another abuse gang

[Willy Nilly]

Eddieslofart said:

Pesty said:

Telford rapist sentenced to 22 years out in 5 apparently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4738892/Gr...

How the fk you only serve a 5 of a 22 stretch is beyond me. !

He will be out on license for the remainder of the 22 years. He will be give a set of rules by the probation office (I think) and if he breaks any of them will be called back to prison. That's my understanding of how it works, anyway.

[Tonberry]

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

[Justayellowbadge]

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

Don't forget the squirrels.

[andymc]

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

thats it, deflect the blame, the long and the short of it is wherever Pakistanis have settled en masse we have large scale child rape

[Transmitter Man]

Am I allowed to say that I personally think there is something fundamentally wrong with the religion of Islam?

Nothing against the Prophet Mo and his wife A'isha bint Abi Bakr (married at 7, consummated at 9) mind.

Phil

[gruffalo]

Transmitter Man said:

Am I allowed to say that I personally think there is something fundamentally wrong with the religion of Islam?

Nothing against the Prophet Mo and his wife A'isha bint Abi Bakr (married at 7, consummated at 9) mind.

Phil

No but the rape gangs seem predominantly to come from Pakistan which in it self has a huge problem with rape as does much of the Indian sub continent.

Not sure in the case of the rape gangs it is Islam that is to blame rather than cultural heritage.

Having said that the Sikh community does not seem to have the same affliction.

Edited by gruffalo on Thursday 10th August 07:39

[voyds9]

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

If I had a stroke it wouldn't mean I didn't care about a heart attack.

[scenario8]

I'm curious and disappointed that the broadcast and print media I've been exposed to this morning mostly seem to have decided their narrative should focus on "our" shared outrage of the use of a paid informant as a part of this recent investigation and to attack the state in its various guises rather than to applaud the convictions and long sentences and to shine a very bright light onto this pervasive and murky business.

Personally I have no interest in focussing on the participants' claimed religion of choice but nor do I care if focussing more energy on these sorts of crimes somehow, bizarrely, upsets members of society who share that religion. Just get on with it.

[del mar]

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

We have though.

The inquiry into child sex abuse mentions all of the above, and the police, Westminster, MPs etc.

However neither it not the minister for safeguarding children can say the words muslim, Islam or Pakistan.

I think this thread started in 2012 and 5 years later outside of us racists and islamaphobes we still can't even say the words.

[Jazzy Jag]

del mar said:

We have though.

The inquiry into child sex abuse mentions all of the above, and the police, Westminster, MPs etc.

However neither it not the minister for safeguarding children can say the words muslim, Islam or Pakistan.

I think this thread started in 2012 and 5 years later outside of us racists and islamaphobes we still can't even say the words.

Oh you are so deplorable.

[del mar]

gruffalo said:

No but the rape gangs seem predominantly to come from Pakistan which in it self has a huge problem with rape as does much of the Indian sub continent.

Not sure in the case of the rape gangs it is Islam that is to blame rather than cultural heritage.

Having said that the Sikh community does not seem to have the same affliction.

Edited by gruffalo on Thursday 10th August 07:39

The article makes reference to several nationalities, it is not just Pakistanis, they are all muslim countries though....
That said Pakistan was the first modern country set up for Islam, due to their inability to separate state and religion I don't see how you can separate the culture from the religion.

[Europa1]

del mar said:

The article makes reference to several nationalities, it is not just Pakistanis, they are all muslim countries though....
That said Pakistan was the first modern country set up for Islam, due to their inability to separate state and religion I don't see how you can separate the culture from the religion.

I suspect an awful lot of Indians might take issue with your statement.

[Digga]

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

I think you will find plenty of opprobrium heaped on those - whether Catholic priests or BBC celebrities - who abuse their positions of power to take advantage of vulnerable individuals. So not sure where you get to the jumping off point for that little rant.

The salient point in these recent, mass-conviction abuse cases is that the shared cultural backgrounds have, for some time, been obfuscated by the establishment because of muddle-headed PC ideals. It is not only wrong, but may even have hindered investigations and perhaps also needlessly endangered individuals where either they or their guardians were not suitably informed of the issue.

scenario8 said:

I'm curious and disappointed that the broadcast and print media I've been exposed to this morning mostly seem to have decided their narrative should focus on "our" shared outrage of the use of a paid informant as a part of this recent investigation and to attack the state in its various guises rather than to applaud the convictions and long sentences and to shine a very bright light onto this pervasive and murky business.

Personally I have no interest in focussing on the participants' claimed religion of choice but nor do I care if focussing more energy on these sorts of crimes somehow, bizarrely, upsets members of society who share that religion. Just get on with it.

I agree totally - to make an omlette, you have to crack eggs and since we're dealing with an imperfect world, we have to deploy the most efficient means.

[WinstonWolf]

James_B said:

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

Why would you jump from Catholicism to white people?

And why, when yet another muslim rape gang has just been convicted of appalling crimes, do you think the right thing to do is to try to divert attention?

Standard I'm afraid, every time one of these gangs are outed you just know someone is going to mention a squirrel rather than discuss the problem.

[Digga]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

TBF, I think you can say similar of a great many people convicted of crime; their mindset is already (and always will be) outside of that which is acceptable to society. There is no rehabilitation possible, where there is neither remorse, nor a genuine desire to change one's ways, less still where there is no recognition of the wrong committed.

Unfortunately, the prison system lacks capacity and, at times, the law (I use the word law in the broadest term to include all; police, courts, judges juries, etc.) either cocks up prosecutions or otherwise applies bafflingly disproportionate sentencing. And that is before we ever consider misplaced PC. With a population growing at 50% in 26 years, prison places should have kept pace.

[Alpinestars]

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

Whilst the majority of child sex abuse in the UK is carried out by white men, gang abuse appears to be generally carried out by British men of Asian origin (generally, but not limited to, Pakistani origin).

There is a racist element that will cling on to these crimes and want to make political capital, let's not overlook that most of the victims are white girls, who I suspect are deliberately targeted because the perpetrators have little regard or respect for white girls - there's a huge amount of racism involved in the crimes.

The sentences in the Newcastle case don't appear to be long enough, unless I'm missing something.

[Digga]

Alpinestars said:

The sentences in the Newcastle case don't appear to be long enough, unless I'm missing something.

I'd agree. One of them - AFAIK only 3 of the 26 have so far been sentenced - got just 7 years for being convicted of "sexual activity with a child, supplying drugs to a victim". Another, just two years for "beating, possession of drugs".

Even though the courts hands are often tied, it does seem lenient give then overall circumstances - the collective enterprise - but then, perhaps, those already sentenced may have got 'deals' because of information provided on others yet to be sentenced?

[Tonberry]

Alpinestars said:

Whilst the majority of child sex abuse in the UK is carried out by white men, gang abuse appears to be generally carried out by British men of Asian origin (generally, but not limited to, Pakistani origin).

There is a racist element that will cling on to these crimes and want to make political capital, let's not overlook that most of the victims are white girls, who I suspect are deliberately targeted because the perpetrators have little regard or respect for white girls - there's a huge amount of racism involved in the crimes.

The sentences in the Newcastle case don't appear to be long enough, unless I'm missing something.

And this is my point. It is deeply unfair and also damaging to attempt to link minority groups as the sole perpetrators of negative and/or criminal behaviour whilst overlooking or failing to draw enough emphasis on the fact that these behaviours are actually pravalent within all sections of society, regardless of ethnic group or religious persuasion.

To do so suggests an attempt to create a narative for certain sections of society which other groups with an agenda then exploit for their own gain. This in itself will do nothing except to further marginalise people and perpetuate the "us and them mentality". Britain First and the like take great pleasure in protesting outside Mosques and harassing Imaans in the street but I've never seen them confront a member of the Clergy.

I think we're all agreed that we as a society should be concentrating on the prevention of these crimes, wherever they pervade. If these crimes follow a pattern, e.g. choice of victim, then it should be highlighted and explored. I don't think anyone would see an issue there. But I can see why asian men who just so happen to be Muslim take offence to finding themselves under the suspicion of society when white men who are just as likely to offend don't carry the same baggage.

I know a fair few Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi men and woman, and I can tell you, they're all perfectly normal people and find these crimes just as abhorrent.

[PotatoSalad]

Tonberry said:

With the prevalence of paedophilia within the Catholic Church and it seemingly rife within football, you would think the public would be coming out en mass to denounce white men for this issue which is clearly blighting their community.

Oh, that's right. They're the right colour / religion.

Any sex scandal in the Catholic church is clearly called that on the news.

Hardly ever a sex scandal involving a gang of Muslims mentions the word Islam. Just like this time. It's always some vaguely named "abuse gang" of "minority background individuals".

Go away being ignorant somewhere else.

Edited by PotatoSalad on Thursday 10th August 13:19

[WinstonWolf]

Tonberry said:

Alpinestars said:

Whilst the majority of child sex abuse in the UK is carried out by white men, gang abuse appears to be generally carried out by British men of Asian origin (generally, but not limited to, Pakistani origin).

There is a racist element that will cling on to these crimes and want to make political capital, let's not overlook that most of the victims are white girls, who I suspect are deliberately targeted because the perpetrators have little regard or respect for white girls - there's a huge amount of racism involved in the crimes.

The sentences in the Newcastle case don't appear to be long enough, unless I'm missing something.

And this is my point. It is deeply unfair and also damaging to attempt to link minority groups as the sole perpetrators of negative and/or criminal behaviour whilst overlooking or failing to draw enough emphasis on the fact that these behaviours are actually pravalent within all sections of society, regardless of ethnic group or religious persuasion.

To do so suggests an attempt to create a narative for certain sections of society which other groups with an agenda then exploit for their own gain. This in itself will do nothing except to further marginalise people and perpetuate the "us and them mentality". Britain First and the like take great pleasure in protesting outside Mosques and harassing Imaans in the street but I've never seen them confront a member of the Clergy.

I think we're all agreed that we as a society should be concentrating on the prevention of these crimes, wherever they pervade. If these crimes follow a pattern, e.g. choice of victim, then it should be highlighted and explored. I don't think anyone would see an issue there. But I can see why asian men who just so happen to be Muslim take offence to finding themselves under the suspicion of society when white men who are just as likely to offend don't carry the same baggage.

I know a fair few Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi men and woman, and I can tell you, they're all perfectly normal people and find these crimes just as abhorrent.

But why are Pakistani's so over-represented?

Us whites have absolutely no problem denouncing rapists yet the Pakistani community appears to try and brush the problem under the carpet. That needs to change...