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rscott said:
Heard that too - thought it was very good interview with many decent points (including the one you mentioned).
What wasn't discussed was origin of the "honour code" - whether it was religious only (as some here seem to think) or a cultural issue as well/instead.
If said code is not based on religion then do you know of any Islamic country where it does not exist?What wasn't discussed was origin of the "honour code" - whether it was religious only (as some here seem to think) or a cultural issue as well/instead.
Serious question.
Phil
[quote=Alpinestars]
Wasn't aimed at you specifically. But I disagree with your analysis. There's no proof for it, and it's a touch misguided. Mohammed was a man, regardless of whether he is seen as a prophet. If he existed, he lived in the 5th century in the ME somewhere. I doubt marrying a 9 year old was exceptional at the time.
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It still goes on I believe, Yemen, Afghanistan, two Islamic countries.
Phil
Wasn't aimed at you specifically. But I disagree with your analysis. There's no proof for it, and it's a touch misguided. Mohammed was a man, regardless of whether he is seen as a prophet. If he existed, he lived in the 5th century in the ME somewhere. I doubt marrying a 9 year old was exceptional at the time.
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It still goes on I believe, Yemen, Afghanistan, two Islamic countries.
Phil
turbomoped said:
This does look like a case of reeling them all in gradually.
This latest case had been in the courts, but under a press embargo, since 2015. The operation (Sanctuary) in the Newcastle is are ongoing and there will undoutbedly be similar in other areas too. There are almost certain to be more cases coming through the legal system as well as under current investigation. It really is an epidemic, but at least the authorities appear to be tackling it head-on and with full force now.Transmitter Man said:
Alpinestars said:
Wasn't aimed at you specifically. But I disagree with your analysis. There's no proof for it, and it's a touch misguided. Mohammed was a man, regardless of whether he is seen as a prophet. If he existed, he lived in the 5th century in the ME somewhere. I doubt marrying a 9 year old was exceptional at the time.
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It still goes on I believe, Yemen, Afghanistan, two Islamic countries.
Phil
Also in the US - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/2...____________
It still goes on I believe, Yemen, Afghanistan, two Islamic countries.
Phil
PotatoSalad said:
I find it really astonishing and frightening how some people claim that worshipping an elderly warmonger shagging his prepubescent wife has absolutely no impact on his followers' attitude towards women and try to divert the attention away from this issue.
What's next? Defending nazi ideology because their leader's actions don't speak for the whole community? After all not all of them kill jews and disabled people.
It's more frightening that ignorant people who clearly have an agenda, who join PH to further that agenda, hold beliefs without any evidence. Don't you think?What's next? Defending nazi ideology because their leader's actions don't speak for the whole community? After all not all of them kill jews and disabled people.
anonymous said:
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No, they tend to do it at "home". Although I think one of the Newcastle lot was Hindu wasn't he? But none of that is proof of it being a Muslim issue. Pakistani, perhaps. Muslim, no. The fact it's prevalent in the country which has the world's biggest Hindu population also doesn't make it a Hindu problem. Or do you think it does?
andymc said:
why was there a press embargo?
On Radio 5 Live - "...didn't want to upset the community of a particular faith" and "young white girls were targeted as the community would not let them get away with it if they were to target young Muslim girls."ie. The particular community knew damned well what was going on. - as long as it wasn't one of their own - they turned a blind eye.
Troubleatmill said:
andymc said:
why was there a press embargo?
On Radio 5 Live - "...didn't want to upset the community of a particular faith" and "young white girls were targeted as the community would not let them get away with it if they were to target young Muslim girls."ie. The particular community knew damned well what was going on. - as long as it wasn't one of their own - they turned a blind eye.
Digga said:
turbomoped said:
This does look like a case of reeling them all in gradually.
This latest case had been in the courts, but under a press embargo, since 2015. The operation (Sanctuary) in the Newcastle is are ongoing and there will undoutbedly be similar in other areas too. There are almost certain to be more cases coming through the legal system as well as under current investigation. It really is an epidemic, but at least the authorities appear to be tackling it head-on and with full force now.Alpinestars said:
PotatoSalad said:
I find it really astonishing and frightening how some people claim that worshipping an elderly warmonger shagging his prepubescent wife has absolutely no impact on his followers' attitude towards women and try to divert the attention away from this issue.
What's next? Defending nazi ideology because their leader's actions don't speak for the whole community? After all not all of them kill jews and disabled people.
It's more frightening that ignorant people who clearly have an agenda, who join PH to further that agenda, hold beliefs without any evidence. Don't you think?What's next? Defending nazi ideology because their leader's actions don't speak for the whole community? After all not all of them kill jews and disabled people.
The evidence is clear - islamic countries are s
tholes full of racist, sexist bigots more often than white, Christian countries. 15% of the British prisoners are Muslims, compared to only 5% in the society. All recent terrorist attacks in Europe were carried by Muslims. Not Sikhs, Chinese immigrants, Jews, Estonians or the Flying Spahgetti Monster followers. Women are banned from driving and voting in Islamic countries, not Sweden. Homosexuality is illegal in Islamic countries, not Scotland. Arranged marriages in Britain are common among the Muslim community, not Hindu, Thai or Polish. Female Female genital mutilations in Britain is not an issue with Romanians in Britain.What is your evidence against this, apart from whining and changing the subject?
Just or principally Pakistani makes no differenve, just as everything that is wrong in Islam is Saudi arabias fault. Grooming is a Pakistani problem.
The Indian sub continent argument is weaker than the fgm one. It is an Indian sub continent cultural issue expect when it occurs outside India when it is mainly a muslim one.
Where are the Sikh and Hindu grooming gangs ? The Sikh community raised concerns in Rotherham years ago presumably as they had seen it happen in India ?
If we were Dutch we would be blaming Moroccan immigrants, which is not in the Indian sub continent, neither are all the other countries mentioned in this thread.
But rather than say anything bad about Islam we will go back to the particular village in Kashmir where these people originated from.
The Indian sub continent argument is weaker than the fgm one. It is an Indian sub continent cultural issue expect when it occurs outside India when it is mainly a muslim one.
Where are the Sikh and Hindu grooming gangs ? The Sikh community raised concerns in Rotherham years ago presumably as they had seen it happen in India ?
If we were Dutch we would be blaming Moroccan immigrants, which is not in the Indian sub continent, neither are all the other countries mentioned in this thread.
But rather than say anything bad about Islam we will go back to the particular village in Kashmir where these people originated from.
PotatoSalad said:
Alpinestars said:
PotatoSalad said:
I find it really astonishing and frightening how some people claim that worshipping an elderly warmonger shagging his prepubescent wife has absolutely no impact on his followers' attitude towards women and try to divert the attention away from this issue.
What's next? Defending nazi ideology because their leader's actions don't speak for the whole community? After all not all of them kill jews and disabled people.
It's more frightening that ignorant people who clearly have an agenda, who join PH to further that agenda, hold beliefs without any evidence. Don't you think?What's next? Defending nazi ideology because their leader's actions don't speak for the whole community? After all not all of them kill jews and disabled people.
The evidence is clear - islamic countries are s
tholes full of racist, sexist bigots more often than white, Christian countries. 15% of the British prisoners are Muslims, compared to only 5% in the society. All recent terrorist attacks in Europe were carried by Muslims. Not Sikhs, Chinese immigrants, Jews, Estonians or the Flying Spahgetti Monster followers. Women are banned from driving and voting in Islamic countries, not Sweden. Homosexuality is illegal in Islamic countries, not Scotland. Arranged marriages in Britain are common among the Muslim community, not Hindu, Thai or Polish. Female Female genital mutilations in Britain is not an issue with Romanians in Britain.What is your evidence against this, apart from whining and changing the subject?
Alpinestars said:
PotatoSalad said:
Alpinestars said:
PotatoSalad said:
I find it really astonishing and frightening how some people claim that worshipping an elderly warmonger shagging his prepubescent wife has absolutely no impact on his followers' attitude towards women and try to divert the attention away from this issue.
What's next? Defending nazi ideology because their leader's actions don't speak for the whole community? After all not all of them kill jews and disabled people.
It's more frightening that ignorant people who clearly have an agenda, who join PH to further that agenda, hold beliefs without any evidence. Don't you think?What's next? Defending nazi ideology because their leader's actions don't speak for the whole community? After all not all of them kill jews and disabled people.
The evidence is clear - islamic countries are s
tholes full of racist, sexist bigots more often than white, Christian countries. 15% of the British prisoners are Muslims, compared to only 5% in the society. All recent terrorist attacks in Europe were carried by Muslims. Not Sikhs, Chinese immigrants, Jews, Estonians or the Flying Spahgetti Monster followers. Women are banned from driving and voting in Islamic countries, not Sweden. Homosexuality is illegal in Islamic countries, not Scotland. Arranged marriages in Britain are common among the Muslim community, not Hindu, Thai or Polish. Female Female genital mutilations in Britain is not an issue with Romanians in Britain.What is your evidence against this, apart from whining and changing the subject?
del mar said:
Just or principally Pakistani makes no differenve, just as everything that is wrong in Islam is Saudi arabias fault. Grooming is a Pakistani problem.
The Indian sub continent argument is weaker than the fgm one. It is an Indian sub continent cultural issue expect when it occurs outside India when it is mainly a muslim one.
Where are the Sikh and Hindu grooming gangs ? The Sikh community raised concerns in Rotherham years ago presumably as they had seen it happen in India ?
If we were Dutch we would be blaming Moroccan immigrants, which is not in the Indian sub continent, neither are all the other countries mentioned in this thread.
But rather than say anything bad about Islam we will go back to the particular village in Kashmir where these people originated from.
Took me a while to understand your points. Better English please. The Indian sub continent argument is weaker than the fgm one. It is an Indian sub continent cultural issue expect when it occurs outside India when it is mainly a muslim one.
Where are the Sikh and Hindu grooming gangs ? The Sikh community raised concerns in Rotherham years ago presumably as they had seen it happen in India ?
If we were Dutch we would be blaming Moroccan immigrants, which is not in the Indian sub continent, neither are all the other countries mentioned in this thread.
But rather than say anything bad about Islam we will go back to the particular village in Kashmir where these people originated from.
But if I follow, you think it's a Pakistani and perhaps Kashmiri problem in the UK, you accept it happens in the Indian sub continent, so by definition isn't a Muslim problem there, and you have no evidence it's a Muslim problem in the UK but you still want to play the Islam card?
del mar said:
Just or principally Pakistani makes no differenve, just as everything that is wrong in Islam is Saudi arabias fault. Grooming is a Pakistani problem.
The Indian sub continent argument is weaker than the fgm one. It is an Indian sub continent cultural issue expect when it occurs outside India when it is mainly a muslim one.
Where are the Sikh and Hindu grooming gangs ? The Sikh community raised concerns in Rotherham years ago presumably as they had seen it happen in India ?
If we were Dutch we would be blaming Moroccan immigrants, which is not in the Indian sub continent, neither are all the other countries mentioned in this thread.
But rather than say anything bad about Islam we will go back to the particular village in Kashmir where these people originated from.
Took me a while to understand your points. Better English please. The Indian sub continent argument is weaker than the fgm one. It is an Indian sub continent cultural issue expect when it occurs outside India when it is mainly a muslim one.
Where are the Sikh and Hindu grooming gangs ? The Sikh community raised concerns in Rotherham years ago presumably as they had seen it happen in India ?
If we were Dutch we would be blaming Moroccan immigrants, which is not in the Indian sub continent, neither are all the other countries mentioned in this thread.
But rather than say anything bad about Islam we will go back to the particular village in Kashmir where these people originated from.
But if I follow, you think it's a Pakistani and perhaps Kashmiri problem in the UK, you accept it happens in the Indian sub continent, so by definition isn't a Muslim problem there, and you have no evidence it's a Muslim problem in the UK but you still want to play the Islam card?
And by the way, I'm not sure who you think is defending Islam, people are asking what evidence you have for the conflation.
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