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Countdown said:
Troubleatmill said:
Don't take my word for the 84%. Quilliam Foundation - British Asians - came up with it. Read their report.
This is a grooming gang thread.
What you need is start some threads on Catholic Priests, Scoutmasters, Care Home Workers and Radio 1 DJ's and I will happily contribute.
Sound fair?
I didn't doubt what you said about the 84% figure. i was asking if you knew what the stats were for the other types of CSE.This is a grooming gang thread.
What you need is start some threads on Catholic Priests, Scoutmasters, Care Home Workers and Radio 1 DJ's and I will happily contribute.
Sound fair?
Does what was done by catholic priests or scoutmasters not relate to grooming? I'm happy to contribute to any threads about them but they don't seem to gain as much traction on PH, or certainly their ethnic background doesn't. Possibly because people don't see it as relevant.
Can't recall a thread on Scoutmasters on here. But there have been a few about the Catholic Church and Priests. I have been quite vocal on those.
But - start some threads - and get the ball rolling.
Troubleatmill said:
The threat has the word "gang". .
AIUI the vast majority of them weren't in any "gang" as such. they simply shared the same occupation (taxi drivers seemed quite common) so they're as much a gang as Catholic priests or scoutmasters or DJs/celebrities.Pedantry aside, it doesn't really matter what the occupation was, or even what the ethnicity was. As I'm sure we all agree, they deserve locking up for a long time.
Troubleatmill said:
Alpinestars said:
Troubleatmill said:
Alpinestars said:
Troubleatmill said:
Yes I do. I cannot make it clearer - Scum is scum.
Just because you make insinuations that I don't - doesn't make it true.
Now go forth white knight- and deflect criticism against the 84% of Grooming Gangs that are drugging and raping the good children of the UK.
What’s the demographic for the other abusers I highlighted? I’m sure you have the percentage at your fingertips as you’re such a white knight for victims of sexual abuse. Just because you make insinuations that I don't - doesn't make it true.
Now go forth white knight- and deflect criticism against the 84% of Grooming Gangs that are drugging and raping the good children of the UK.
And if you remember - when you callout the the Welsh? Brother, sister and friend child abusers - I called them scum.
The difference between you and me - is you are in denial that there is an issue in your communities own back yard.
You try to deflect every single piece of criticism.
At least the Quillian authors had to courage to state there is an issue.
And so it is really clear. SCUM IS SCUM.
It is just 84% are carried out by a certain demographic - you get to see that more.
Abuse is abuse - and whoever carries it out is scum.
Am I clear?
Now, stats, do you have those other stats at you let fingertips? Being a white knight and all that. Or do those stats not bother you?
Troubleatmill said:
The threat has the word "gang".
Can't recall a thread on Scoutmasters on here. But there have been a few about the Catholic Church and Priests. I have been quite vocal on those.
But - start some threads - and get the ball rolling.
Oh dear. Maybe not such a white knight after all. Can't recall a thread on Scoutmasters on here. But there have been a few about the Catholic Church and Priests. I have been quite vocal on those.
But - start some threads - and get the ball rolling.
Troubleatmill said:
Alpinestars said:
Oh dear. Maybe not such a white knight after all.
I'm not trying to protect any member of society fella. You are
Regardless of any other individuals or groups offending, there are clearly serious, disportionate offending patterns within some Asian communities that need dealing with. Not being direct and clear with that fact was one of the things that resulted in the large-scale, unchallenged offending in Rotherham and other areas.
La Liga said:
Regardless of any other individuals or groups offending, there are clearly serious, disportionate offending patterns within some Asian communities that need dealing with. Not being direct and clear with that fact was one of the things that resulted in the large-scale, unchallenged offending in Rotherham and other areas.
I can't see why you preface if with regardless. We should have regard to all pardophilia and sexual abuse. Wow, 84% of all gang grooming offences in the UK as a whole? The Asian community as only a fraction of yhe UK population carrying out 84% of them? What is that extrapolated over the UK adult population? - A helluva lot percent I’d imagine?
Absolute Kudos to the author of that report, took real bravery. Let’s hope this educational piece gets widely briefed to the target communities and this helps to prevent these atrocities any more.
Absolute Kudos to the author of that report, took real bravery. Let’s hope this educational piece gets widely briefed to the target communities and this helps to prevent these atrocities any more.
Alpinestars said:
La Liga said:
Regardless of any other individuals or groups offending, there are clearly serious, disportionate offending patterns within some Asian communities that need dealing with. Not being direct and clear with that fact was one of the things that resulted in the large-scale, unchallenged offending in Rotherham and other areas.
I can't see why you preface if with regardless. We should have regard to all pardophilia and sexual abuse. Highlighting that others commit sexual offences doesn’t help address the unequal approach to addressing ‘Asian’ sexual offending we’ve seen over recent years.
La Liga said:
Alpinestars said:
La Liga said:
Regardless of any other individuals or groups offending, there are clearly serious, disportionate offending patterns within some Asian communities that need dealing with. Not being direct and clear with that fact was one of the things that resulted in the large-scale, unchallenged offending in Rotherham and other areas.
I can't see why you preface if with regardless. We should have regard to all pardophilia and sexual abuse. Highlighting that others commit sexual offences doesn’t help address the unequal approach to addressing ‘Asian’ sexual offending we’ve seen over recent years.
Alpinestars said:
La Liga said:
Alpinestars said:
La Liga said:
Regardless of any other individuals or groups offending, there are clearly serious, disportionate offending patterns within some Asian communities that need dealing with. Not being direct and clear with that fact was one of the things that resulted in the large-scale, unchallenged offending in Rotherham and other areas.
I can't see why you preface if with regardless. We should have regard to all pardophilia and sexual abuse. Highlighting that others commit sexual offences doesn’t help address the unequal approach to addressing ‘Asian’ sexual offending we’ve seen over recent years.
ReallyReallyGood said:
100% are human, what’s your point?
Irrelevant. 100% of dangerous dogs are dogs...My 'point' is that anyone arguing that an 84% representation of a certain demographic in cases of abuse is significant - which it clearly is - must also consider why men are so over represented too. And if these same people want 'something to be done' about the 84% group they must also want something to be done about the 95-99% one.
The fact that men are over represented in terms of sex crime does not mean that this "phenomonen" doesn't warrant specific and independent attention. I think it dangerous to think along those lines.
Firstly, these crimes are being perpetrated by large gangs of specific origin, against girls who are not of their own culture. That in itself adds a new dimension.
Secondly, the burying of what was going on in Rotherham makes this different. As a whole I would argue that sexual crimes are investigated as the law allows, yet here we have avoidance by the authorities along cultural lines.
And can we please stop using the term Asian. That are predominantly Pakistani Muslim. Simple fact.
Firstly, these crimes are being perpetrated by large gangs of specific origin, against girls who are not of their own culture. That in itself adds a new dimension.
Secondly, the burying of what was going on in Rotherham makes this different. As a whole I would argue that sexual crimes are investigated as the law allows, yet here we have avoidance by the authorities along cultural lines.
And can we please stop using the term Asian. That are predominantly Pakistani Muslim. Simple fact.
WinkleHoff said:
The fact that men are over represented in terms of sex crime does not mean that this "phenomonen" doesn't warrant specific and independent attention. I think it dangerous to think along those lines.
Firstly, these crimes are being perpetrated by large gangs of specific origin, against girls who are not of their own culture. That in itself adds a new dimension.
Secondly, the burying of what was going on in Rotherham makes this different. As a whole I would argue that sexual crimes are investigated as the law allows, yet here we have avoidance by the authorities along cultural lines.
And can we please stop using the term Asian. That are predominantly Pakistani Muslim. Simple fact.
You're right with your first statement. Firstly, these crimes are being perpetrated by large gangs of specific origin, against girls who are not of their own culture. That in itself adds a new dimension.
Secondly, the burying of what was going on in Rotherham makes this different. As a whole I would argue that sexual crimes are investigated as the law allows, yet here we have avoidance by the authorities along cultural lines.
And can we please stop using the term Asian. That are predominantly Pakistani Muslim. Simple fact.
But it shouldn't detract from all the other pariahs.
Can you add British to your last statement as well. That would be factually more accurate.
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