another abuse gang

[richie99]

Countdown said:

AIUI the vast majority of them weren't in any "gang" as such. they simply shared the same occupation (taxi drivers seemed quite common) so they're as much a gang as Catholic priests or scoutmasters or DJs/celebrities.

Pedantry aside, it doesn't really matter what the occupation was, or even what the ethnicity was. As I'm sure we all agree, they deserve locking up for a long time.

That is not right. They were clearly a gang, organising themselves collectively to identify, recruit, groom and then rape their victims. AIUI they had ‘parties’ where they passed the girls around. They are gangs by any definition.

I would suggest that Priests, scoutmasters, were acting alone.

[Alpinestars]

richie99 said:

Countdown said:

AIUI the vast majority of them weren't in any "gang" as such. they simply shared the same occupation (taxi drivers seemed quite common) so they're as much a gang as Catholic priests or scoutmasters or DJs/celebrities.

Pedantry aside, it doesn't really matter what the occupation was, or even what the ethnicity was. As I'm sure we all agree, they deserve locking up for a long time.

That is not right. They were clearly a gang, organising themselves collectively to identify, recruit, groom and then rape their victims. AIUI they had ‘parties’ where they passed the girls around. They are gangs by any definition.

I would suggest that Priests, scoutmasters, were acting alone.

I'd agree that they were acting in gangs. Other coordinated sexual abuse/paedophilia is conducted by people on the net. But I'm not sure they ever meet each other?

[Troubleatmill]

Alpinestars said:

And a huge paedophile problem in Britain. Have you missed out on the recent cases? Wherever you look, there's endemic problems with male sexual abuse. It's not the preserve of any one culture/country/religion/any other arbitrary sub classification you want to insert. MO varies, I'll give you that.

You might want to read this.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/child-sexual-abuse-top-5-...

Edited by Alpinestars on Sunday 25th February 22:22

This warrants it's own thread.

[Alpinestars]

Troubleatmill said:

Alpinestars said:

And a huge paedophile problem in Britain. Have you missed out on the recent cases? Wherever you look, there's endemic problems with male sexual abuse. It's not the preserve of any one culture/country/religion/any other arbitrary sub classification you want to insert. MO varies, I'll give you that.

You might want to read this.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/child-sexual-abuse-top-5-...

Edited by Alpinestars on Sunday 25th February 22:22

This warrants it's own thread.

And I'd put money on you and some others on this thread turning a blind eye.

Found those stats yet? I'll help you - more sober reading.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we...

[Troubleatmill]

Alpinestars said:

Troubleatmill said:

Alpinestars said:

And a huge paedophile problem in Britain. Have you missed out on the recent cases? Wherever you look, there's endemic problems with male sexual abuse. It's not the preserve of any one culture/country/religion/any other arbitrary sub classification you want to insert. MO varies, I'll give you that.

You might want to read this.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/child-sexual-abuse-top-5-...

Edited by Alpinestars on Sunday 25th February 22:22

This warrants it's own thread.

And I'd put money on you and some others on this thread turning a blind eye.

Found those stats yet? I'll help you - more sober reading.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we...

You really have a chip on your shoulder about this.

The 84% - came from British Muslim - Quillian Foundation.
As I haven't come up with any stats - Just reported what they said - it is very odd you are prodding me to do so.

If you are so inclined - phone them up. I'm sure the authors will be happy to help you.


I have agreed with you in the past on Type 2. So it is rather odd you attacking me on it.

And you seem to have a rather dim view on some things - even when people agree with you.

Can you understand that Type 1 and Type 2 are SCUM.

What else can I say that it sticks with you?

[Alpinestars]

Troubleatmill said:

Alpinestars said:

Troubleatmill said:

Alpinestars said:

And a huge paedophile problem in Britain. Have you missed out on the recent cases? Wherever you look, there's endemic problems with male sexual abuse. It's not the preserve of any one culture/country/religion/any other arbitrary sub classification you want to insert. MO varies, I'll give you that.

You might want to read this.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/child-sexual-abuse-top-5-...

Edited by Alpinestars on Sunday 25th February 22:22

This warrants it's own thread.

And I'd put money on you and some others on this thread turning a blind eye.

Found those stats yet? I'll help you - more sober reading.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we...

You really have a chip on your shoulder about this.

The 84% - came from British Muslim - Quillian Foundation.
As I haven't come up with any stats - Just reported what they said - it is very odd you are prodding me to do so.

If you are so inclined - phone them up. I'm sure the authors will be happy to help you.


I have agreed with you in the past on Type 2. So it is rather odd you attacking me on it.

And you seem to have a rather dim view on some things - even when people agree with you.

Can you understand that Type 1 and Type 2 are SCUM.

What else can I say that it sticks with you?

100% of type 2 is committed by white males. 100%. Do you understand that?type 2 is the most common type of paedophilia in Britain. Do you understand that too?

Britain is in the top 10 countries for incidence of paedophilia.

We have a problem with paedophilia. Understand? So take those blinkers off, and accept that paedophilia is a huge issue, and not just an Asian issue. Once you start admitting that, we can have a sensible debate.

[Troubleatmill]

You really don't see when someone is agreeing with you violently do you?

[Alpinestars]

Troubleatmill said:

You really don't see when someone is agreeing with you violently do you?

You're really not violently agreeing though are you. You are in the weeds when it comes to Asian gangs, but far more passive about white paedophiles. Eg, you keep banging on about the 84% number, but I'll bet you had no idea about the 100% number did you? You're not really demonstrating a balanced view, Why is that?

[Troubleatmill]

Alpinestars said:

Troubleatmill said:

You really don't see when someone is agreeing with you violently do you?

You're really not violently agreeing though are you. You are in the weeds when it comes to Asian gangs, but far more passive about white paedophiles. Eg, you keep banging on about the 84% number, but I'll bet you had no idea about the 100% number did you? You're not really demonstrating a balanced view, Why is that?

We have covered this in the past - and I am really agreeing with you.

Will a smiley help?

[Troubleatmill]

Alpinestars said:

Troubleatmill said:

Alpinestars said:

Troubleatmill said:

You really don't see when someone is agreeing with you violently do you?

You're really not violently agreeing though are you. You are in the weeds when it comes to Asian gangs, but far more passive about white paedophiles. Eg, you keep banging on about the 84% number, but I'll bet you had no idea about the 100% number did you? You're not really demonstrating a balanced view, Why is that?

We have covered this in the past - and I am really agreeing with you.

Will a smiley help?

It's really rather amusing watching you squirm and being so disingenuous. Will a smiley help you .

I'm out.
I was (and still do) agree you sir. But - there is nothing I can say to change your mind.

No point in wasting both our time.

Enjoy your evening

[Alpinestars]

Troubleatmill said:

Alpinestars said:

Troubleatmill said:

You really don't see when someone is agreeing with you violently do you?

You're really not violently agreeing though are you. You are in the weeds when it comes to Asian gangs, but far more passive about white paedophiles. Eg, you keep banging on about the 84% number, but I'll bet you had no idea about the 100% number did you? You're not really demonstrating a balanced view, Why is that?

We have covered this in the past - and I am really agreeing with you.

Will a smiley help?

Would I be right in saying that you've not once posted about sexual abuse in at least the last 3 months, other than on this thread? Despite the recent high profile cases and reporting eg, Hollywood, Matthew Falder, Worboys, Barry Bennell, charities etc.

It's really rather amusing watching you squirm and being so disingenuous. Will a smiley help you .

[Alpinestars]

Troubleatmill said:

Alpinestars said:

Troubleatmill said:

Alpinestars said:

Troubleatmill said:

You really don't see when someone is agreeing with you violently do you?

You're really not violently agreeing though are you. You are in the weeds when it comes to Asian gangs, but far more passive about white paedophiles. Eg, you keep banging on about the 84% number, but I'll bet you had no idea about the 100% number did you? You're not really demonstrating a balanced view, Why is that?

We have covered this in the past - and I am really agreeing with you.

Will a smiley help?

It's really rather amusing watching you squirm and being so disingenuous. Will a smiley help you .

I'm out.
I was (and still do) agree you sir. But - there is nothing I can say to change your mind.

No point in wasting both our time.

Enjoy your evening

Don't worry, I enjoy pointing out the discrepancies in your "thought" processes. Here have a x as well.

[Troubleatmill]

Alpinestars said:

Would I be right in saying that you've not once posted about sexual abuse in at least the last 3 months, other than on this thread?

Actually - you are incorrect.

But never mind. Goodnight.

Kisses.

[Alpinestars]

Troubleatmill said:

Alpinestars said:

Would I be right in saying that you've not once posted about sexual abuse in at least the last 3 months, other than on this thread?

Actually - you are incorrect.

But never mind. Goodnight.

Kisses.

Enlighten me with the link.

[Mr2Mike]

Alpinestars said:

And a huge paedophile problem in Britain. Have you missed out on the recent cases?

Did you not see the word "also" in my post, or did you not understand it's significance?

Why are you trying your hardest to deflect attention from this specific cultural problem which is what the thread was about? Attitudes like yours caused the Rotherham travesty.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Monday 26th February 08:21

[Alpinestars]

Mr2Mike said:

Alpinestars said:

And a huge paedophile problem in Britain. Have you missed out on the recent cases?

Did you not see the word "also" in my post, or did you not understand it's significance?

Why are you trying your hardest to deflect attention from this specific cultural problem which is what the thread was about? Attitudes like yours caused the Rotherham travesty.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Monday 26th February 08:21

Did you not understand then word AND in my post. It’s accurate to say that of the reported gang sexual abuse, a large proportion are Pakistani, Muslim, British. Why do you have an issue with that?

[Mr2Mike]

Alpinestars said:

Did you not understand then word AND in my post. It’s accurate to say that of the reported gang sexual abuse, a large proportion are Pakistani, Muslim, British. Why do you have an issue with that?

I have an issue with the way you are trying to manipulate the story to suggest that the problem in the Pakistani community isn't significant.

[del mar]

All tax evasion is an issue, but if all aggressive overseas tax evasion was carried almost entirely by a small group of TV presenters, would you be supportive of;

A little greater scrutiny / questioning of this group.
The ability for Politicians to openly discuss and question this in parliament.
For all public enquiries into tax evasion to be able to mention this.

or

All tax evasion is an issue..
It is wrong to single out TV presenters.
It is career suicide for any Politician to try to talk about TV presenters.
We will ignore this for years and take a very gently gently approach so as not upset the finely tuned balance of TV presenters and the rest of the population.

Nobody is suggesting we stop investigating all tax evasion, but this anomaly does appear to very very unusual / specific to TV presenters. The rest of the population still try to evade taxation but we can talk about them.

If you are in the second category, can I pretend I am a TV presenter and employ your services next Jan ?

[Alpinestars]

Mr2Mike said:

Alpinestars said:

Did you not understand then word AND in my post. It’s accurate to say that of the reported gang sexual abuse, a large proportion are Pakistani, Muslim, British. Why do you have an issue with that?

I have an issue with the way you are trying to manipulate the story to suggest that the problem in the Pakistani community isn't significant.

Where did I say that?

Why do you have a problem with them being described as British?

Edited by Alpinestars on Monday 26th February 21:52

[Alpinestars]

del mar said:

All tax evasion is an issue, but if all aggressive overseas tax evasion was carried almost entirely by a small group of TV presenters, would you be supportive of;

A little greater scrutiny / questioning of this group.
The ability for Politicians to openly discuss and question this in parliament.
For all public enquiries into tax evasion to be able to mention this.

or

All tax evasion is an issue..
It is wrong to single out TV presenters.
It is career suicide for any Politician to try to talk about TV presenters.
We will ignore this for years and take a very gently gently approach so as not upset the finely tuned balance of TV presenters and the rest of the population.

Nobody is suggesting we stop investigating all tax evasion, but this anomaly does appear to very very unusual / specific to TV presenters. The rest of the population still try to evade taxation but we can talk about them.

If you are in the second category, can I pretend I am a TV presenter and employ your services next Jan ?

You really couldn't afford my services Del Boy .