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Alpinestars said:
Try reading what's been posted. No deflection, no excuses. It's harrowing.
But don't kid yourself it's the only sexual abuse that goes on. If you want concentration of numbers, sexual abuse of pre pubescent children is carried out pretty much exclusively by white males, and is far more prevalent, with far more victims. Hopefully you're just as empathetic and outraged about that.
More deflection.But don't kid yourself it's the only sexual abuse that goes on. If you want concentration of numbers, sexual abuse of pre pubescent children is carried out pretty much exclusively by white males, and is far more prevalent, with far more victims. Hopefully you're just as empathetic and outraged about that.
jshell said:
To me, the difference that you and Alpinestars have missed is the level of abuse carried out by these Pakistanis from a small area of that country. You both try to bring balance to the discussion by constantly mentioning other groups of abusers. Well, in my mind, there is a SIGNIFICANT difference here that pushes the Pakistani abusers above the others.
Having read the harrowing accounts of the Rotherham case, the level of organisation, the sheer numbers of victims, the level of physical and verbal abuse was beyond anything else I've heard of or read. The cigarette burns, the kickings, the beatings, the being pissed on, the forced drugging and dragging of young, vulnerable teenagers from house to house by taxi to be raped, raped again and then raped again together with the degradation of defacation. The witnessed queues outside houses for old men to repeatedly rape and scar these young girls. The not only failure to acknowledge the crimes, but to justify the abuse on race grounds. Calling them trash and prostitues because they happen to be white and vulnerable, so it's their faults. The howls of 'not fair, they're just kaffirs' in court by those that feel justified to treat those young girls as for use, abuse and disposal. Not to mention the collusion of the authorities to turn a blind eye due to the race issue.
THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.
At the risk of repeating myself - what difference does it make that the perpetrators were Pakistanis? I don't disagree that the crimes were extremely vile. I would love for the offenders to be castrated quite frankly. What i don't understand is the desperate need on here to focus on the ethnicity of the scum that did it. I can take a guess in some cases but I'd like to see what the rationale is for focusing on the "Pakistani" element.Having read the harrowing accounts of the Rotherham case, the level of organisation, the sheer numbers of victims, the level of physical and verbal abuse was beyond anything else I've heard of or read. The cigarette burns, the kickings, the beatings, the being pissed on, the forced drugging and dragging of young, vulnerable teenagers from house to house by taxi to be raped, raped again and then raped again together with the degradation of defacation. The witnessed queues outside houses for old men to repeatedly rape and scar these young girls. The not only failure to acknowledge the crimes, but to justify the abuse on race grounds. Calling them trash and prostitues because they happen to be white and vulnerable, so it's their faults. The howls of 'not fair, they're just kaffirs' in court by those that feel justified to treat those young girls as for use, abuse and disposal. Not to mention the collusion of the authorities to turn a blind eye due to the race issue.
THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.
Does that somehow make it better/worse? Should they receive a different sentence to somebody who committed the same crime but isn't Pakistani?
Alpinestars said:
If you want concentration of numbers, sexual abuse of pre pubescent children is carried out pretty much exclusively by white males, and is far more prevalent, with far more victims. Hopefully you're just as empathetic and outraged about that.
If you see the opprobrium that British society in general (nit to mention the criminal classes behind bars) mete out to paedophiles, I'd hardly say that last question needed asking.As for the organised gang cases, we can all go and look at the figures compiled by the report from Wrekin and Telford and see what they specifically state as fact. It is extremely troubling.
Report said:
Over the period April 2013 to August 2014, [b]721 persons were identified as a victim
or child in child protection incidents where CSE was likely to be an element.[/b] Of this
number, 89 had a home address in Telford & Wrekin and 72 of these were under 18.
81% of total victims were female and 94% of CSE victims were white, 0.7% Black,
0.3% Asian and 0.3% Chinese. 44% of all victims were in offences with lone
offenders and 32% were in online CSE offences or indecent images of children. The
peak age group in both types of offence was 14-15 years. In gang/group type CSE,
victims tended to be older, with half of victims being aged 16-17 years. 16-17 year
olds made up a quarter of all CSE victims.
We believe that it is important to emphasise that people from all backgrounds can
become victims of CSE regardless of family background, ethnicity or educational
achievement. We also heard that there is no stereotypical perpetrator of CSE and
while some high profile national cases have focused on perpetrators of British
Pakistani heritage, CSE is not crime that is specific to any race or faith community.
or child in child protection incidents where CSE was likely to be an element.[/b] Of this
number, 89 had a home address in Telford & Wrekin and 72 of these were under 18.
81% of total victims were female and 94% of CSE victims were white, 0.7% Black,
0.3% Asian and 0.3% Chinese. 44% of all victims were in offences with lone
offenders and 32% were in online CSE offences or indecent images of children. The
peak age group in both types of offence was 14-15 years. In gang/group type CSE,
victims tended to be older, with half of victims being aged 16-17 years. 16-17 year
olds made up a quarter of all CSE victims.
We believe that it is important to emphasise that people from all backgrounds can
become victims of CSE regardless of family background, ethnicity or educational
achievement. We also heard that there is no stereotypical perpetrator of CSE and
while some high profile national cases have focused on perpetrators of British
Pakistani heritage, CSE is not crime that is specific to any race or faith community.
Edited by Digga on Saturday 17th March 11:57
Alpinestars said:
jshell said:
To me, the difference that you and Alpinestars have missed is the level of abuse carried out by these Pakistanis from a small area of that country. You both try to bring balance to the discussion by constantly mentioning other groups of abusers. Well, in my mind, there is a SIGNIFICANT difference here that pushes the Pakistani abusers above the others.
Having read the harrowing accounts of the Rotherham case, the level of organisation, the sheer numbers of victims, the level of physical and verbal abuse was beyond anything else I've heard of or read. The cigarette burns, the kickings, the beatings, the being pissed on, the forced drugging and dragging of young, vulnerable teenagers from house to house by taxi to be raped, raped again and then raped again together with the degradation of defacation. The witnessed queues outside houses for old men to repeatedly rape and scar these young girls. The not only failure to acknowledge the crimes, but to justify the abuse on race grounds. Calling them trash and prostitues because they happen to be white and vulnerable, so it's their faults. The howls of 'not fair, they're just kaffirs' in court by those that feel justified to treat those young girls as for use, abuse and disposal. Not to mention the collusion of the authorities to turn a blind eye due to the race issue.
THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.
Try reading what's been posted. No deflection, no excuses. It's harrowing. Having read the harrowing accounts of the Rotherham case, the level of organisation, the sheer numbers of victims, the level of physical and verbal abuse was beyond anything else I've heard of or read. The cigarette burns, the kickings, the beatings, the being pissed on, the forced drugging and dragging of young, vulnerable teenagers from house to house by taxi to be raped, raped again and then raped again together with the degradation of defacation. The witnessed queues outside houses for old men to repeatedly rape and scar these young girls. The not only failure to acknowledge the crimes, but to justify the abuse on race grounds. Calling them trash and prostitues because they happen to be white and vulnerable, so it's their faults. The howls of 'not fair, they're just kaffirs' in court by those that feel justified to treat those young girls as for use, abuse and disposal. Not to mention the collusion of the authorities to turn a blind eye due to the race issue.
THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.
But don't kid yourself it's the only sexual abuse that goes on. If you want concentration of numbers, sexual abuse of pre pubescent children is carried out pretty much exclusively by white males, and is far more prevalent, with far more victims. Hopefully you're just as empathetic and outraged about that.
I am angry and outraged by all abuse. All of it. But, I'm particularly angry about the organisation and LEVELS of abuse both physically and sexually carried out by one small demographic. I know there are high levels of sexual abuse by others.
However, the physical abuse and torture here together with the racial justifications for it elevate this particular issue and are the reasons for this focussed thread that recounts how a small proportion are carrying out systematic abuse using well tried methods and organisation that we haven't seen before.
You've been told many times: Start your own thread on abuse by others. But no, you claim 'no deflection', which was true until, um, your second paragraph...
So, point out another such well organised group of abusers that carry out the same levels of completely focussed sexual abuse, physical torture, trafficking, degradation and quite horrifically the JUSTIFICATION for their actions. The other abusers that try to excuse the abuse in court, on racial grounds.
To be honest, many on this thread see you as some kind of apologist.
Countdown said:
jshell said:
To me, the difference that you and Alpinestars have missed is the level of abuse carried out by these Pakistanis from a small area of that country. You both try to bring balance to the discussion by constantly mentioning other groups of abusers. Well, in my mind, there is a SIGNIFICANT difference here that pushes the Pakistani abusers above the others.
Having read the harrowing accounts of the Rotherham case, the level of organisation, the sheer numbers of victims, the level of physical and verbal abuse was beyond anything else I've heard of or read. The cigarette burns, the kickings, the beatings, the being pissed on, the forced drugging and dragging of young, vulnerable teenagers from house to house by taxi to be raped, raped again and then raped again together with the degradation of defacation. The witnessed queues outside houses for old men to repeatedly rape and scar these young girls. The not only failure to acknowledge the crimes, but to justify the abuse on race grounds. Calling them trash and prostitues because they happen to be white and vulnerable, so it's their faults. The howls of 'not fair, they're just kaffirs' in court by those that feel justified to treat those young girls as for use, abuse and disposal. Not to mention the collusion of the authorities to turn a blind eye due to the race issue.
THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.
At the risk of repeating myself - what difference does it make that the perpetrators were Pakistanis? I don't disagree that the crimes were extremely vile. I would love for the offenders to be castrated quite frankly. What i don't understand is the desperate need on here to focus on the ethnicity of the scum that did it. I can take a guess in some cases but I'd like to see what the rationale is for focusing on the "Pakistani" element.Having read the harrowing accounts of the Rotherham case, the level of organisation, the sheer numbers of victims, the level of physical and verbal abuse was beyond anything else I've heard of or read. The cigarette burns, the kickings, the beatings, the being pissed on, the forced drugging and dragging of young, vulnerable teenagers from house to house by taxi to be raped, raped again and then raped again together with the degradation of defacation. The witnessed queues outside houses for old men to repeatedly rape and scar these young girls. The not only failure to acknowledge the crimes, but to justify the abuse on race grounds. Calling them trash and prostitues because they happen to be white and vulnerable, so it's their faults. The howls of 'not fair, they're just kaffirs' in court by those that feel justified to treat those young girls as for use, abuse and disposal. Not to mention the collusion of the authorities to turn a blind eye due to the race issue.
THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.
Does that somehow make it better/worse? Should they receive a different sentence to somebody who committed the same crime but isn't Pakistani?
jshell said:
So, point out another such well organised group of abusers that carry out the same levels of completely focussed sexual abuse, physical torture, trafficking, degradation and quite horrifically the JUSTIFICATION for their actions. The other abusers that try to excuse the abuse in court, on racial grounds.
Could you give me an example of where any of the offenders has justified his actions in Court on racial grounds?Countdown said:
jshell said:
To me, the difference that you and Alpinestars have missed is the level of abuse carried out by these Pakistanis from a small area of that country. You both try to bring balance to the discussion by constantly mentioning other groups of abusers. Well, in my mind, there is a SIGNIFICANT difference here that pushes the Pakistani abusers above the others.
Having read the harrowing accounts of the Rotherham case, the level of organisation, the sheer numbers of victims, the level of physical and verbal abuse was beyond anything else I've heard of or read. The cigarette burns, the kickings, the beatings, the being pissed on, the forced drugging and dragging of young, vulnerable teenagers from house to house by taxi to be raped, raped again and then raped again together with the degradation of defacation. The witnessed queues outside houses for old men to repeatedly rape and scar these young girls. The not only failure to acknowledge the crimes, but to justify the abuse on race grounds. Calling them trash and prostitues because they happen to be white and vulnerable, so it's their faults. The howls of 'not fair, they're just kaffirs' in court by those that feel justified to treat those young girls as for use, abuse and disposal. Not to mention the collusion of the authorities to turn a blind eye due to the race issue.
THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.
At the risk of repeating myself - what difference does it make that the perpetrators were Pakistanis? I don't disagree that the crimes were extremely vile. I would love for the offenders to be castrated quite frankly. What i don't understand is the desperate need on here to focus on the ethnicity of the scum that did it. I can take a guess in some cases but I'd like to see what the rationale is for focusing on the "Pakistani" element.Having read the harrowing accounts of the Rotherham case, the level of organisation, the sheer numbers of victims, the level of physical and verbal abuse was beyond anything else I've heard of or read. The cigarette burns, the kickings, the beatings, the being pissed on, the forced drugging and dragging of young, vulnerable teenagers from house to house by taxi to be raped, raped again and then raped again together with the degradation of defacation. The witnessed queues outside houses for old men to repeatedly rape and scar these young girls. The not only failure to acknowledge the crimes, but to justify the abuse on race grounds. Calling them trash and prostitues because they happen to be white and vulnerable, so it's their faults. The howls of 'not fair, they're just kaffirs' in court by those that feel justified to treat those young girls as for use, abuse and disposal. Not to mention the collusion of the authorities to turn a blind eye due to the race issue.
THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.
Does that somehow make it better/worse? Should they receive a different sentence to somebody who committed the same crime but isn't Pakistani?
We'd all be trying to work out why they do such things, is this something they do in their homeland, what drives the Chinese community to either ignore, turn a blind eye, or actively close ranks on such actions, why have the Chinese been either protected by the powers that be, or why are those powers scared of the Chinese communtity?
Etc...
Countdown said:
jshell said:
So, point out another such well organised group of abusers that carry out the same levels of completely focussed sexual abuse, physical torture, trafficking, degradation and quite horrifically the JUSTIFICATION for their actions. The other abusers that try to excuse the abuse in court, on racial grounds.
Could you give me an example of where any of the offenders has justified his actions in Court on racial grounds?Maybe substitute 'racial' for 'cultural', if you're splitting hairs.
Mothersruin said:
Do you think if they were another specific immigrant demographic, say Chinese, that the culture, religion or any other possible reason for such organised abuse would not be the focus of why something is happening?
We'd all be trying to work out why they do such things, is this something they do in their homeland, what drives the Chinese community to either ignore, turn a blind eye, or actively close ranks on such actions, why have the Chinese been either protected by the powers that be, or why are those powers scared of the Chinese communtity?
Etc...
Exactly. It would be mentioned for any culture if that was seen as a factor! It's not an exclusively anti-Pakistani issue here. If they were from any colour, background or religion it would be part of the understanding of the issue!We'd all be trying to work out why they do such things, is this something they do in their homeland, what drives the Chinese community to either ignore, turn a blind eye, or actively close ranks on such actions, why have the Chinese been either protected by the powers that be, or why are those powers scared of the Chinese communtity?
Etc...
jshell said:
FFS, go back and read the accounts from court. It was all over the news at the time and widely reported. Cries of 'white meat', 'kaffir' and 'Allah Ahkbar' are endlessly reported as being shouted during and after trials.
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I thought you meant that they'd actually used it in court as part of their legal defence..
Jshell said:
The other abusers that try to excuse the abuse in court, on racial grounds.
Again, and apologies for being pedantic, please could you provide a link to "white meat" and "kaffir" being shouted out during or after trials. You suggest it was widely reported but Google isn't showing anything.jshell said:
I've read it all.
I am angry and outraged by all abuse. All of it. But, I'm particularly angry about the organisation and LEVELS of abuse both physically and sexually carried out by one small demographic. I know there are high levels of sexual abuse by others.
However, the physical abuse and torture here together with the racial justifications for it elevate this particular issue and are the reasons for this focussed thread that recounts how a small proportion are carrying out systematic abuse using well tried methods and organisation that we haven't seen before.
You've been told many times: Start your own thread on abuse by others. But no, you claim 'no deflection', which was true until, um, your second paragraph...
So, point out another such well organised group of abusers that carry out the same levels of completely focussed sexual abuse, physical torture, trafficking, degradation and quite horrifically the JUSTIFICATION for their actions. The other abusers that try to excuse the abuse in court, on racial grounds.
To be honest, many on this thread see you as some kind of apologist.
I really don't care what posters on this thread think about me. I state facts generally. Not opinions. If you/they can't cope with those facts, that's your/their issue, not mine. I am angry and outraged by all abuse. All of it. But, I'm particularly angry about the organisation and LEVELS of abuse both physically and sexually carried out by one small demographic. I know there are high levels of sexual abuse by others.
However, the physical abuse and torture here together with the racial justifications for it elevate this particular issue and are the reasons for this focussed thread that recounts how a small proportion are carrying out systematic abuse using well tried methods and organisation that we haven't seen before.
You've been told many times: Start your own thread on abuse by others. But no, you claim 'no deflection', which was true until, um, your second paragraph...
So, point out another such well organised group of abusers that carry out the same levels of completely focussed sexual abuse, physical torture, trafficking, degradation and quite horrifically the JUSTIFICATION for their actions. The other abusers that try to excuse the abuse in court, on racial grounds.
To be honest, many on this thread see you as some kind of apologist.
I'll state it again for the record. People on this thread love to talk about the abusers being Pakistani Muslim. They are. They are also British. That doesn't go down well. The majority of sexual abuse is committed in Britain is by white men. That doesn't go down well. Stating those two points is not an apology for anyone. I have zero tolerance to any sexual abuse. I don't pick and choose. That's the big difference.
Funkycoldribena said:
Alpinestars said:
Try reading what's been posted. No deflection, no excuses. It's harrowing.
But don't kid yourself it's the only sexual abuse that goes on. If you want concentration of numbers, sexual abuse of pre pubescent children is carried out pretty much exclusively by white males, and is far more prevalent, with far more victims. Hopefully you're just as empathetic and outraged about that.
More deflection.But don't kid yourself it's the only sexual abuse that goes on. If you want concentration of numbers, sexual abuse of pre pubescent children is carried out pretty much exclusively by white males, and is far more prevalent, with far more victims. Hopefully you're just as empathetic and outraged about that.
Alpinestars said:
jshell said:
I've read it all.
I am angry and outraged by all abuse. All of it. But, I'm particularly angry about the organisation and LEVELS of abuse both physically and sexually carried out by one small demographic. I know there are high levels of sexual abuse by others.
However, the physical abuse and torture here together with the racial justifications for it elevate this particular issue and are the reasons for this focussed thread that recounts how a small proportion are carrying out systematic abuse using well tried methods and organisation that we haven't seen before.
You've been told many times: Start your own thread on abuse by others. But no, you claim 'no deflection', which was true until, um, your second paragraph...
So, point out another such well organised group of abusers that carry out the same levels of completely focussed sexual abuse, physical torture, trafficking, degradation and quite horrifically the JUSTIFICATION for their actions. The other abusers that try to excuse the abuse in court, on racial grounds.
To be honest, many on this thread see you as some kind of apologist.
I really don't care what posters on this thread think about me. I state facts generally. Not opinions. If you/they can't cope with those facts, that's your/their issue, not mine. I am angry and outraged by all abuse. All of it. But, I'm particularly angry about the organisation and LEVELS of abuse both physically and sexually carried out by one small demographic. I know there are high levels of sexual abuse by others.
However, the physical abuse and torture here together with the racial justifications for it elevate this particular issue and are the reasons for this focussed thread that recounts how a small proportion are carrying out systematic abuse using well tried methods and organisation that we haven't seen before.
You've been told many times: Start your own thread on abuse by others. But no, you claim 'no deflection', which was true until, um, your second paragraph...
So, point out another such well organised group of abusers that carry out the same levels of completely focussed sexual abuse, physical torture, trafficking, degradation and quite horrifically the JUSTIFICATION for their actions. The other abusers that try to excuse the abuse in court, on racial grounds.
To be honest, many on this thread see you as some kind of apologist.
I'll state it again for the record. People on this thread love to talk about the abusers being Pakistani Muslim. They are. They are also British. That doesn't go down well. The majority of sexual abuse is committed in Britain is by white men. That doesn't go down well. Stating those two points is not an apology for anyone. I have zero tolerance to any sexual abuse. I don't pick and choose. That's the big difference.
I find it distasteful that you assume that others do not view other child/sex abuse crimes as serious. Start a thread about the other crimes carried out by another demographic, and I'm sure you will have a suitable response - this thread is about an imported problem.
Also - one thing that is a major differentiator for me is guilt - these chaps don't seem to have any, they seem to think it's OK. They're only sorry they've been caught, not sorry for their actions. I will take a stab in the dark that you're average paedo, while not being able to control themselves, they at least know that what they're doing is very wrong.
Edited by Mothersruin on Saturday 17th March 12:32
Mothersruin said:
Alpinestars said:
jshell said:
I've read it all.
I am angry and outraged by all abuse. All of it. But, I'm particularly angry about the organisation and LEVELS of abuse both physically and sexually carried out by one small demographic. I know there are high levels of sexual abuse by others.
However, the physical abuse and torture here together with the racial justifications for it elevate this particular issue and are the reasons for this focussed thread that recounts how a small proportion are carrying out systematic abuse using well tried methods and organisation that we haven't seen before.
You've been told many times: Start your own thread on abuse by others. But no, you claim 'no deflection', which was true until, um, your second paragraph...
So, point out another such well organised group of abusers that carry out the same levels of completely focussed sexual abuse, physical torture, trafficking, degradation and quite horrifically the JUSTIFICATION for their actions. The other abusers that try to excuse the abuse in court, on racial grounds.
To be honest, many on this thread see you as some kind of apologist.
I really don't care what posters on this thread think about me. I state facts generally. Not opinions. If you/they can't cope with those facts, that's your/their issue, not mine. I am angry and outraged by all abuse. All of it. But, I'm particularly angry about the organisation and LEVELS of abuse both physically and sexually carried out by one small demographic. I know there are high levels of sexual abuse by others.
However, the physical abuse and torture here together with the racial justifications for it elevate this particular issue and are the reasons for this focussed thread that recounts how a small proportion are carrying out systematic abuse using well tried methods and organisation that we haven't seen before.
You've been told many times: Start your own thread on abuse by others. But no, you claim 'no deflection', which was true until, um, your second paragraph...
So, point out another such well organised group of abusers that carry out the same levels of completely focussed sexual abuse, physical torture, trafficking, degradation and quite horrifically the JUSTIFICATION for their actions. The other abusers that try to excuse the abuse in court, on racial grounds.
To be honest, many on this thread see you as some kind of apologist.
I'll state it again for the record. People on this thread love to talk about the abusers being Pakistani Muslim. They are. They are also British. That doesn't go down well. The majority of sexual abuse is committed in Britain is by white men. That doesn't go down well. Stating those two points is not an apology for anyone. I have zero tolerance to any sexual abuse. I don't pick and choose. That's the big difference.
I find it distasteful that you assume that others do not view other child/sex abuse crimes as serious. Start a thread about the other crimes carried out by another demographic, and I'm sure you will have a suitable response - this thread is about an imported problem.
Also - one thing that is a major differentiator for me is guilt - these chaps don't seem to have any, they seem to think it's OK. They're only sorry they've been caught, not sorry for their actions. I will take a stab in the dark that you're average paedo, while not being able to control themselves, they at least know that what they're doing is very wrong.
Edited by Mothersruin on Saturday 17th March 12:32
t starts hitting the proverbial fan. Responding to your post specifically and not in general, for the hard of thinking - they are British. Born here. British. Not that it makes any difference, but if people want to be specific, be specific. Not having remorse must make it worse for the victims for sure. But I'm not sure many of the paedos showed much remorse. What goes on in their heads, neither you or I know.
Some nice additional deflections. You two are becoming masters at it.
I chose my words carefully. I stated the background of the abusers and the then went on to mention the sheer and shocking level of abuse. You focussed, as usual, only on the backgrounds with your usual 'hey, others are doing it' too.
So, lets look another way.
Please give us an example of the same levels of violence, abuse, torture, witness intimidation and lack of remorse from any other PROPRTIONAL demographic in this country. Specifically those targetting one particular demographic of victims. There are endless reports of the Pakistani abuse gangs telling their victims that they wanted white girls, so race is a factor here and undeniable.
So, here's your chance, examples please.
I chose my words carefully. I stated the background of the abusers and the then went on to mention the sheer and shocking level of abuse. You focussed, as usual, only on the backgrounds with your usual 'hey, others are doing it' too.
So, lets look another way.
Please give us an example of the same levels of violence, abuse, torture, witness intimidation and lack of remorse from any other PROPRTIONAL demographic in this country. Specifically those targetting one particular demographic of victims. There are endless reports of the Pakistani abuse gangs telling their victims that they wanted white girls, so race is a factor here and undeniable.
So, here's your chance, examples please.
jshell said:
Some nice additional deflections. You two are becoming masters at it.
I chose my words carefully. I stated the background of the abusers and the then went on to mention the sheer and shocking level of abuse. You focussed, as usual, only on the backgrounds with your usual 'hey, others are doing it' too.
So, lets look another way.
Please give us an example of the same levels of violence, abuse, torture, witness intimidation and lack of remorse from any other PROPRTIONAL demographic in this country. Specifically those targetting one particular demographic of victims. There are endless reports of the Pakistani abuse gangs telling their victims that they wanted white girls, so race is a factor here and undeniable.
So, here's your chance, examples please.
What's that got to do with anything? My points again;I chose my words carefully. I stated the background of the abusers and the then went on to mention the sheer and shocking level of abuse. You focussed, as usual, only on the backgrounds with your usual 'hey, others are doing it' too.
So, lets look another way.
Please give us an example of the same levels of violence, abuse, torture, witness intimidation and lack of remorse from any other PROPRTIONAL demographic in this country. Specifically those targetting one particular demographic of victims. There are endless reports of the Pakistani abuse gangs telling their victims that they wanted white girls, so race is a factor here and undeniable.
So, here's your chance, examples please.
- British Pakistani Muslims. Yes or no?
- all forms of sexual abuse are abhorrent. Yes or no?
- paedophilia is mainly committed by white males. Yes or no?
I agree that the levels of abuse and violence are abhorrent.
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