another abuse gang
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Alpinestars said:
jshell said:
Some nice additional deflections. You two are becoming masters at it.
I chose my words carefully. I stated the background of the abusers and the then went on to mention the sheer and shocking level of abuse. You focussed, as usual, only on the backgrounds with your usual 'hey, others are doing it' too.
So, lets look another way.
Please give us an example of the same levels of violence, abuse, torture, witness intimidation and lack of remorse from any other PROPRTIONAL demographic in this country. Specifically those targetting one particular demographic of victims. There are endless reports of the Pakistani abuse gangs telling their victims that they wanted white girls, so race is a factor here and undeniable.
So, here's your chance, examples please.
What's that got to do with anything? My points again;I chose my words carefully. I stated the background of the abusers and the then went on to mention the sheer and shocking level of abuse. You focussed, as usual, only on the backgrounds with your usual 'hey, others are doing it' too.
So, lets look another way.
Please give us an example of the same levels of violence, abuse, torture, witness intimidation and lack of remorse from any other PROPRTIONAL demographic in this country. Specifically those targetting one particular demographic of victims. There are endless reports of the Pakistani abuse gangs telling their victims that they wanted white girls, so race is a factor here and undeniable.
So, here's your chance, examples please.
- British Pakistani Muslims. Yes or no?
- all forms of sexual abuse are abhorrent. Yes or no?
- paedophilia is mainly committed by white males. Yes or no?
I agree that the levels of abuse and violence are abhorrent.
He's a master of deflection and denial.
His own worse enemy.
Countdown said:
Mothersruin said:
Lol.
Open book mate, you're an open book.
So are you. Shame it's just random scribbles......Open book mate, you're an open book.
My wariness comes from many years of living in the Middle East and working across North Africa and the Asian SubCon. Met some cracking people, seen the religion seriously hold them back or f
k everything up.I have nothing against Pakistanis until the darker sides of the country's culture, often perpetuated by the religion, comes out - then I'll call it as I see it. I'd do the same with any culture, icluding the swamp class we have in the UK - they're just as much scum in my eyes.
I'll judge each individual as they come - their ethnicity, colour, class, race, religion etc.. doesn't factor until they make it a factor.
Is that clear enough for you?
So, to go to your law question - you want be to say yes, so you can say that white Brits also break the law - bore off.
Let's have the same chat on a different thread where another specific groiup are commiting serioius crime and I can guarentee I'll be just as forthright with my views.
Edited by Mothersruin on Saturday 17th March 13:17
Funkycoldribena said:
Alpinestars said:
jshell said:
Some nice additional deflections. You two are becoming masters at it.
I chose my words carefully. I stated the background of the abusers and the then went on to mention the sheer and shocking level of abuse. You focussed, as usual, only on the backgrounds with your usual 'hey, others are doing it' too.
So, lets look another way.
Please give us an example of the same levels of violence, abuse, torture, witness intimidation and lack of remorse from any other PROPRTIONAL demographic in this country. Specifically those targetting one particular demographic of victims. There are endless reports of the Pakistani abuse gangs telling their victims that they wanted white girls, so race is a factor here and undeniable.
So, here's your chance, examples please.
What's that got to do with anything? My points again;I chose my words carefully. I stated the background of the abusers and the then went on to mention the sheer and shocking level of abuse. You focussed, as usual, only on the backgrounds with your usual 'hey, others are doing it' too.
So, lets look another way.
Please give us an example of the same levels of violence, abuse, torture, witness intimidation and lack of remorse from any other PROPRTIONAL demographic in this country. Specifically those targetting one particular demographic of victims. There are endless reports of the Pakistani abuse gangs telling their victims that they wanted white girls, so race is a factor here and undeniable.
So, here's your chance, examples please.
- British Pakistani Muslims. Yes or no?
- all forms of sexual abuse are abhorrent. Yes or no?
- paedophilia is mainly committed by white males. Yes or no?
I agree that the levels of abuse and violence are abhorrent.
He's a master of deflection and denial.
His own worse enemy.
The funny thing is, that the more that Alpine and Count carry on their apologist/deflective behaviour, the more that the subject will be met with horror. The more that people will realise that there is a certain element in society that seem to be more filthy and depraved, whilst being cunning and unrepentant than most others. That are more representative of their closed community than others.
'You mean those little girls were targetted for being white (as stated by the other victims), comprehensively tortured, witnesses intimidated, familes threatened or hurt and little sisters threatened with rape, and those pair were trying to point out squirrels in trees????'
Yup. Despicable, isn't it? Who's worse, those who do it or those that try so very hard to hide the underlying issues?
Troubleatmill said:
Alpinestars said:
How about entering the debate rather than making your usual snide remarks.
You have been know to shut down the debate by accusing others of being"Disingenuous".It is a very effective tool - and you know it.
jshell said:
I know that really, but I suppose that I'd like him to realise how he appears on this subject.
The funny thing is, that the more that Alpine and Count carry on their apologist/deflective behaviour, the more that the subject will be met with horror. The more that people will realise that there is a certain element in society that seem to be more filthy and depraved, whilst being cunning and unrepentant than most others. That are more representative of their closed community than others.
'You mean those little girls were targetted for being white (as stated by the other victims), comprehensively tortured, witnesses intimidated, familes threatened or hurt and little sisters threatened with rape, and those pair were trying to point out squirrels in trees????'
Yup. Despicable, isn't it? Who's worse, those who do it or those that try so very hard to hide the underlying issues?
There it is again. Whenever you're questioned about anything you jump to "apologist" and "deflective". It's bThe funny thing is, that the more that Alpine and Count carry on their apologist/deflective behaviour, the more that the subject will be met with horror. The more that people will realise that there is a certain element in society that seem to be more filthy and depraved, whilst being cunning and unrepentant than most others. That are more representative of their closed community than others.
'You mean those little girls were targetted for being white (as stated by the other victims), comprehensively tortured, witnesses intimidated, familes threatened or hurt and little sisters threatened with rape, and those pair were trying to point out squirrels in trees????'
Yup. Despicable, isn't it? Who's worse, those who do it or those that try so very hard to hide the underlying issues?
ks and it's boring. You've also made a wide range of assertions, some of which are true for some of the groups that were involved, but some that patently weren't. You were asked for evidence but you've waffled and ignored. OTOH If you could give one single example when I've apologise or tried to justify anything that the british-Pakstani gangs have done please show me. It sickens me as much as it does most people (and that includes pretty much every british-Pakistani I know).But the more you and others like you harp on about the british-Pakistani element and how especially bad this is, the more it's apparent that, actually, it's not the severity of the crime that you're interested in, it's the fact that "british-Pakistanis" were involved. If that's the case then at least have the balls to admit that you don't like british Pakistanis (as Motherruin has done) and that this is just a handy way of feeling justified about it.
Countdown said:
Mothersruin said:
So, to go to your law question - you want be to say yes, so you can say that white Brits also break the law - bore off.
No, that wasn't it at all. I just wanted you to explain what britishnes was. You've realised you can't.Countdown said:
jshell said:
I know that really, but I suppose that I'd like him to realise how he appears on this subject.
The funny thing is, that the more that Alpine and Count carry on their apologist/deflective behaviour, the more that the subject will be met with horror. The more that people will realise that there is a certain element in society that seem to be more filthy and depraved, whilst being cunning and unrepentant than most others. That are more representative of their closed community than others.
'You mean those little girls were targetted for being white (as stated by the other victims), comprehensively tortured, witnesses intimidated, familes threatened or hurt and little sisters threatened with rape, and those pair were trying to point out squirrels in trees????'
Yup. Despicable, isn't it? Who's worse, those who do it or those that try so very hard to hide the underlying issues?
There it is again. Whenever you're questioned about anything you jump to "apologist" and "deflective". It's bThe funny thing is, that the more that Alpine and Count carry on their apologist/deflective behaviour, the more that the subject will be met with horror. The more that people will realise that there is a certain element in society that seem to be more filthy and depraved, whilst being cunning and unrepentant than most others. That are more representative of their closed community than others.
'You mean those little girls were targetted for being white (as stated by the other victims), comprehensively tortured, witnesses intimidated, familes threatened or hurt and little sisters threatened with rape, and those pair were trying to point out squirrels in trees????'
Yup. Despicable, isn't it? Who's worse, those who do it or those that try so very hard to hide the underlying issues?
ks and it's boring. You've also made a wide range of assertions, some of which are true for some of the groups that were involved, but some that patently weren't. You were asked for evidence but you've waffled and ignored. OTOH If you could give one single example when I've apologise or tried to justify anything that the british-Pakstani gangs have done please show me. It sickens me as much as it does most people (and that includes pretty much every british-Pakistani I know).But the more you and others like you harp on about the british-Pakistani element and how especially bad this is, the more it's apparent that, actually, it's not the severity of the crime that you're interested in, it's the fact that "british-Pakistanis" were involved. If that's the case then at least have the balls to admit that you don't like british Pakistanis (as Motherruin has done) and that this is just a handy way of feeling justified about it.
I never said I dislike British Pakistanis? You're a devious one.
I said I'm wary of Islam and I dislike stone age cultures.
If you think that applies..?
Countdown said:
Mothersruin said:
HOLD ON!
I never said I dislike British Pakistanis? You're a devious one.
I said I dislike Islam and I dislike stone age cultures.
If you think that applies..?
Have you got premature Alzheimer's or something? Or is it dyslexia?I never said I dislike British Pakistanis? You're a devious one.
I said I dislike Islam and I dislike stone age cultures.
If you think that applies..?
Try reading your previous post.
Why is it that way round - most other groups have British as the last definition, so as to belong to that group as a sub-group - why is it never Pakistani Brits? ETA - Seems it's more normal in the UK, same for Asian & Indians etc...
I suppose it's something we don't worry about too much - the US seem to have more inclusion that way - African American, Asian American, Irish American etc... All proud Americans but also of their heritage.
Edited by Mothersruin on Saturday 17th March 14:05
jshell said:
I know that really, but I suppose that I'd like him to realise how he appears on this subject.
The funny thing is, that the more that Alpine and Count carry on their apologist/deflective behaviour, the more that the subject will be met with horror. The more that people will realise that there is a certain element in society that seem to be more filthy and depraved, whilst being cunning and unrepentant than most others. That are more representative of their closed community than others.
'You mean those little girls were targetted for being white (as stated by the other victims), comprehensively tortured, witnesses intimidated, familes threatened or hurt and little sisters threatened with rape, and those pair were trying to point out squirrels in trees????'
Yup. Despicable, isn't it? Who's worse, those who do it or those that try so very hard to hide the underlying issues?
So you don't want to answer the questions I put to you? If your answers are yes, we are both in agreement. It's really that simple. The funny thing is, that the more that Alpine and Count carry on their apologist/deflective behaviour, the more that the subject will be met with horror. The more that people will realise that there is a certain element in society that seem to be more filthy and depraved, whilst being cunning and unrepentant than most others. That are more representative of their closed community than others.
'You mean those little girls were targetted for being white (as stated by the other victims), comprehensively tortured, witnesses intimidated, familes threatened or hurt and little sisters threatened with rape, and those pair were trying to point out squirrels in trees????'
Yup. Despicable, isn't it? Who's worse, those who do it or those that try so very hard to hide the underlying issues?
And for the second time, I don't give two figs about what you think of me. I don't need your public approval.
The U.K. has a great history of racial and cultural diversity. Despite some of the more questionable moments of the empire, a benefit was a huge exposure to and integration with other races and cultures.
We were at the forefront of the civilised world's abolition of slavery.
When black American servicemen came over in numbers during WW2, the fact we had no segregation was a small influence in the subsequent changes in US civil rights.
I'm proud of British inclusiveness. I acknowledge its far from perfect, but it's up there with the best. Which is why, when there are issues which threaten what we have, it's crucial they are dealt with directly and transparently, without either scapegoating or obfuscation, whatever the motive.
We were at the forefront of the civilised world's abolition of slavery.
When black American servicemen came over in numbers during WW2, the fact we had no segregation was a small influence in the subsequent changes in US civil rights.
I'm proud of British inclusiveness. I acknowledge its far from perfect, but it's up there with the best. Which is why, when there are issues which threaten what we have, it's crucial they are dealt with directly and transparently, without either scapegoating or obfuscation, whatever the motive.
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