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Discussion
All we need now is for the polite accusations of "liar liar" to stop - and by Jove - I think we can constructively move this debate forward.
Ok My £0.02
1/ "Lessons will be learned" - must immediately be banned from all PR releases. It is now a spent statement
2/ Evidence of turning a blind eye due to PC etc - is an immediate loss job and all employer pension contributions etc etc
There has to be trust between the citizens and those in roles to ensure citizen safety
3/ I have no love for any/ all religions. ( Actually - I think they are all pretty evil ) - but for the faithful - and given the demographic - The Imams should quite simply keep on pronouncing that Mo, Allah et all will condemn you to hell if you fail to report those who rape children
( Now... this might seem a rather unfair and targeted. But - gang grooming is pretty much demographic limited, and if the perpetrators cannot be good Islamic citizens.... then focusing the minds of the rest of the good Islamic citizens is not a bad thing.
I am open to persuasion - but I think if 17 Muslim, Pakistani/ British adults are gang raping hundreds of white British children - many others know about it.
What is sauce for the goose.....eg. Ditto for Saville.... Anyone that does not report it - is complicit.
4/ Thinking about it. It is not rocket science. If I suspect a co-worker of fraud, embezzlement etc - I report it up the chain.
5/ We need jail sentences for those that are complicit.
6/ A jail term of Ten years (which means Five ) with time off for good behaviour does not cut it. It needs to be a deterrent - for all.
eg. IMO - No religious privileges, food of all varieties, hate listening to the Goombay Dance Band -tough. In short - whatever else will deter every single person in this country from kiddy fiddling needs to be implemented. You play with the kiddies - you lose all rights - expect healthcare, being fed and watered and very basic human needs. ( no jiggy jiggy allowed either )
7/ The excuse of "We all did it back home in ******** so we didn't know it was not allowed" is not an excuse. You land in this country - ignorance is not an excuse.
8/ Referendums are quite popular these days.. I wonder if one will be allowed on the punishment of grooming gangs?
Edit - Actually - for all kiddy fiddlers - ( not just grooming gangs ).
Ok My £0.02
1/ "Lessons will be learned" - must immediately be banned from all PR releases. It is now a spent statement
2/ Evidence of turning a blind eye due to PC etc - is an immediate loss job and all employer pension contributions etc etc
There has to be trust between the citizens and those in roles to ensure citizen safety
3/ I have no love for any/ all religions. ( Actually - I think they are all pretty evil ) - but for the faithful - and given the demographic - The Imams should quite simply keep on pronouncing that Mo, Allah et all will condemn you to hell if you fail to report those who rape children
( Now... this might seem a rather unfair and targeted. But - gang grooming is pretty much demographic limited, and if the perpetrators cannot be good Islamic citizens.... then focusing the minds of the rest of the good Islamic citizens is not a bad thing.
I am open to persuasion - but I think if 17 Muslim, Pakistani/ British adults are gang raping hundreds of white British children - many others know about it.
What is sauce for the goose.....eg. Ditto for Saville.... Anyone that does not report it - is complicit.
4/ Thinking about it. It is not rocket science. If I suspect a co-worker of fraud, embezzlement etc - I report it up the chain.
5/ We need jail sentences for those that are complicit.
6/ A jail term of Ten years (which means Five ) with time off for good behaviour does not cut it. It needs to be a deterrent - for all.
eg. IMO - No religious privileges, food of all varieties, hate listening to the Goombay Dance Band -tough. In short - whatever else will deter every single person in this country from kiddy fiddling needs to be implemented. You play with the kiddies - you lose all rights - expect healthcare, being fed and watered and very basic human needs. ( no jiggy jiggy allowed either )
7/ The excuse of "We all did it back home in ******** so we didn't know it was not allowed" is not an excuse. You land in this country - ignorance is not an excuse.
8/ Referendums are quite popular these days.. I wonder if one will be allowed on the punishment of grooming gangs?
Edit - Actually - for all kiddy fiddlers - ( not just grooming gangs ).
Edited by Troubleatmill on Saturday 17th March 19:32
jshell said:
THESE are the reasons that you and Alpine are felt to be deflecting the conversation all of the time. These are the reasons that people can't quite understand your endless deflections. These are the reasons for the outrage.
Nothing you post will make a difference, they simply can't bear to hear the truth. Exactly like the authorities involved in the area chose to ignore these repulsive, culturally driven crimes.
andymc said:
The police and social services missed it for fear of being branded racist, individuals reported it and they were sent for diversity training, the same thing happened with Saville et al at the BBC, they all knew it was going on but no one said anything, these cum drops were hiding in plain sight, be they Pakistani/British or White middle class entertainers
The British/Pakistani community has deep rooted misogyny issues that they say are cultutal, mainly by the men, funny that.., there are issues with white British girls being classed as sluts due to the fact they are allowed out unaccompanied, wear revealing clothes etc etc
Can we all agree that all that the authorities should have picked up on the reports in the 80's? This cannot be allowed to happen again, be they CSE cases, the Catholic priests and young boys or even the Harvey Weinsteins of this World.
I don't have the answers but the matter needs to be kept in the spotlight or it will once again disappear
I don’t buy this ‘fear of being branded racist’ stuff. Nor did they miss it. They knew what was going on and covered it up, Even aided the offenders in at least one case by arresting a father of a victim who was trying to rescue her. The British/Pakistani community has deep rooted misogyny issues that they say are cultutal, mainly by the men, funny that.., there are issues with white British girls being classed as sluts due to the fact they are allowed out unaccompanied, wear revealing clothes etc etc
Can we all agree that all that the authorities should have picked up on the reports in the 80's? This cannot be allowed to happen again, be they CSE cases, the Catholic priests and young boys or even the Harvey Weinsteins of this World.
I don't have the answers but the matter needs to be kept in the spotlight or it will once again disappear
The authorities genuinely believe that multi culti diversity is what they are there to enforce, therefore anything which might affect that, like gang rape of children on an industrial scale, cannot and must not be true. Fear of being branded a racist is a much lower level of culpability than I believe exists.
k splats in charge should be up on criminal charges, it won't happenA Telford Story.
I wonder what he think of his daughter ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-43...
I wonder what he think of his daughter ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-43...
Pakistanis unhappy at the use of the words "Pakistani Grooming Gang".
https://www.britishPakistanichristians.org/blog/St...
https://www.britishPakistanichristians.org/blog/St...
del mar said:
Pakistanis unhappy at the use of the words "Pakistani Grooming Gang".
https://www.britishPakistanichristians.org/blog/St...
They sort of have a point, don't they?https://www.britishPakistanichristians.org/blog/St...
Digga said:
del mar said:
Pakistanis unhappy at the use of the words "Pakistani Grooming Gang".
https://www.britishPakistanichristians.org/blog/St...
They sort of have a point, don't they?https://www.britishPakistanichristians.org/blog/St...
British - a Brit would say "not in my name"
Pakistani - a Pakistani would say "not in my name"
Muslim - a Muslim would say "not in my name"
They don't represent any of those people, but the fact is they are mainly British, Pakistani Muslims.
Alpinestars said:
That's the problem with blanket descriptions.
British - a Brit would say "not in my name"
Pakistani - a Pakistani would say "not in my name"
Muslim - a Muslim would say "not in my name"
They don't represent any of those people, but the fact is they are mainly British, Pakistani Muslims.
But if there was a British bunch in say, Thailand doing this surely they'd be labelled British grooming gang by the news?British - a Brit would say "not in my name"
Pakistani - a Pakistani would say "not in my name"
Muslim - a Muslim would say "not in my name"
They don't represent any of those people, but the fact is they are mainly British, Pakistani Muslims.
anonymous said:
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What became apparant after the 3 Girls film on the BBC, during the follow up programme it was stated that the Council and Social services kept it under the radar. Fearing that it would give ammunition to the BNP who were contesting council elections at the time. The cover up included all the agencies that should have/ could have stopped this several years before. We really need an independant body to oversee these matters, as clearly the Police, Social services and local Councils cannot be trusted anymore.Lessons will be learnt my arse, time and time again we see a failure, by the agencies that are meant to protect the vulnerable, end up protecting the perpetrators.
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