another abuse gang
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Alpinestars said:
j_4m said:
rscott said:
Where does that CEOP estimate come from? seems somewhat at odds with the CEOP figures mentioned here - https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-e... .
I'll try and dig it up, it was a bit more of a broken down report categorising victims as Type 1/Type 2. One section were simply vulnerable young people, the other victims who were specifically targeted by paedophiles.They qualify all their reports with "these are just estimates, small sample sizes, incomplete data sets, etc..."
The former is what I think is carried out by pre-dominently whites and i my opinion the death oenalty woukd be too nice.
The latter tend to be lured into it by gangs and I don't think we are anywhere near finding out how a room full of blokes coukd even have a conversatiin that keads to this without somebody saying WTF yet they all tend to go along with it.
I am baffled by that
NoNeed said:
I don't think the term paedophile helps as that is a desire of pre-pubescent, the Asian gangs if labelled correctly would be ephebophiles.
The former is what I think is carried out by pre-dominently whites and i my opinion the death oenalty woukd be too nice.
The latter tend to be lured into it by gangs and I don't think we are anywhere near finding out how a room full of blokes coukd even have a conversatiin that keads to this without somebody saying WTF yet they all tend to go along with it.
I am baffled by that
We finally agree on something. The former is what I think is carried out by pre-dominently whites and i my opinion the death oenalty woukd be too nice.
The latter tend to be lured into it by gangs and I don't think we are anywhere near finding out how a room full of blokes coukd even have a conversatiin that keads to this without somebody saying WTF yet they all tend to go along with it.
I am baffled by that
The Asian gangs appear to almost exclusively target post pubescent children.
Non Asians, appear to operate alone/on the internet, and target pre pubescent children, including very young babies.
The ongoing investigations have netted a very big scalp; Lord Nazir Ahmed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
Certainly gives lie to the assumption the abuse is restricted to those without education, opportunity, integration or (middle class) status.
Certainly gives lie to the assumption the abuse is restricted to those without education, opportunity, integration or (middle class) status.
Digga said:
The ongoing investigations have netted a very big scalp; Lord Nazir Ahmed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
Certainly gives lie to the assumption the abuse is restricted to those without education, opportunity, integration or (middle class) status.
Was just about to post this, seems as though he was charged with two accomplices as well.Certainly gives lie to the assumption the abuse is restricted to those without education, opportunity, integration or (middle class) status.
j_4m said:
Digga said:
The ongoing investigations have netted a very big scalp; Lord Nazir Ahmed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
Certainly gives lie to the assumption the abuse is restricted to those without education, opportunity, integration or (middle class) status.
Was just about to post this, seems as though he was charged with two accomplices as well.Certainly gives lie to the assumption the abuse is restricted to those without education, opportunity, integration or (middle class) status.
Hmm, i disagree. I can see how lacking education and being from a poor background would drive you to theft, robbery even violence as the first two put you in conflict. Sexual assault and rape, much less of a minor, is the kind of behaviour that only those lacking in empathy and basic humanity can perpetrate.
Digga said:
I'm not 'excusing' people from very poor backgrounds, but you have more of an understanding how they - of limited education and means - might err, but when those within the elite or establishment transgress, it is (somehow) worse. We've been here before, of course, with Yew Tree. Echoes of the appallingly fudged investigations into the activities at the Elm Guest House also spring to mind. Utterly repugnant.
It has nothing to do with education I’m afraid. A group of us went to the US last year for a leadership programme. Part of it involved “immersing” ourselves in the community, and some of the problems it faces - from business to crime. One group visited a police unit that focuses on child prostitution. The message they came back with was that for those particular girls, it was generally middle aged professionals that were the abusers.
I think that prepubescent child abuse is probably committed by people who’s brains are not wired correctly. Those that choose post pubescent girls probably don’t respect the boundary that society puts on childhood, and/or their brains are not wired correctly. Class or intellectual ability is totally permeable.
j_4m said:
Digga said:
The ongoing investigations have netted a very big scalp; Lord Nazir Ahmed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
Certainly gives lie to the assumption the abuse is restricted to those without education, opportunity, integration or (middle class) status.
Was just about to post this, seems as though he was charged with two accomplices as well.Certainly gives lie to the assumption the abuse is restricted to those without education, opportunity, integration or (middle class) status.
Agreed, I should not have the gut reaction - the bias that I do - not least because my mate who used to be a patrol police officer always told me the worst cases of domestic abuse he saw were in the most affluent areas.
However, I think what I am grasping at here is that the transgression of a 'pillar of the community', an individual in a position of responsibility and respect, is somehow worse. The crime remains similarly distasteful, irrespective of the status of the offender, but the betrayal of societal trust is not the same.
However, I think what I am grasping at here is that the transgression of a 'pillar of the community', an individual in a position of responsibility and respect, is somehow worse. The crime remains similarly distasteful, irrespective of the status of the offender, but the betrayal of societal trust is not the same.
Digga said:
Agreed, I should not have the gut reaction - the bias that I do - not least because my mate who used to be a patrol police officer always told me the worst cases of domestic abuse he saw were in the most affluent areas.
However, I think what I am grasping at here is that the transgression of a 'pillar of the community', an individual in a position of responsibility and respect, is somehow worse. The crime remains similarly distasteful, irrespective of the status of the offender, but the betrayal of societal trust is not the same.
I’m not going to excuse him or adult who is sexually active with underage children, but this one is different and you’re painting him as something he wasn’t when this apparently happened. However, I think what I am grasping at here is that the transgression of a 'pillar of the community', an individual in a position of responsibility and respect, is somehow worse. The crime remains similarly distasteful, irrespective of the status of the offender, but the betrayal of societal trust is not the same.
He wasn’t in a position of responsibility and was aged between 14 and 17 when these allegedly happened. I’ll hold my hands up and say that at 16 I was sexually actively with a girl of 15, ditto at 17. I’m not sure that’s the same as being part of a gang of people in their 20s or 30s grooming someone in their early teens, which is frankly disgusting.
There is also a couple of things to add, which are interesting. Firstly, that he’s been named. I thought Tommy pointed out that they were ways protected and all Muslims got away with this until,they were found guilty. Seems that’s a lie
Secondly, he’s been charged not found guilty yet and in Tommy’s ongoing contempt case, everyone keeps saying innocent until proven guilty. Double standards?
Of course, if in time he’s found guilty I hope he receives appropriate punishment.
desolate said:
Which case is this?
The Lord Ahmed one that’s being discussed this morninghttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
macushla said:
desolate said:
Which case is this?
The Lord Ahmed one that’s being discussed this morninghttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
macushla said:
He wasn’t in a position of responsibility and was aged between 14 and 17 when these allegedly happened.
Agreed, but it still casts a pall over the 'office' of the HoL.macushla said:
I’ll hold my hands up and say that at 16 I was sexually actively with a girl of 15, ditto at 17.
One would hope (as you say) under very, very different circumstances though and I agree, that type of situation is not uncommon.macushla said:
Secondly, he’s been charged not found guilty yet and in Tommy’s ongoing contempt case, everyone keeps saying innocent until proven guilty. Double standards?
Of course, if in time he’s found guilty I hope he receives appropriate punishment.
Agreed. Although it would appear that in the vast majority of the cases that have been brought, the CPS have assembled a sufficiently convincing case, prior to prosecution. Still, innocent until proven otherwise.Of course, if in time he’s found guilty I hope he receives appropriate punishment.
macushla said:
I’m not going to excuse him or adult who is sexually active with underage children, but this one is different and you’re painting him as something he wasn’t when this apparently happened.
He wasn’t in a position of responsibility and was aged between 14 and 17 when these allegedly happened. I’ll hold my hands up and say that at 16 I was sexually actively with a girl of 15, ditto at 17. I’m not sure that’s the same as being part of a gang of people in their 20s or 30s grooming someone in their early teens, which is frankly disgusting.
There is also a couple of things to add, which are interesting. Firstly, that he’s been named. I thought Tommy pointed out that they were ways protected and all Muslims got away with this until,they were found guilty. Seems that’s a lie
Secondly, he’s been charged not found guilty yet and in Tommy’s ongoing contempt case, everyone keeps saying innocent until proven guilty. Double standards?
Of course, if in time he’s found guilty I hope he receives appropriate punishment.
Dude, you need to read the article again, he has been charged with attempted rape, multiple times, including that of a 13 yo boy. This isn't little johnny trying to get some tops n fingers down the canal. He wasn’t in a position of responsibility and was aged between 14 and 17 when these allegedly happened. I’ll hold my hands up and say that at 16 I was sexually actively with a girl of 15, ditto at 17. I’m not sure that’s the same as being part of a gang of people in their 20s or 30s grooming someone in their early teens, which is frankly disgusting.
There is also a couple of things to add, which are interesting. Firstly, that he’s been named. I thought Tommy pointed out that they were ways protected and all Muslims got away with this until,they were found guilty. Seems that’s a lie
Secondly, he’s been charged not found guilty yet and in Tommy’s ongoing contempt case, everyone keeps saying innocent until proven guilty. Double standards?
Of course, if in time he’s found guilty I hope he receives appropriate punishment.
FWIW I agreed with your points entirely until I read the article.
MrNoisy said:
Dude, you need to read the article again, he has been charged with attempted rape, multiple times, including that of a 13 yo boy. This isn't little johnny trying to get some tops n fingers down the canal.
FWIW I agreed with your points entirely until I read the article.
Charged with two counts of rape on a girl and four of indecent assault on a boy under 13. If he’s guilty, throw the book at him, absolutely no problem with that. FWIW I agreed with your points entirely until I read the article.
I was just pointing out that he did this when he was aged 14-17, not when he was an adult as per the other sicko scumbags.
Digga said:
macushla said:
He wasn’t in a position of responsibility and was aged between 14 and 17 when these allegedly happened.
Agreed, but it still casts a pall over the 'office' of the HoL.macushla said:
I’ll hold my hands up and say that at 16 I was sexually actively with a girl of 15, ditto at 17.
One would hope (as you say) under very, very different circumstances though and I agree, that type of situation is not uncommon.macushla said:
Secondly, he’s been charged not found guilty yet and in Tommy’s ongoing contempt case, everyone keeps saying innocent until proven guilty. Double standards?
Of course, if in time he’s found guilty I hope he receives appropriate punishment.
Agreed. Although it would appear that in the vast majority of the cases that have been brought, the CPS have assembled a sufficiently convincing case, prior to prosecution. Still, innocent until proven otherwise.Of course, if in time he’s found guilty I hope he receives appropriate punishment.
Agree that prosecution cases seem to be watertight and if so, throw the book at him.
Wakefield. No names yet. This would put the number of people arrested this year in relation to child sexual exploitation to over 100.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-475013...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-475013...
freakybacon said:
Wakefield. No names yet. This would put the number of people arrested this year in relation to child sexual exploitation to over 100.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-475013...
It's the Plymouth Brethren God botherers this time... I'm sure it will be....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-475013...
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