another abuse gang

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Mothersruin said:

Agreed.

However, it's hard to deny the religion gave them a shield against the authorities due to fear of isms etc...

Possibly. I think the fact that most of the girls seem to have had troubled childhoods may also have affected the views of the authorities.

Maybe O/T but the article below shows that there will always be certain types of men will abuse women, regardless of their ethnic or religious background.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48702763

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jshell said:

What do you want me to say? That Muslims are more prone to prey on young girls in the UK, or anywhere else? I don't believe that's necessarily true.

Actually, this whole thread is about the disproportionate representation of certain demographics in highly organised. well publicised abuse gangs that tend to be from a small part of one country. They are more than sex attackers, they are taught through their perverted version of a religion that it's OK to prey on young, vulnerable girls from certain backgrounds identified by 'their' religion as viable targets. They are well organised physical abusers and traffickers that see their victims as 'nothing' to be concerned about. Their common traits and origins speak volumes about their motives and justifications.

There are problems everywhere in the world, to greater or lesser degrees, so people could start threads on those specifics. Maybe honour killings, priests, acid attacks, forced marriage, kids club stewards, sex slavery, blaming rape victims, gymnastics coaches, murdering rape victims etc, etc... But, this thread has pointed out the common origins of one set of attackers and their huge numbers and common MO's. Some of the posters are just here to deflect the focus where perhaps their own communities could actually help the victims...

Edited by jshell on Tuesday 25th June 13:33

It’s also not about South America, Russia, dangerous places for women etc either.

This is a forum, where people aren’t bound by the thread title - and to the extent it’s relevant to the conversation, you shouldn’t be trying to shut it down. The elephant in the room is that pre pubescent paedophilia, which is far more prevalent in the U.K., is (afaik) committed entirely by white men (a proxy for non Muslims on ph). Maybe we should analyse why the different groups carry out different forms and MOs of paedophilia? I expect a thread on pre pubescent paedophilic wouldn’t stretch to a tenth of the pages this one has.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

How about regardless of skin colour, ethnicity or religion, anyone caught and convicted of sexually abusing children get a mandatory
25 year jail term?. Having a sentence like that will certainly put off a good few from their depraved criminality, and the ones that it doesnt deter will at least be unable to wreck childrens lives for many years.

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Pastor Of Muppets said:

How about regardless of skin colour, ethnicity or religion, anyone caught and convicted of sexually abusing children get a mandatory
25 year jail term?. Having a sentence like that will certainly put off a good few from their depraved criminality, and the ones that it doesnt deter will at least be unable to wreck childrens lives for many years.

Not sure you’ll have many arguing against that. Heinous crime deserves a very stiff sentence

[jshell]

Alpinestars said:

It’s also not about South America, Russia, dangerous places for women etc either.

This is a forum, where people aren’t bound by the thread title - and to the extent it’s relevant to the conversation, you shouldn’t be trying to shut it down. The elephant in the room is that pre pubescent paedophilia, which is far more prevalent in the U.K., is (afaik) committed entirely by white men (a proxy for non Muslims on ph). Maybe we should analyse why the different groups carry out different forms and MOs of paedophilia? I expect a thread on pre pubescent paedophilic wouldn’t stretch to a tenth of the pages this one has.

I would respectfully suggest that that this thread would not have reached near it's current post count had some of the contributors not been seen to be trying to deflect attention from these particularly well organised child-abuse factories. This is different to many types of attacked hence deemed worthy of it's own thread. I'll happily posit my theories as to why priests are seen to have abused so many kids - in another thread. I'm an equal-opportunities rapist and abuser hater!

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jshell said:

I would respectfully suggest that that this thread would not have reached near it's current post count had some of the contributors not been seen to be trying to deflect attention from these particularly well organised child-abuse factories. This is different to many types of attacked hence deemed worthy of it's own thread. I'll happily posit my theories as to why priests are seen to have abused so many kids - in another thread. I'm an equal-opportunities rapist and abuser hater!

You’re in the minority. And I’m not sure there are that many that have deflected attention - how would anyone do that anyway? Unlike the EDL type approach of it only matters if brown people are perpetrators, it’s fair to point out that paedos come in all flavours. That’s reality. Not deflection.

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Alpinestars said:

jshell said:

I would respectfully suggest that that this thread would not have reached near it's current post count had some of the contributors not been seen to be trying to deflect attention from these particularly well organised child-abuse factories. This is different to many types of attacked hence deemed worthy of it's own thread. I'll happily posit my theories as to why priests are seen to have abused so many kids - in another thread. I'm an equal-opportunities rapist and abuser hater!

You’re in the minority. And I’m not sure there are that many that have deflected attention - how would anyone do that anyway? Unlike the EDL type approach of it only matters if brown people are perpetrators, it’s fair to point out that paedos come in all flavours. That’s reality. Not deflection.

How? It's an easy strategy: 'Look, there's a squirrel!' Huh?

I'm not sure if for any poster that skin colour comes into it. Certainly not for me! I stay away from PH a lot these days, tbh. There is no doubt a religious factor in the attacks but again, I dislike all religions and wish the archaic thinking and practices would just wither away!

I think that the Pakistani rings that we're discussing here have several factors that pique people's interest, including the religious led view of white girls as 'meat'. The organisational skills involved. The level of physical abuse including beatings, burns, urinating on, abortions. etc. The driving them from house to house and witnesses reporting queues of old men outside houses where the victims were being kept, raped, beaten and abused. The fact that it was flagged to the authorities and they actively avoided action. The arguable avoidance of the issue by the local communities for so very long. The victims sometimes being threatened with prosecution in order to keep the systematic abuse hidden. There are no winners here!

I agree that there is organised abuse in many places, but I can't see it anywhere else in the UK to the same level. That's not to excuse the priests, scoutmasters, coaches etc, but abuse comes in different levels. This 'appears' to be sitting in an upper level of well organised depravity. I'm happy to be proven wrong if there's evidence of priests trafficking kids, queuing up to abuse them, burning them, pissing on them and all of the rest.

I hope they all find their own version of Hell.

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Pastor Of Muppets said:

How about regardless of skin colour, ethnicity or religion, anyone caught and convicted of sexually abusing children get a mandatory
25 year jail term?. Having a sentence like that will certainly put off a good few from their depraved criminality, and the ones that it doesnt deter will at least be unable to wreck childrens lives for many years.

I’d go for castration, either chemical or physical.

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Pastor Of Muppets said:

How about regardless of skin colour, ethnicity or religion, anyone caught and convicted of sexually abusing children get a mandatory
25 year jail term?. Having a sentence like that will certainly put off a good few from their depraved criminality, and the ones that it doesnt deter will at least be unable to wreck childrens lives for many years.

Define children.

[j_4m]

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Pastor Of Muppets said:

How about regardless of skin colour, ethnicity or religion, anyone caught and convicted of sexually abusing children get a mandatory
25 year jail term?. Having a sentence like that will certainly put off a good few from their depraved criminality, and the ones that it doesnt deter will at least be unable to wreck childrens lives for many years.

I’d go for castration, either chemical or physical.

Ten years in prison, no parole, no visitors, then if no new evidence comes to light execution.

[Lemming Train]

I see the thread is back to "but what about Christians?" again by the same handful of members whilst still continuing in trying to deflect the attention from the huge elephant in the room.

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Lemming Train said:

I see the thread is back to "but what about Christians?" again by the same handful of members whilst still continuing in trying to deflect the attention from the huge elephant in the room.

Elephant in the room is the wrong idiom.

I can’t see anyone saying what about the Christians. When someone asserts it’s a religious problem, it needs evidence. And no one is putting that forward. So just maybe, it’s not a religious problem. Nothing wrong with pointing this out.

[Lemming Train]

Your 2nd line has just proven my point perfectly.

Nothing to see here folks, move along now.

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Lemming Train said:

I see the thread is back to "but what about Christians?" again by the same handful of members whilst still continuing in trying to deflect the attention from the huge elephant in the room.

If you had half a brain you would realise that not one single poster has tried to deflect anything nor deny the severity of these crimes and the need for them to punished and their causes investigated without fear or favour.

However as we know you are somewhat dim and specialise in highlighting the fact.

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Lemming Train said:

Your 2nd line has just proven my point perfectly.

Nothing to see here folks, move along now.

Who’s saying “what about the Christians”?

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Lemming Train said:

I see the thread is back to "but what about Christians?" again by the same handful of members whilst still continuing in trying to deflect the attention from the huge elephant in the room.

Spot on, it is like a hall of mirrors.

Obvious Elephant is obvious.

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colin_p said:

Spot on, it is like a hall of mirrors.

Obvious Elephant is obvious.

So do Catholic priests abuse children because they are Catholic?

[rscott]

anonymous said:

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Erm, Methodist preachers are allowed to marry and they've not been the best behaved bunch either -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32909444

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anonymous said:

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Where’s the religious link? What’s the reason for atheists sexually abusing children?

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anonymous said:

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I haven’t named anyone else - gratuitously. What’s the religious link. Can’t be that hard surely?