another abuse gang

[Lindun]

anonymous said:

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The problem with your post is that you want to link the religion to it. Catholic priests absolutely should have the religion linked, as should the Methodist vicars, because they are employees of those religions, not just followers. Around 1 in 4 people on the planet are Muslim, so 1000s of paedos is still a fraction of the population, even in the smaller population in the UK it’s still a nominal number. There may well be a problem in some parts of some communities, but it isn’t all of them. I’m also baffled why it seems to fall on the whole religion to sort everything out.

There are loads of Christians committing sexual crimes. Do you feel that you should be part of the solution along with your neighbour and the guy from the post room at work that you’ve barely spoken to?

Paedos, grooming gangs whatever they are are simply perverts and nothing else.

You ask how they get together? I’ve no idea, but there are white paedohile rings too. There was also a thread on here where some posters were openly discussing how some young teenagers looked and what they would / could do with them. It wouldn’t take much for a few messages to be swapped.

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Lindun said:

anonymous said:

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The problem with your post is that you want to link the religion to it. Catholic priests absolutely should have the religion linked, as should the Methodist vicars, because they are employees of those religions, not just followers. Around 1 in 4 people on the planet are Muslim, so 1000s of paedos is still a fraction of the population, even in the smaller population in the UK it’s still a nominal number. There may well be a problem in some parts of some communities, but it isn’t all of them. I’m also baffled why it seems to fall on the whole religion to sort everything out.

There are loads of Christians committing sexual crimes. Do you feel that you should be part of the solution along with your neighbour and the guy from the post room at work that you’ve barely spoken to?

Paedos, grooming gangs whatever they are are simply perverts and nothing else.

You ask how they get together? I’ve no idea, but there are white paedohile rings too. There was also a thread on here where some posters were openly discussing how some young teenagers looked and what they would / could do with them. It wouldn’t take much for a few messages to be swapped.

Sigh.
There are groups of men in this country who think it is acceptable to groom and rape underage girls, I get that most sexual offenders do not belong to this socio economic and religious demographic however it is a worrying trend which is not being properly addressed as the community they are part of deny it is a problem and play the race/religion card.
It needs to be acknowledged and dealt with.

[Lindun]

stitched said:

Sigh.
There are groups of men in this country who think it is acceptable to groom and rape underage girls, I get that most sexual offenders do not belong to this socio economic and religious demographic however it is a worrying trend which is not being properly addressed as the community they are part of deny it is a problem and play the race/religion card.
It needs to be acknowledged and dealt with.

And how many times?

There are hundreds of other crimes being committed by another socio economic group. You are a member of that socio economic group. What are you doing about it?

When is this going to sink in? There are sickos the world over and they are from all walks of life. Just because these particular sickos meet your own prejudices against their background does not mean that the whole socio economic group are at fault.

You are choosing to make this about their religion. The vast majority of Muslims do not commit these crimes, yet you are painting a picture as if they do. Just as the vast majority of white Christians are not the same as those investigated under Operation Yew Tree.

[Alpinestars]

All religions are man made. Now with that out of the way, what’s the religious link. With some brevity please, rather than throwing lots of letters at the screen.

[Lindun]

anonymous said:

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That’s a rant. Whilst I’ve every sympathy for you with the last paragraph, the first two are just a confused mish mash.

I’m not a Muslim, I’m not Asian. However, I can see the difference between an employee of a religion (Catholic priests) and a follower of a religion (someone who was born a Muslim). You seem incapable of making this distinction. It isn’t a difficult one to make.

In one case you choose your vocation and then use that vocation as a way to prey on the innocent. In the other it’s just an accident of birth and it isn’t used at all as part of your way of preying on the innocent.

Religion is not all paedophiles and perverts. For some it provides comfort, it provides meaning, it provides something for them. To mock people for having faith doesn’t mark you out as some sort of superior intellect, it shows you as something else.

I’m not religious. I went to church as a kid, bottom of St George’s Rd, near Ritzy, you’ll know it well. I don’t go anymore and haven’t since I had a choice when I was around 15. However, I don’t mock those who have faith. It’s their choice. Nor do I assume that every priest is a paedo, or every Muslim a jihadi / grooming gang member.

You had a rough experience, given the passion in your last paragraph it has clearly affected you more deeply than you’d care to admit. I’d suggest some form of counselling to get to the root of the issue, as ranting on a forum is not going to help you. However, if it’s just the “ hater” that sits in many from the mill towns, then my words would be a lot stronger to you.

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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Tonks

amongst many things this in particular caught my eye and I appreciate is off topic from the original thread purpose .......

“Most Europeans have moved on. They have accepted evolution. They don’t believe in religion.”

Have you ever been to France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, The Balkans, Poland, the Baltic states and of course Ireland.
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Religion still plays a significant part in all these countries.

Then of course we have the US and Latin America, both societies born largely of European descent and massively dictated by religion

[andymc]

It’s deep rooted misogyny and their faith backs it, whatever the denomination, I don’t know why Pakistanis are hugely over represented

[fido]

Pretty obvious I would have thought. The offenders take their backward culture from their homelands. It's not religion per se - it's mostly Pakistani-Muslim. You won't find Pakistani-Christian men involved, and you don't get Saudis or Malaysians for example doing this kind of thing.

[Alpinestars]

fido said:

Pretty obvious I would have thought. The offenders take their backward culture from their homelands. It's not religion per se - it's mostly Pakistani-Muslim. You won't find Pakistani-Christian men involved, and you don't get Saudis or Malaysians for example doing this kind of thing.

I think we’re now getting somewhere. I’d bet a lot of money on the wkers being deeply misogynistic, probably racist, and not particularly religious - which should be pretty obvious from their lifestyles.

Most of them (AFAIK) have origins from a particular region of Pakistan.

[anonymous-user]

Alpinestars said:

I think we’re now getting somewhere. I’d bet a lot of money on the wkers being deeply misogynistic, probably racist, and not particularly religious - which should be pretty obvious from their lifestyles.

Most of them (AFAIK) have origins from a particular region of Pakistan.

Mirpuri from Kashmir ?

[Time Fly]

Why have these turds still not been evicted from this country?
[url]
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9307241/rochdale-gro...

They all failed in their (payed by us) appeals yet they are still here to commit more crimes.

Perhaps the current Home Secretary doesn't have the bottle to enforce-ably remove this filth. Fellow countrymen and all that. Pathetic.

[Alpinestars]

Brooking10 said:

Alpinestars said:

I think we’re now getting somewhere. I’d bet a lot of money on the wkers being deeply misogynistic, probably racist, and not particularly religious - which should be pretty obvious from their lifestyles.

Most of them (AFAIK) have origins from a particular region of Pakistan.

Mirpuri from Kashmir ?

That’s my understanding.

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Lindun said:

stitched said:

Sigh.
There are groups of men in this country who think it is acceptable to groom and rape underage girls, I get that most sexual offenders do not belong to this socio economic and religious demographic however it is a worrying trend which is not being properly addressed as the community they are part of deny it is a problem and play the race/religion card.
It needs to be acknowledged and dealt with.

And how many times?

There are hundreds of other crimes being committed by another socio economic group. You are a member of that socio economic group. What are you doing about it?

When is this going to sink in? There are sickos the world over and they are from all walks of life. Just because these particular sickos meet your own prejudices against their background does not mean that the whole socio economic group are at fault.

You are choosing to make this about their religion. The vast majority of Muslims do not commit these crimes, yet you are painting a picture as if they do. Just as the vast majority of white Christians are not the same as those investigated under Operation Yew Tree.

Obviously I didn’t get my point across.
I accept most offenders are not from the group we are talking about.
Not much I can do about it other than report any problem I see.
The problem seems to be a reluctance within said community to report issues and temerity on the part of the authorities to engage as they fear the calls of racism or islamophobia.
A group from another demographic would be stopped sooner and I think this is an issue which needs addressing

[Lindun]

Time Fly said:

Why have these turds still not been evicted from this country?
[url]
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9307241/rochdale-gro...

They all failed in their (payed by us) appeals yet they are still here to commit more crimes.

Perhaps the current Home Secretary doesn't have the bottle to enforce-ably remove this filth. Fellow countrymen and all that. Pathetic.

It’s your comment that’s pathetic.

[Lindun]

stitched said:

Obviously I didn’t get my point across.
I accept most offenders are not from the group we are talking about.
Not much I can do about it other than report any problem I see.
The problem seems to be a reluctance within said community to report issues and temerity on the part of the authorities to engage as they fear the calls of racism or islamophobia.
A group from another demographic would be stopped sooner and I think this is an issue which needs addressing

The fear of racism aspect may well have been true in the past. The fact that all are now being investigated and prosecuted shows that the fear is no longer there. Most of these cases are historic, which doesn’t excuse anything, but it shows that we’re willing to go back and correct those wrongs.

[Countdown]

If it's a "because muslims" thing why is it almost wholly taxi drivers that seem to be involved? Why not groups of Pakistani doctors/ accountants/ newsagents/ dentists ?

I'm not sure how long ago this thread started but even after several years the same argument keeps getting forward, usually by the same people; that somehow this is linked to religion. It's got fk all to do with religion and everything to do with "a particular group of people" having power over young women. And throughout history there have been various different "particular groups of people" - RC priests has been mentioned, scoutmasters was a popular one when i was growing up, care homes were notorious for it, it was the same pattern; a group of people who had access to vulnerable people.

"Ah yes but no, that's a different kind of abuse....."

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Lindun said:

stitched said:

Obviously I didn’t get my point across.
I accept most offenders are not from the group we are talking about.
Not much I can do about it other than report any problem I see.
The problem seems to be a reluctance within said community to report issues and temerity on the part of the authorities to engage as they fear the calls of racism or islamophobia.
A group from another demographic would be stopped sooner and I think this is an issue which needs addressing

The fear of racism aspect may well have been true in the past. The fact that all are now being investigated and prosecuted shows that the fear is no longer there. Most of these cases are historic, which doesn’t excuse anything, but it shows that we’re willing to go back and correct those wrongs.

However in another area of the country are we sure sick groups will be engaged with regardless of their demographic?

[anonymous-user]

Countdown said:

If it's a "because muslims" thing why is it almost wholly taxi drivers that seem to be involved? Why not groups of Pakistani doctors/ accountants/ newsagents/ dentists ?

I'm not sure how long ago this thread started but even after several years the same argument keeps getting forward, usually by the same people; that somehow this is linked to religion. It's got fk all to do with religion and everything to do with "a particular group of people" having power over young women. And throughout history there have been various different "particular groups of people" - RC priests has been mentioned, scoutmasters was a popular one when i was growing up, care homes were notorious for it, it was the same pattern; a group of people who had access to vulnerable people.

"Ah yes but no, that's a different kind of abuse....."

That’s a good post

As in all cases of abuse It’s largely about exploitation of power and seizure of opportunity.

The cultural/religious aspects are, again like in other examples, used as a justification for the sick acts by the perpetrators. That’s what paedophiles and abusers do, they seek rationalisation for their depravity.

They aren’t a reflection of the teachings and wider adoption of a religion or the behaviours and attitudes of all Muslims or indeed all Pakistanis.

[Lindun]

stitched said:

However in another area of the country are we sure sick groups will be engaged with regardless of their demographic?

I don’t think it’s a question of whether it could be, more a question of whether it should be.

It feels like you want to say something, but for some reason are skirting around the edges. I’d happily answer a direct question rather than answer it as above.

[Digga]

Countdown said:

If it's a "because muslims" thing why is it almost wholly taxi drivers that seem to be involved? Why not groups of Pakistani doctors/ accountants/ newsagents/ dentists ?

It was mostly people within that occupation, but Yorkshire police are investigating 92 complaints against serving officers (not all Asian or Muslim I should add) relating to the cases: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/they-kn...