another abuse gang

[Digga]

freakybacon said:

Meanwhile..Telford. Convictions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-5...

And one of them deported to Pakistan - a note for those who think that does not happen.

[bitchstewie]

lyonspride said:

Within two weeks of that, he was wiped off every social media platform and dragged into court for another trial, more recently they had trials to ban him from football matches, even though he's never caused trouble. The process of going through all this is how they are punishing him, hundreds of thousands in court costs etc etc etc.

Basically don't f**K with the state propaganda machine.

It would have to be quite the conspiracy wouldn't it?

Do you think it may be more likely that he isn't a very pleasant person and some of those platforms that have banned him have done so because they don't want to be associated with him?

That sounds simpler.

[lyonspride]

bhstewie said:

lyonspride said:

Within two weeks of that, he was wiped off every social media platform and dragged into court for another trial, more recently they had trials to ban him from football matches, even though he's never caused trouble. The process of going through all this is how they are punishing him, hundreds of thousands in court costs etc etc etc.

Basically don't f**K with the state propaganda machine.

It would have to be quite the conspiracy wouldn't it?

Do you think it may be more likely that he isn't a very pleasant person and some of those platforms that have banned him have done so because they don't want to be associated with him?

That sounds simpler.

Well Google refused to ban him from Youtube as he hadn't done anything wrong, so within a few days the media started kicking Youtube in the teeth with story after story of Youtube horrors, momo challenge, etc etc etc.

That's one hell of coincidence heh?

I don't like they guy, the way he speaks, his mannerisms, he annoys me, and I really wish I could hate him, but I can't find anything, any real evidence that he's the monster people make him out to be, i've him getting into fights and each time it was more that amply provoked. As someone who's been vilified for no reason at all and felt the effects of that on my work life and personal life, i'm not about to just fall in line and take peoples word on the subject.

[rscott]

lyonspride said:

Well Google refused to ban him from Youtube as he hadn't done anything wrong, so within a few days the media started kicking Youtube in the teeth with story after story of Youtube horrors, momo challenge, etc etc etc.

That's one hell of coincidence heh?

I don't like they guy, the way he speaks, his mannerisms, he annoys me, and I really wish I could hate him, but I can't find anything, any real evidence that he's the monster people make him out to be, i've him getting into fights and each time it was more that amply provoked. As someone who's been vilified for no reason at all and felt the effects of that on my work life and personal life, i'm not about to just fall in line and take peoples word on the subject.

He's in court over a football banning order because he took offence at what someone said to him and punched them. He wasn't physically threatened at all, but still took a swing anyway.

Also back in court because he's being sued for libel. Could cost his several hundred thousand.

Oh and he failed in his bid to sue the police after refusing to leave a pub - that cost him £25k or so.

[amusingduck]

lyonspride said:

Well Google refused to ban him from Youtube as he hadn't done anything wrong, so within a few days the media started kicking Youtube in the teeth with story after story of Youtube horrors, momo challenge, etc etc etc.

That's one hell of coincidence heh?

..........................no

It is quite an impressively awful joining of the dots though, so hats off for that

[Jazzy Jag]

Digga said:

freakybacon said:

Meanwhile..Telford. Convictions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-5...

And one of them deported to Pakistan - a note for those who think that does not happen.

Thats One in how many?

Where is he now?
Back in the UK illegally or still in Pakistan?


I'm not saying that deportation doesn't happen, but it doesn't appear to happen often enough and our borders seem to be so soft that anyone deported seems to be able to walk right back in.

We have seen cases where previously deported people have been arrested again for crimes in the UK.

[Digga]

Jazzy Jag said:

Digga said:

freakybacon said:

Meanwhile..Telford. Convictions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-5...

And one of them deported to Pakistan - a note for those who think that does not happen.

Thats One in how many?

Where is he now?
Back in the UK illegally or still in Pakistan?


I'm not saying that deportation doesn't happen, but it doesn't appear to happen often enough and our borders seem to be so soft that anyone deported seems to be able to walk right back in.

We have seen cases where previously deported people have been arrested again for crimes in the UK.

To my mind, this is one of the core issues with "immigration" in the UK and, no doubt, a significant driver of the Brexit vote to remove us from the EU's absurd policies.

It has never made sense to me that we rightly take refugees but then, due to lack or care or competence, also seem to take in their persecutors too.

A recent case in point: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-ea...

Similarly, importing criminals - wherever they are from - needs to stop.

[Countdown]

Jazzy Jag said:

Thats One in how many?

Where is he now?
Back in the UK illegally or still in Pakistan?


I'm not saying that deportation doesn't happen, but it doesn't appear to happen often enough and our borders seem to be so soft that anyone deported seems to be able to walk right back in.

We have seen cases where previously deported people have been arrested again for crimes in the UK.

With regards to deportation - it can only happen where the Offender has another nationality. AFAICS most of the grooming gangs are UK born/bred so (unless they have close family in Pakistan, or make regular visits there) they won't have a Pakistani passport, so they can't be deported.

[freakybacon]

Meanwhile, here is the suffering of one of the victims.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/22/gi...

[rscott]

freakybacon said:

Meanwhile, here is the suffering of one of the victims.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/22/gi...

Shows the entire system seems to have let her down at every opportunity.
Reading that and other similar stories shows how easy it seems to have been for this evil men to do what they did - the victims seem to have been considered worthless by the system which was supposed to have looked after them.

[jakesmith]

rscott said:

Shows the entire system seems to have let her down at every opportunity.
Reading that and other similar stories shows how easy it seems to have been for this evil men to do what they did - the victims seem to have been considered worthless by the system which was supposed to have looked after them.

Nail head mate, rotton to the core

‘I’ve heard similar issues from other constituents,’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6713063/C...

[rscott]

jakesmith said:

rscott said:

Shows the entire system seems to have let her down at every opportunity.
Reading that and other similar stories shows how easy it seems to have been for this evil men to do what they did - the victims seem to have been considered worthless by the system which was supposed to have looked after them.

Nail head mate, rotton to the core

‘I’ve heard similar issues from other constituents,’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6713063/C...

Nicely diverted from the subject of the thread - seems to be a special skill of yours.

[jakesmith]

rscott said:

jakesmith said:

rscott said:

Shows the entire system seems to have let her down at every opportunity.
Reading that and other similar stories shows how easy it seems to have been for this evil men to do what they did - the victims seem to have been considered worthless by the system which was supposed to have looked after them.

Nail head mate, rotton to the core

‘I’ve heard similar issues from other constituents,’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6713063/C...

Nicely diverted from the subject of the thread - seems to be a special skill of yours.

Oh dear. And your blaming of the system, the entire system, victims were worthless by the system etc, which made it so easy for these evil men isn't a diversion at all is it. Feels like you attribute equal or even more blame to the system than than the perpetrators for allowing it to take place, as though it's completely expected for predatory men to groom and rape children and only a good system can prevent it.
You are one step away from saying that the perpetrators are in some way victims of the system that allowed them to offend too easily

[rscott]

jakesmith said:

rscott said:

jakesmith said:

rscott said:

Shows the entire system seems to have let her down at every opportunity.
Reading that and other similar stories shows how easy it seems to have been for this evil men to do what they did - the victims seem to have been considered worthless by the system which was supposed to have looked after them.

Nail head mate, rotton to the core

‘I’ve heard similar issues from other constituents,’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6713063/C...

Nicely diverted from the subject of the thread - seems to be a special skill of yours.

Oh dear. And your blaming of the system, the entire system, victims were worthless by the system etc, which made it so easy for these evil men isn't a diversion at all is it. Feels like you attribute equal or even more blame to the system than than the perpetrators for allowing it to take place, as though it's completely expected for predatory men to groom and rape children and only a good system can prevent it.
You are one step away from saying that the perpetrators are in some way victims of the system that allowed them to offend too easily

Yet again you demonstrate either a spectacular inability to comprehend English or are simply trolling.

I pointed out the entire system had failed them - both social services and police - giving the opportunity for the sick bds to commit their crimes. I never claimed the victims were worthless either - that's another sign you appear to have comprehension issues.

You post a 10 month old link about claimed inaction by one politician and try to compare that to the proven failings by the police and social services elsewhere. Anyone would think you just wanted to stick the knife into a failed, incompetent party leader.

[jakesmith]

rscott said:

I never claimed the victims were worthless either - that's another sign you appear to have comprehension issues.

I didn't say you said the victims were worthless, I said that that was part of your attack on 'the system' - here you go:

rscott said:

the victims seem to have been considered worthless by the system

Maybe you're the one with comprehension issues RStoat? I only joined this thread to agree with you for goodness' sake. I didn't realise it would make you into such an angry wasp. I will not be drawn into any further petty nonsense by your antagonistic attitude especially not on a serious subject.

[Countdown]

jakesmith said:

Oh dear. And your blaming of the system, the entire system, victims were worthless by the system etc, which made it so easy for these evil men isn't a diversion at all is it. Feels like you attribute equal or even more blame to the system than than the perpetrators for allowing it to take place, as though it's completely expected for predatory men to groom and rape children and only a good system can prevent it.
You are one step away from saying that the perpetrators are in some way victims of the system that allowed them to offend too easily

A tad confused......you posted a link which suggests that it's all Corbyn's fault (naturally), agreeing with RScott that the system was culpable. But now you seem to be arguing that blaming the system is some sort of diversion from the real culprits (ie the victims).

Do you realise it's possible for both to be at fault?

[jakesmith]

Countdown said:

jakesmith said:

Oh dear. And your blaming of the system, the entire system, victims were worthless by the system etc, which made it so easy for these evil men isn't a diversion at all is it. Feels like you attribute equal or even more blame to the system than than the perpetrators for allowing it to take place, as though it's completely expected for predatory men to groom and rape children and only a good system can prevent it.
You are one step away from saying that the perpetrators are in some way victims of the system that allowed them to offend too easily

A tad confused......you posted a link which suggests that it's all Corbyn's fault (naturally), agreeing with RScott that the system was culpable. But now you seem to be arguing that blaming the system is some sort of diversion from the real culprits (ie the victims).

Do you realise it's possible for both to be at fault?

Of course you're right & thanks for pointing it out - so in priority order, I mainly blame the rapists, then the system of which Corbyn was a part, what a useless I mean read that article about his inaction in fact apathy, he was told children were being raped wholesale by council workers and didn't lift a finger to do anything about it. Thanks.

[Countdown]

jakesmith said:

Of course you're right & thanks for pointing it out - so in priority order, I mainly blame the rapists, then the system of which Corbyn was a part, what a useless I mean read that article about his inaction in fact apathy, he was told children were being raped wholesale by council workers and didn't lift a finger to do anything about it. Thanks.

I agree with the first bit.

In relation to the bit about Corbyn; the grooming gangs that are the main subject of this thread weren't the ones that that the Daily Mail references. I have no idea how much power/influence/control Corbyn had over Local Authority care homes but it seems a bit biased to be picking on him when you could accuse every single MP in whose constituency child abuse happened of the same thing. You may as well accuse the Prime Minister of being complicit or at fault but it would be silly/pointless because their day-to-day job isn't Child Protection.

[jakesmith]

Countdown said:

I agree with the first bit.

In relation to the bit about Corbyn; the grooming gangs that are the main subject of this thread weren't the ones that that the Daily Mail references. I have no idea how much power/influence/control Corbyn had over Local Authority care homes but it seems a bit biased to be picking on him when you could accuse every single MP in whose constituency child abuse happened of the same thing. You may as well accuse the Prime Minister of being complicit or at fault but it would be silly/pointless because their day-to-day job isn't Child Protection.

I agree with your first bit too, I'm making a general point about 'the system' that has failed so many. I will pick on another MP shortly in response to your second point. Thanks.

[Keoparakolo]

Digga said:

Jazzy Jag said:

Digga said:

freakybacon said:

Meanwhile..Telford. Convictions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-5...

And one of them deported to Pakistan - a note for those who think that does not happen.

Thats One in how many?

Where is he now?
Back in the UK illegally or still in Pakistan?


I'm not saying that deportation doesn't happen, but it doesn't appear to happen often enough and our borders seem to be so soft that anyone deported seems to be able to walk right back in.

We have seen cases where previously deported people have been arrested again for crimes in the UK.

To my mind, this is one of the core issues with "immigration" in the UK and, no doubt, a significant driver of the Brexit vote to remove us from the EU's absurd policies.

It has never made sense to me that we rightly take refugees but then, due to lack or care or competence, also seem to take in their persecutors too.

A recent case in point: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-ea...

Similarly, importing criminals - wherever they are from - needs to stop.

Not to belittle the anguish of the poor girl in this story as it must have been horrific for her, but one anecdote doesn’t prove that it’s happening on a wider scale.

The UK deports c25000 a people a year, around a third of them are forced ie after a prison sentence. How many of them get back to commit more crimes? Probably nowhere near what some would have you believe. We don’t have soft or open borders.

All systems are flawed to some extent. Most processes are built with an acceptable failure rate built in whilst one innocent suffering is unacceptable on a human level on a national scale it will be within tolerances.

The calls for deportation are mainly from people who see someone with brown skin and immediately assume they’re foreign which is rarely the case with these scumbag gangs. It suits the rhetoric and outrage though.

A lot of the “knowledge” people profess to have around borders and deportation comes from memes and Facebook bks. It suits them to maintain that “knowledge” though even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.