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freakybacon said:
More than a little worrying that it wasn't until 2013 before grooming was a consideration in referrals to social care.Concerning figures for Gloucestershire and Surrey too - these seem to be areas not mentioned previously.
rscott said:
freakybacon said:
More than a little worrying that it wasn't until 2013 before grooming was a consideration in referrals to social care.Concerning figures for Gloucestershire and Surrey too - these seem to be areas not mentioned previously.
My view for some time has been the initial cases - in the North - were merely the top of the iceberg. I also feel that links to the (now very much mainstream) County Lines investigation were more important and prevalent than first understood. Overlapping subsets of a broader picture of a use and criminal intent
County lines has only been a policing priority for a few years as far as I can see on the news. These grooming gang stories have been going on a lot longer. And before the recent trend of Pakistani / Bangladeshi male gangs was reported on, the abuse in care homes seems even more grim as these were institutions set up to look after the most vulnerable of all and it would appear that pedophiles would specifically go to work there to prey on these poor children.
I don’t think the political will was there to do anything before - just sweep it under the carpet, or vested interests between police and councils perhaps. That’s the flavour I get reading about it now
With the Asian gangs there was possibly political correctness preventing some from acting but how much of a factor that was I don’t know. It’s clear that a great many people and agencies didn’t help so it can’t just be that.
Grooming is not a new phenomenon but has only been defined in law recently. The first grooming laws I believe are about 15 years old. Digital laws are more recent. So it is not necessarily something that has been properly understood for a long time - As an example on the Epstein thread someone said the 17 year old victim was smiling in that photo with Andrew. As such she was not a victim. The understanding of coercion and control in exploitation is obviously what it could be
With this in mind I think a lot of these now shocking earlier cases were probably looked at as not prosecutable as they may have predated a fuller understanding of grooming by the cps or police and as such the police would have said they were consensual, not in public interest to prosecute or likely to suceed etc
Just my thoughts as a layman and casual observer and as always very happy to be wrong.
I don’t think the political will was there to do anything before - just sweep it under the carpet, or vested interests between police and councils perhaps. That’s the flavour I get reading about it now
With the Asian gangs there was possibly political correctness preventing some from acting but how much of a factor that was I don’t know. It’s clear that a great many people and agencies didn’t help so it can’t just be that.
Grooming is not a new phenomenon but has only been defined in law recently. The first grooming laws I believe are about 15 years old. Digital laws are more recent. So it is not necessarily something that has been properly understood for a long time - As an example on the Epstein thread someone said the 17 year old victim was smiling in that photo with Andrew. As such she was not a victim. The understanding of coercion and control in exploitation is obviously what it could be
With this in mind I think a lot of these now shocking earlier cases were probably looked at as not prosecutable as they may have predated a fuller understanding of grooming by the cps or police and as such the police would have said they were consensual, not in public interest to prosecute or likely to suceed etc
Just my thoughts as a layman and casual observer and as always very happy to be wrong.
freakybacon said:
At least it isn't 100% Pakistanis this time...Vaqaas Abbas, 30, charged with three counts of rape and three of supplying a class C drug
Nadeem Adalat, 34, charged with four counts of rape and four counts of supplying a class C drug
Sajid Adalat, 43, charged with rape
Waseem Adalat, 33, charged with two counts of rape, trafficking and supplying a class C drug
Amjad Ditta, 35, charged with sexual touching
Christopher Eastwood, 45, charged with two counts of rape and two counts of supplying a class C drug
Mahtab Islam, 46, charged with five counts of rape, three of supplying a class A drug, three of supplying a class C drug, two of sexual assault and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice
Mohammed Rizwan Iqbal, 34, charged with rape
Ishtiaq Latif, 32, charged with sexual activity with a child
Asad Mahmood, 33, charged with two counts of rape and trafficking
Khalifa Mughal, 36, is charged with six counts of rape, supply of a class C drug, supply of a class A drug and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice
Younis Mohammed, 34, is charged with rape and causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent
Nadeem Nassir, 39, charged with rape, supply of a class C drug and making threats to kill
Shahzad Nowaz, 40, charged with rape, supply of a class C drug and making threats to kill
Shazad Nazir, 44, charged with two counts of rape and two counts of supplying a class C drug
Sohail Zafar, 36, charged with rape and supplying a class C drug
Enlighten me please
I can't find the results of the trial of Lord Ahmed of Rotherham
The case was set for early December with an expected duration of 2 weeks, so should have ended by now
On trial for 2 attempted rapes of 13 year olds. Also charged for various child offences his 2 brothers.
I can't find the results of the trial of Lord Ahmed of Rotherham
The case was set for early December with an expected duration of 2 weeks, so should have ended by now
On trial for 2 attempted rapes of 13 year olds. Also charged for various child offences his 2 brothers.
voyds9 said:
Enlighten me please
I can't find the results of the trial of Lord Ahmed of Rotherham
The case was set for early December with an expected duration of 2 weeks, so should have ended by now
On trial for 2 attempted rapes of 13 year olds. Also charged for various child offences his 2 brothers.
Googling his name gave this.I can't find the results of the trial of Lord Ahmed of Rotherham
The case was set for early December with an expected duration of 2 weeks, so should have ended by now
On trial for 2 attempted rapes of 13 year olds. Also charged for various child offences his 2 brothers.
Delayed until July because his QC is ill - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co....
Dromedary66 said:
At least it isn't 100% Pakistanis this time...
Vaqaas Abbas, 30, charged with three counts of rape and three of supplying a class C drug
Nadeem Adalat, 34, charged with four counts of rape and four counts of supplying a class C drug
Sajid Adalat, 43, charged with rape
Waseem Adalat, 33, charged with two counts of rape, trafficking and supplying a class C drug
Amjad Ditta, 35, charged with sexual touching
Christopher Eastwood, 45, charged with two counts of rape and two counts of supplying a class C drug
Mahtab Islam, 46, charged with five counts of rape, three of supplying a class A drug, three of supplying a class C drug, two of sexual assault and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice
Mohammed Rizwan Iqbal, 34, charged with rape
Ishtiaq Latif, 32, charged with sexual activity with a child
Asad Mahmood, 33, charged with two counts of rape and trafficking
Khalifa Mughal, 36, is charged with six counts of rape, supply of a class C drug, supply of a class A drug and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice
Younis Mohammed, 34, is charged with rape and causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent
Nadeem Nassir, 39, charged with rape, supply of a class C drug and making threats to kill
Shahzad Nowaz, 40, charged with rape, supply of a class C drug and making threats to kill
Shazad Nazir, 44, charged with two counts of rape and two counts of supplying a class C drug
Sohail Zafar, 36, charged with rape and supplying a class C drug
I can't find the bit in the BBC article quoted where it gives their nationalities, so I'd have assumed that they're all Brits.Vaqaas Abbas, 30, charged with three counts of rape and three of supplying a class C drug
Nadeem Adalat, 34, charged with four counts of rape and four counts of supplying a class C drug
Sajid Adalat, 43, charged with rape
Waseem Adalat, 33, charged with two counts of rape, trafficking and supplying a class C drug
Amjad Ditta, 35, charged with sexual touching
Christopher Eastwood, 45, charged with two counts of rape and two counts of supplying a class C drug
Mahtab Islam, 46, charged with five counts of rape, three of supplying a class A drug, three of supplying a class C drug, two of sexual assault and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice
Mohammed Rizwan Iqbal, 34, charged with rape
Ishtiaq Latif, 32, charged with sexual activity with a child
Asad Mahmood, 33, charged with two counts of rape and trafficking
Khalifa Mughal, 36, is charged with six counts of rape, supply of a class C drug, supply of a class A drug and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice
Younis Mohammed, 34, is charged with rape and causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent
Nadeem Nassir, 39, charged with rape, supply of a class C drug and making threats to kill
Shahzad Nowaz, 40, charged with rape, supply of a class C drug and making threats to kill
Shazad Nazir, 44, charged with two counts of rape and two counts of supplying a class C drug
Sohail Zafar, 36, charged with rape and supplying a class C drug
rscott said:
Googling his name gave this.
Delayed until July because his QC is ill - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co....
Thank you all I had been able to find were early reports of previous delays.Delayed until July because his QC is ill - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co....
rscott said:
voyds9 said:
Enlighten me please
I can't find the results of the trial of Lord Ahmed of Rotherham
The case was set for early December with an expected duration of 2 weeks, so should have ended by now
On trial for 2 attempted rapes of 13 year olds. Also charged for various child offences his 2 brothers.
Googling his name gave this.I can't find the results of the trial of Lord Ahmed of Rotherham
The case was set for early December with an expected duration of 2 weeks, so should have ended by now
On trial for 2 attempted rapes of 13 year olds. Also charged for various child offences his 2 brothers.
Delayed until July because his QC is ill - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yorkshirepost.co....
Oxford. Guilty.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-...
Sheffield again. Ongoing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-...
Sheffield again. Ongoing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
Manchester.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-14/child-victims-...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gr...
Poor Victoria Agoglia.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-14/child-victims-...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gr...
Poor Victoria Agoglia.
freakybacon said:
Manchester.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-14/child-victims-...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gr...
Poor Victoria Agoglia.
Newsnight particularly shocking. https://www.itv.com/news/2020-01-14/child-victims-...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gr...
Poor Victoria Agoglia.
Rochdale social services still refusing to cooperate.
This activity is still ongoing.
Care system still a shambles.
Governmental research on cultural problems within the Pakistani community unpublished (though there was plenty of indication that it was not restricted to that community from the profile of those so far convicted).
Lack of budget/resources for this.
I suspect we’ll be seeing this effluent a decade from now unless these are addressed.
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