another abuse gang
Discussion
freakybacon said:
It’s hiding stuff that raises the hatred. It’s high time we stopped fannying around and clearly call out the cultural failings for what they are.
BMW A6 said:
They're not grooming, but they are shooting and killing tens of people at a time, on shooting sprees.
Yes I knew it would happen. One nutter in Germany kills ten. Imagine if hundreds of infidels had been killed over a number of years and all of a sudden someone got triggered.
Strange thing is, I’m not worried or scared of the far right but I have cancelled all our European trips to certain festivals due to heightened risk and our new holiday plans are designed to follow a lower risk approach
freakybacon said:
So keeping the facts hidden because it's not in the public's interest to know about it?How interesting that they should make that decision on our behalf. Sounds more like an inconvenient truth, for them.
Guybrush said:
So keeping the facts hidden because it's not in the public's interest to know about it?
How interesting that they should make that decision on our behalf. Sounds more like an inconvenient truth, for them.
Can only be a damage limitation exercise to protect the prevailing narrative and hide the truth.How interesting that they should make that decision on our behalf. Sounds more like an inconvenient truth, for them.
Its not a good look at all.
Guybrush said:
freakybacon said:
So keeping the facts hidden because it's not in the public's interest to know about it?How interesting that they should make that decision on our behalf. Sounds more like an inconvenient truth, for them.
andymc said:
Why is their press reporting restrictions?
Several reasons.1. Defendants may be due to be prosecuted in a separate trial.
2. Identifying the defendant could identify the victim.
3. Identifying the defendant may compromise related trials of other accused.
If it's the first or third, then their identities are usually made public at the end of all trials.
My input on this is that the original findings in the Times piqued my interest and then for some reason Yaxley Lennon also did, not from what he represents or says but from the odd nugget of truth he says in his rants.
Regardless of what he stands for, he has made this become more mainstream and highlighted issues in a very blunt and silly way.
It is now unable to brushed under carpets by media or the officials, and he is a small reason why as the press he garnered was about this, in a way, aswell as his rather weird attempts to highlight it.
There is no such thing as bad publicity after all, and if nothing else his reputation forced the media to talk about something they may not have wanted to talk about, and that is a good thing.
Regardless of what he stands for, he has made this become more mainstream and highlighted issues in a very blunt and silly way.
It is now unable to brushed under carpets by media or the officials, and he is a small reason why as the press he garnered was about this, in a way, aswell as his rather weird attempts to highlight it.
There is no such thing as bad publicity after all, and if nothing else his reputation forced the media to talk about something they may not have wanted to talk about, and that is a good thing.
freakybacon said:
Good to see cases going way back, hopefully an indication that these types of deplorable crimes are startingto be taken very seriously with the perpetrators being brought to justice regardless of how long ago it was,
regardless of their religion, regardless of whether they are white, Asian or any other factor used as an excuse.....
Depraved acts of child abuse by an adult Human being has NO excuse whatsoever.
Human being.......Abuse Children.... You're going to Jail.
Received this from local police force's neighbourhood watch channel:
This also indicates to me, there is a huge amount more to come in terms of prosecutions.
Staffordshire Police said:
Working alongside Stoke-on-Trent City Council and Staffordshire County Council, particularly Children’s Services, the operation has two aims – to arrest members of organised crime gangs who target young and vulnerable people, but also to identify young people who are at risk of criminality and to help divert them away from criminal exploitation.
It also involves educating children and highlighting the dangers and consequences of being involved in gang culture, violence or drugs.
County lines is a way to describe a specific type of criminal exploitation – this is where gangs and organised crime networks exploit children to sell drugs. They are often forced to travel to different counties, and they use dedicated mobile phone lines of ‘deal lines’ to sell these drugs.
Gangs deliberately target children – some as young as 12 – and these children are often groomed, deceived or threatened into carrying and selling drugs for them.
Dealers typically use a single phone line to facilitate the supply of Class A drugs – frequently heroin and crack cocaine - to customers. The line becomes a valuable brand and is protected with violence and intimidation.
Common signs to look out for which could indicate that a person is involved in county lines and possible drug dealing:
* Change in emotional wellbeing (e.g. secretive, withdrawn, aggressive, emotional)
* An increase in anti-social behaviour
* Missing episodes from home or school
* Receiving more texts or calls than usual
* Substance misuse and/or drug paraphernalia
* Unexplained, sometimes unaffordable new things (e.g clothes, jewellery, cash)
* Isolation from peers
* May be carrying a weapon
* Unexplained injuries
* The following signs suggest that someone could be a victim of cuckooing:
* An increase in anti-social behaviour
* Other people seen inside the house or flat who don’t normally live there
* People coming and going from the property at all hours
* More taxis and cars than usual appearing at the property
* Not seeing the person who lives there as frequently
* When you do see the occupant, they may appear anxious or distracted
Whilst all of the above is commendable, I find it odd that there is no suggestion that there is crossover between drug related and sexual abuse related grooming and criminality. To my mind, I cannot help but feel there must be a significant overlap?It also involves educating children and highlighting the dangers and consequences of being involved in gang culture, violence or drugs.
County lines is a way to describe a specific type of criminal exploitation – this is where gangs and organised crime networks exploit children to sell drugs. They are often forced to travel to different counties, and they use dedicated mobile phone lines of ‘deal lines’ to sell these drugs.
Gangs deliberately target children – some as young as 12 – and these children are often groomed, deceived or threatened into carrying and selling drugs for them.
Dealers typically use a single phone line to facilitate the supply of Class A drugs – frequently heroin and crack cocaine - to customers. The line becomes a valuable brand and is protected with violence and intimidation.
Common signs to look out for which could indicate that a person is involved in county lines and possible drug dealing:
* Change in emotional wellbeing (e.g. secretive, withdrawn, aggressive, emotional)
* An increase in anti-social behaviour
* Missing episodes from home or school
* Receiving more texts or calls than usual
* Substance misuse and/or drug paraphernalia
* Unexplained, sometimes unaffordable new things (e.g clothes, jewellery, cash)
* Isolation from peers
* May be carrying a weapon
* Unexplained injuries
* The following signs suggest that someone could be a victim of cuckooing:
* An increase in anti-social behaviour
* Other people seen inside the house or flat who don’t normally live there
* People coming and going from the property at all hours
* More taxis and cars than usual appearing at the property
* Not seeing the person who lives there as frequently
* When you do see the occupant, they may appear anxious or distracted
This also indicates to me, there is a huge amount more to come in terms of prosecutions.
3 of those convicted in Rotherham had their British citizenship revoked in 2018, yet the Home Office have made no efforts to deport them.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rochda...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rochda...
rscott said:
3 of those convicted in Rotherham had their British citizenship revoked in 2018, yet the Home Office have made no efforts to deport them.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rochda...
Further trauma for the victims seeing these pariahs again. Surprised they weren’t lynched in prison. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rochda...
Alpinestars said:
rscott said:
3 of those convicted in Rotherham had their British citizenship revoked in 2018, yet the Home Office have made no efforts to deport them.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rochda...
Further trauma for the victims seeing these pariahs again. Surprised they weren’t lynched in prison. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rochda...
What it also highlights are the severe difficulties - dare I say the institutional ignorance - of the difficulties of integrating (often traumatised and brutalised) people from war ravaged developing nations into Western liberal democracies. We're bad enough at bringing our own ex-service men and women back into civilian life.
Digga said:
Agreed. I also note all five of those convicted last week in Sheffield were Kurdish. It's very difficult to see how, given real humanitarian concerns in that region, they could be deported either.
What it also highlights are the severe difficulties - dare I say the institutional ignorance - of the difficulties of integrating (often traumatised and brutalised) people from war ravaged developing nations into Western liberal democracies. We're bad enough at bringing our own ex-service men and women back into civilian life.
On the other side of the argument is that when someone has found a place of peace from a, no doubt very dangerous and harrowing place, why on earth come here and commit such heinous crimes. Particularly in cases where their own wives and daughters might have been left behind, possibly suffering, or maybe even having suffered sexual abuse from their enemies. Staggering. What it also highlights are the severe difficulties - dare I say the institutional ignorance - of the difficulties of integrating (often traumatised and brutalised) people from war ravaged developing nations into Western liberal democracies. We're bad enough at bringing our own ex-service men and women back into civilian life.
Not deporting those we can is a big big f
k up imv. Off topic slightly (and couldn't see any other threads covering it) but our anti grooming gang hero Tommy Robinson is in court in April for assault.
Allegedly assaulting a fella who groped his 8yr old daughter while holidaying in center parks.
There are restrictions on what can be shared by him but there was a group of men in the children's pool at the time.
I'm not a betting man but....
Allegedly assaulting a fella who groped his 8yr old daughter while holidaying in center parks.
There are restrictions on what can be shared by him but there was a group of men in the children's pool at the time.
I'm not a betting man but....
Alpinestars said:
Digga said:
Agreed. I also note all five of those convicted last week in Sheffield were Kurdish. It's very difficult to see how, given real humanitarian concerns in that region, they could be deported either.
What it also highlights are the severe difficulties - dare I say the institutional ignorance - of the difficulties of integrating (often traumatised and brutalised) people from war ravaged developing nations into Western liberal democracies. We're bad enough at bringing our own ex-service men and women back into civilian life.
On the other side of the argument is that when someone has found a place of peace from a, no doubt very dangerous and harrowing place, why on earth come here and commit such heinous crimes. Particularly in cases where their own wives and daughters might have been left behind, possibly suffering, or maybe even having suffered sexual abuse from their enemies. Staggering. What it also highlights are the severe difficulties - dare I say the institutional ignorance - of the difficulties of integrating (often traumatised and brutalised) people from war ravaged developing nations into Western liberal democracies. We're bad enough at bringing our own ex-service men and women back into civilian life.
Not deporting those we can is a big big f
k up imv. rscott said:
3 of those convicted in Rotherham had their British citizenship revoked in 2018, yet the Home Office have made no efforts to deport them.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rochda...
Wow. I am genuinely astonished at this. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rochda...
Oxford. “There are a lot of men who have escaped justice.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-...
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