another abuse gang
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Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
They aren't devout, they are picking the bits they like and ignoring other bits...eg alcohol.
That doesn't mean that they aren't devout, it means that they are imperfect. Devout means going to the mosque, praying several times a day, celebrating the religious festivals and so on.freakybacon said:
Sweepstake on this one?I’ll go with Methodists.
I must admit it is encouraging that the public services involved with protecting children from sexual predation appear to have woken up after so long to what their role is.
I'd really like to see the social workers, care home staff and even police who ignored these crimes brought to account as well.
Pakistani communities are still guilty of turning a blind eye to reprehensible behaviour within their communities, if we crack that attitude, reticence to inform outside the community we'll be well on the way to sorting this.
Still too little too late for the young girls treated this way, the British do not have a spotless past, we talk about Mohammed as a paedophile, how many kings of England took child brides for political reasons?
Our culture developed and we no longer tolerate such behaviour openly, kiddy rapes in North Wales suggest our Elite thought themselves above this, Cyril Smith, Jimmy Saville? FFS the leading light of childline knew exactly what his active propensities were.
A lot of focus needs to be on Pakistani grooming gangs, personally I'd want them removed from society until they move on from middle ages mentalities, however don't lose focus on the Epsteins of this world, they do not just walk among us, not him thank f
k, they have serious money and power.
I'd really like to see the social workers, care home staff and even police who ignored these crimes brought to account as well.
Pakistani communities are still guilty of turning a blind eye to reprehensible behaviour within their communities, if we crack that attitude, reticence to inform outside the community we'll be well on the way to sorting this.
Still too little too late for the young girls treated this way, the British do not have a spotless past, we talk about Mohammed as a paedophile, how many kings of England took child brides for political reasons?
Our culture developed and we no longer tolerate such behaviour openly, kiddy rapes in North Wales suggest our Elite thought themselves above this, Cyril Smith, Jimmy Saville? FFS the leading light of childline knew exactly what his active propensities were.
A lot of focus needs to be on Pakistani grooming gangs, personally I'd want them removed from society until they move on from middle ages mentalities, however don't lose focus on the Epsteins of this world, they do not just walk among us, not him thank f
k, they have serious money and power.There is a racial element to these crimes as well they are not only sexual crimes but ones driven by a culture that says these white girls are beneath them and therefore "fair game" so they are also driven by racial hate.
It's a hideous culture that allows that kind of thinking, but it has been allowed to fester in these opaque communities and often ignored when seen, those that turned a blind eye should also face justice.
Wills2 said:
There is a racial element to these crimes as well they are not only sexual crimes but ones driven by a culture that says these white girls are beneath them and therefore "fair game" so they are also driven by racial hate.
It's a hideous culture that allows that kind of thinking, but it has been allowed to fester in these opaque communities and often ignored when seen, those that turned a blind eye should also face justice.
The Public Services that looked the other way, or failed to stop it previously did so because it was not their children, it was children from the wrong side of the town, or not children from their class and their part of town?It's a hideous culture that allows that kind of thinking, but it has been allowed to fester in these opaque communities and often ignored when seen, those that turned a blind eye should also face justice.
So there's a race and a class angle?
It's basically a white caste system in Britain.
It's a white caste system that is less discriminatory, offensive or wrong than other such caste structures that happen in other Countries and other races.
Edited by carinaman on Friday 30th July 23:22
carinaman said:
The Public Services that looked the other way, or failed to stop it previously did so because it was not their children, it was children from the wrong side of the town, or not children from their class and their part of town?
So there's a race and a class angle?
It's basically a white caste system in Britain.
It's a white caste system that is less discriminatory, offensive or wrong than other such caste structures that happen in other Countries and other races.
Yes, I think you have hit the nail on the head. With regard to these multiple grooming gang crimes and the tens of thousands of victims, the majority of whom have been white girls from an underpriveleged background, the establishment deliberately looked the other way, even resorting to victim blaming. Many politicitians to this day do not want to discuss the ethnicity of the criminals, because they rely heavily on certain demographics for votes.So there's a race and a class angle?
It's basically a white caste system in Britain.
It's a white caste system that is less discriminatory, offensive or wrong than other such caste structures that happen in other Countries and other races.
Edited by carinaman on Friday 30th July 23:22
The criminals even referred in court to the victims as "trash" and "kafirs".
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/white-women-are...
https://news.sky.com/story/sex-abuse-gangs-view-wh...
carinaman said:
The Public Services that looked the other way, or failed to stop it previously did so because it was not their children, it was children from the wrong side of the town, or not children from their class and their part of town?
So there's a race and a class angle?
It's basically a white caste system in Britain.
It's a white caste system that is less discriminatory, offensive or wrong than other such caste structures that happen in other Countries and other races.
I think that is partly true, but I think the biggest reason no one in authority has tacked this abuse properly is the fear of being called racist.So there's a race and a class angle?
It's basically a white caste system in Britain.
It's a white caste system that is less discriminatory, offensive or wrong than other such caste structures that happen in other Countries and other races.
Edited by carinaman on Friday 30th July 23:22
This thread is another example of that, if someone overtly mentions the race of the offenders there are several very vociferous posters who will do anything to highlight the handful of white offenders out of the hundreds of Asians. It's still the elephant in the room, and probably why this story isn't in the national press every time another bunch are convicted.
eccles said:
I think that is partly true, but I think the biggest reason no one in authority has tacked this abuse properly is the fear of being called racist.
This thread is another example of that, if someone overtly mentions the race of the offenders there are several very vociferous posters who will do anything to highlight the handful of white offenders out of the hundreds of Asians. It's still the elephant in the room, and probably why this story isn't in the national press every time another bunch are convicted.
"Asian" covers a lot This thread is another example of that, if someone overtly mentions the race of the offenders there are several very vociferous posters who will do anything to highlight the handful of white offenders out of the hundreds of Asians. It's still the elephant in the room, and probably why this story isn't in the national press every time another bunch are convicted.
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More granularity needed.
eccles said:
I think that is partly true, but I think the biggest reason no one in authority has tacked this abuse properly is the fear of being called racist.
This thread is another example of that, if someone overtly mentions the race of the offenders there are several very vociferous posters who will do anything to highlight the handful of white offenders out of the hundreds of Asians. It's still the elephant in the room, and probably why this story isn't in the national press every time another bunch are convicted.
Maggie Oliver has just been on the radio talking about the problem. This thread is another example of that, if someone overtly mentions the race of the offenders there are several very vociferous posters who will do anything to highlight the handful of white offenders out of the hundreds of Asians. It's still the elephant in the room, and probably why this story isn't in the national press every time another bunch are convicted.
You have to wonder about those vociferous posters and what skin they have in the game?
freakybacon said:
Interestingly the three women charged with procuring/running a brothel etc. have names which suggest they may be of white British origin Simply exploiting a gap in the market?.Pothole said:
Interestingly the three women charged with procuring/running a brothel etc. have names which suggest they may be of white British origin Simply exploiting a gap in the market?.
Looking at their ages and the fact that the offences go back as far as 1995 it seems possible (or even likely?) they were victims themselves to start with.I know it's probably not polite to mention it but when looking for suitable terminology for these gangs Asian, South Asian etc leave a lot to be desired. It seems worth noting that about 1/4 of those charged are called Mohammed. Is that a clue?
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Pothole said:
Interestingly the three women charged with procuring/running a brothel etc. have names which suggest they may be of white British origin Simply exploiting a gap in the market?.
Looking at their ages and the fact that the offences go back as far as 1995 it seems possible (or even likely?) they were victims themselves to start with.I know it's probably not polite to mention it but when looking for suitable terminology for these gangs Asian, South Asian etc leave a lot to be desired. It seems worth noting that about 1/4 of those charged are called Mohammed. Is that a clue?
One of the biggest scandals of the century.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Pothole said:
Interestingly the three women charged with procuring/running a brothel etc. have names which suggest they may be of white British origin Simply exploiting a gap in the market?.
Looking at their ages and the fact that the offences go back as far as 1995 it seems possible (or even likely?) they were victims themselves to start with.I know it's probably not polite to mention it but when looking for suitable terminology for these gangs Asian, South Asian etc leave a lot to be desired. It seems worth noting that about 1/4 of those charged are called Mohammed. Is that a clue?
JuanCarlosFandango said:
I know it's probably not polite to mention it but when looking for suitable terminology for these gangs Asian, South Asian etc leave a lot to be desired. It seems worth noting that about 1/4 of those charged are called Mohammed. Is that a clue?
Most of the perpetrators of these grooming gangs are of Pakistani origin. There is a clue right there.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff