another abuse gang
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andyA700 said:
GLS said:
How many kids did Jimmy Saville fiddle with, for reference?
Why don't you start your own thread about that, instead of trying to divert this one from pointing out the many thousands of Pakistani Muslims who have been perpetrators of sexual abuse against young white girls in the UK.andyA700 said:
oddman said:
Digga said:
here were a lot of MP's, mostly Labour it seems, although I guess it comes within their territories, who commendably pioneered the cause for this issue being treated seriously.
Ann Cryer being a notable pioneer. She suffered from abuse from her own party. This article by her summarising her experiences and the issues.Labour have betrayed their values by counting the postal votes, which arrive by the wheelbarrow, over the needs of the truly vulnerable. If the media were curious enough, the links between labour politicians, local licensing arrangements and rape gangs might be exposed. I suspect it will take someone from the community to succeed.
t the bed when an utter tw@ like George Galloway rocks up and threatens to steal the votes under control of the local 'community leaders'Everything you need to know about how dirty politics is in these Northern ex mill towns.
Removing the aspect of most rape gangs men being Pakistani or taxi drivers, that removes about 80% of them from the equation, in certain towns there are literally thousands of cabbies, it is why there are large Pakistani populations near airports, mainly as property used to be cheap and they can cab on the side
My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
LukeBrown66 said:
Removing the aspect of most rape gangs men being Pakistani or taxi drivers, that removes about 80% of them from the equation, in certain towns there are literally thousands of cabbies, it is why there are large Pakistani populations near airports, mainly as property used to be cheap and they can cab on the side
My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
The origin of the Pakistani population in Yorkshire is Mirpur - a valley was flooded for a dam project at the time there was a need for workers in the mills post WWII.My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
Tribalism and culture has much more to do with the behaviour than religion, though the most conservative interpretations of Islam (fuelled by Saudi funded Deobandi teaching) provides an excuse for repression ignorance and failure to integrate/develop.
Look at the size of this abuse gang!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_se...
Incredible it hasn't been mentioned in this thread thus far? They barely left a child untouched.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_se...
Incredible it hasn't been mentioned in this thread thus far? They barely left a child untouched.
andyA700 said:
I think we all know that the elephant in the room, is the cultural background of the male abusers. Their home country, where they or their ancestors originate from and their religion are key to this.
To ignore these obvious facts, to me, seems like an attempt to brush everything under the carpet.
Maggie Oliver has said as much herself, as did Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, who was sacked from her shadow cabinet role for telling the truth.
Politics and votes taking precedence over child abuse.
All of this.To ignore these obvious facts, to me, seems like an attempt to brush everything under the carpet.
Maggie Oliver has said as much herself, as did Sarah Champion, Labour MP for Rotherham, who was sacked from her shadow cabinet role for telling the truth.
Politics and votes taking precedence over child abuse.
Digga said:
here were a lot of MP's, mostly Labour it seems, although I guess it comes within their territories, who commendably pioneered the cause for this issue being treated seriously.
The obstacles and opposition encountered by those who pushed for a wider investigation are a blight on our political and justice system.
That the issue is still not being spoken about directly is an utter farce, not least because IMHO is unfairly casts a shadow of suspicion over a very large sector of the population - nominally 'Asian, Muslim' - who are, statistically it would seem, completely innocent, but for a very small sub-set.
Digga,The obstacles and opposition encountered by those who pushed for a wider investigation are a blight on our political and justice system.
That the issue is still not being spoken about directly is an utter farce, not least because IMHO is unfairly casts a shadow of suspicion over a very large sector of the population - nominally 'Asian, Muslim' - who are, statistically it would seem, completely innocent, but for a very small sub-set.
Please allow me to correct you >
1. Predominantly Pakistani Muslim or of Pakistani Muslim descent.
2. A larger number than is often portrayed as a sub-set.
andyA700 said:
As far as I am aware, it was only Ann Cryer and Sarah Champion who spoke up about the abuse, and they in turn received abuse from the Labour party. What an absolute disgrace. Sajid Javid spoke out about the abusers.
Andy, Do you know if any or all of these party abusers were ever named in print?GLS said:
Look at the size of this abuse gang!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_se...
Incredible it hasn't been mentioned in this thread thus far? They barely left a child untouched.
The first obvious difference is that it is squarely called a Catholic problem. Not European sexual abuse. Not pinned on specific parts of Ireland, Italy or Argentina. Not angrily deflected by noting that there have also been protestant, Jewish and atheist child abusers too, or by accusations that anyone mentioning it is only interested because of some underlying dislike of Catholics. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_se...
Incredible it hasn't been mentioned in this thread thus far? They barely left a child untouched.
LukeBrown66 said:
Removing the aspect of most rape gangs men being Pakistani or taxi drivers, that removes about 80% of them from the equation, in certain towns there are literally thousands of cabbies, it is why there are large Pakistani populations near airports, mainly as property used to be cheap and they can cab on the side
My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
Oxford and High Wycombe far enough south for you? My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Removing the aspect of most rape gangs men being Pakistani or taxi drivers, that removes about 80% of them from the equation, in certain towns there are literally thousands of cabbies, it is why there are large Pakistani populations near airports, mainly as property used to be cheap and they can cab on the side
My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
Oxford and High Wycombe far enough south for you? My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
There is also a very strong suspicion that there are a lot more stories like this to come out all over the country, it's just that they have yet to be brought to light. The cultural makeup in Rotherham/Batley/Dewhurst and the widescale looking in the other direction are not unique to the north, so it's highly likely that there is a lot more to be known.
2Btoo said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Removing the aspect of most rape gangs men being Pakistani or taxi drivers, that removes about 80% of them from the equation, in certain towns there are literally thousands of cabbies, it is why there are large Pakistani populations near airports, mainly as property used to be cheap and they can cab on the side
My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
Oxford and High Wycombe far enough south for you? My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
There is also a very strong suspicion that there are a lot more stories like this to come out all over the country, it's just that they have yet to be brought to light. The cultural makeup in Rotherham/Batley/Dewhurst and the widescale looking in the other direction are not unique to the north, so it's highly likely that there is a lot more to be known.
This is pretty disgusting. We need to have a long hard look at the bar we set for evidence in sexual abuse/rape cases, and convict more people. Are pictures of physical harm, and testimonies not enough?
s1962a said:
2Btoo said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Removing the aspect of most rape gangs men being Pakistani or taxi drivers, that removes about 80% of them from the equation, in certain towns there are literally thousands of cabbies, it is why there are large Pakistani populations near airports, mainly as property used to be cheap and they can cab on the side
My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
Oxford and High Wycombe far enough south for you? My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
There is also a very strong suspicion that there are a lot more stories like this to come out all over the country, it's just that they have yet to be brought to light. The cultural makeup in Rotherham/Batley/Dewhurst and the widescale looking in the other direction are not unique to the north, so it's highly likely that there is a lot more to be known.
This is pretty disgusting. We need to have a long hard look at the bar we set for evidence in sexual abuse/rape cases, and convict more people. Are pictures of physical harm, and testimonies not enough?
The corroboration of the school staff should have completely removed doubt.
Digga said:
s1962a said:
2Btoo said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Removing the aspect of most rape gangs men being Pakistani or taxi drivers, that removes about 80% of them from the equation, in certain towns there are literally thousands of cabbies, it is why there are large Pakistani populations near airports, mainly as property used to be cheap and they can cab on the side
My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
Oxford and High Wycombe far enough south for you? My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
There is also a very strong suspicion that there are a lot more stories like this to come out all over the country, it's just that they have yet to be brought to light. The cultural makeup in Rotherham/Batley/Dewhurst and the widescale looking in the other direction are not unique to the north, so it's highly likely that there is a lot more to be known.
This is pretty disgusting. We need to have a long hard look at the bar we set for evidence in sexual abuse/rape cases, and convict more people. Are pictures of physical harm, and testimonies not enough?
The corroboration of the school staff should have completely removed doubt.
s1962a said:
Digga said:
s1962a said:
2Btoo said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Removing the aspect of most rape gangs men being Pakistani or taxi drivers, that removes about 80% of them from the equation, in certain towns there are literally thousands of cabbies, it is why there are large Pakistani populations near airports, mainly as property used to be cheap and they can cab on the side
My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
Oxford and High Wycombe far enough south for you? My point also being that there is a higher propensity of this stuff reported going on up North and not down South, does anyone know why this might be? Is it tribal, origin etc Suni Shia etc?
There is also a very strong suspicion that there are a lot more stories like this to come out all over the country, it's just that they have yet to be brought to light. The cultural makeup in Rotherham/Batley/Dewhurst and the widescale looking in the other direction are not unique to the north, so it's highly likely that there is a lot more to be known.
This is pretty disgusting. We need to have a long hard look at the bar we set for evidence in sexual abuse/rape cases, and convict more people. Are pictures of physical harm, and testimonies not enough?
The corroboration of the school staff should have completely removed doubt.
s1962a said:
Maybe for any sexual crimes cases, the testimony of the victim, plus circumstantial evidence (like the school corroborating the story etc) + pictures should be enough to convict.
That potentially lays a lot of innocent people open to dreadful and damaging accusations. It is right that there is a high burden of evidence required to convict people of such crimes. What is wrong is when, as it appears, the police won't even look at it because they don't want to be accused of racism.The case linked above is strange on the face of it, but if they can't find any incriminating evidence across 10,000 messages on 200 devices of people coercing teenagers into sex then either the evidence wasn't there or they chose not to see it.
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