Max Clifford arrested on suspicion of sexual offences

[VinceFox]

audidoody said:

DJRC said:

Why does he have moral questions to answer? He deals with the Press, they have no morals or scruples, so neither does he.

Declaring yourself an Axe Murdered is a matter of the law, not of the press.

Well chap I've been a journalist and I have both morals AND scruples. Here's an example. Once upon a time I found out that a senior director of a major telecoms company had been enjoying a rather fruity relationship with his secretary. He was married. So was she. I could have run the story on the basis that at least two trusted sources had told me about it and the man himself didn't deny it when I put it to him. I made a decision that our readers had no reason to know about it as it didn't affect their commercial dealings with the organisation. A year or so down the line he divorced his wife and married the secretary. He was always grateful that I had never published his indiscretion and rewarded me with many industry tip-offs that led to some cracking business stories

So you can take your generalisations about the press and shove them up your arse,

"needless to say, i had the last laugh"

[Chimune]

sjc said:

audidoody said:

DJRC said:

Why does he have moral questions to answer? He deals with the Press, they have no morals or scruples, so neither does he.

Declaring yourself an Axe Murdered is a matter of the law, not of the press.

Well chap I've been a journalist and I have both morals AND scruples. Here's an example. Once upon a time I found out that a senior director of a major telecoms company had been enjoying a rather fruity relationship with his secretary. He was married. So was she. I could have run the story on the basis that at least two trusted sources had told me about it and the man himself didn't deny it when I put it to him. I made a decision that our readers had no reason to know about it as it didn't affect their commercial dealings with the organisation. A year or so down the line he divorced his wife and married the secretary. He was always grateful that I had never published his indiscretion and rewarded me with many industry tip-offs that led to some cracking business stories

So you can take your generalisations about the press and shove them up your arse,

So you didn't run a(non)story because your readers had no reason to know.For that you got " rewarded" with inside information about goings on in business.
Sorry and no offence intended, but I just can't see the morals and scruples thing in this at all?

No could i. Is that the best example you could come up with ?

[pork911]

audidoody said:

DJRC said:

Why does he have moral questions to answer? He deals with the Press, they have no morals or scruples, so neither does he.

Declaring yourself an Axe Murdered is a matter of the law, not of the press.

Well chap I've been a journalist and I have both morals AND scruples. Here's an example. Once upon a time I found out that a senior director of a major telecoms company had been enjoying a rather fruity relationship with his secretary. He was married. So was she. I could have run the story on the basis that at least two trusted sources had told me about it and the man himself didn't deny it when I put it to him. I made a decision that our readers had no reason to know about it as it didn't affect their commercial dealings with the organisation. A year or so down the line he divorced his wife and married the secretary. He was always grateful that I had never published his indiscretion and rewarded me with many industry tip-offs that led to some cracking business stories

So you can take your generalisations about the press and shove them up your arse,

long game

is that all you've got for st peter 'i once did a good thing...'

[rover 623gsi]

to carry on from my previous post... I am often surprised that so many people are surprised when nice people do things are not nice

It's like when Lance Armstrong (or insert your own other favourite disgraced sportstar) gets found guilty of doping and people pop up to say stuff like "I can't believe it. He came to do a motivational talk at our school and he was brilliant. He stayed for hours, signing autographs, posing for photos. He was so friendly and had time for everyone. He was such a nice guy..."

and because of that they believe he would have never taken drugs to gain an unfair advantage of his competitors. But the strange thing about humans is that a person can genuinely be friendly and helpful and generous and want to inspire others AND yet still cheat and lie and break the boundaries of morals and laws.

It is perfectly possible to genuinely care about other and yet to hurt other people.

Was the real Jimmy Savile a charity fund-raiser who believed passionately about helping others less fortunate than him? Or was the real Jimmy Savile simply a sex pest? Perhaps the real Jimmy Savile was both of them?

[caiss4]

audidoody said:

Well chap I've been a journalist and I have both morals AND scruples. Here's an example. Once upon a time I found out that a senior director of a major telecoms company had been enjoying a rather fruity relationship with his secretary. He was married. So was she. I could have run the story on the basis that at least two trusted sources had told me about it and the man himself didn't deny it when I put it to him. I made a decision that our readers had no reason to know about it as it didn't affect their commercial dealings with the organisation. A year or so down the line he divorced his wife and married the secretary. He was always grateful that I had never published his indiscretion and rewarded me with many industry tip-offs that led to some cracking business stories

So you can take your generalisations about the press and shove them up your arse,

Sounds familiar! Talking early '80's are we? If not

[pork911]

i'm unsure of the good guys / bad guys distinction he appears to be making

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foYy3ws_VOU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfIpmERqnzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQtEl4xmJo8

Edited by pork911 on Thursday 6th December 21:55

[Stelvio1]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I didn't mean anything - but judge a man by the..., etc, etc

[RichyBoy]

Hope he sings like a canary.

[Chim]

Posted this on Jimmy S thread before noticing that max had one of his own. This is just nuts, he has been arrested for a supposed offence in 1977. The cops are having a laugh here, there is no way on this planet they will get that through the CPS. It strikes me that the guy in charge is just picking up on complaints made against celebs he doesn't like. Would imagine its going a bit like this

Ring, ring, ring ring

"Sargeant Plod here, what is it"

"Hi sarge, PC dipstick at the front desk here"

"yes' what is it Dipstick"

"Sarge, I've got a mad old bat out here claiming that Max Clifford grabbed her tits in 1977"

"Excellent dipstick, can't stand that prick. Take a statement from her and phone that guy from the Sun that pops in with the brown envelops addressed to me. Once you've done that get an arrest warrant for the fkwit drawn up"

"Yes sarge, will get her statement just as soon as she sobers up and can speak again"

"Great Detective work dipstick, when she does sober up ask her if she ever met Jimmy Tarbuck, really hated that guy"

[rover 623gsi]

and as I posted in the JS thread - earlier this year in Worcestershire the 79 yr old county council leader was jailed for sex offences committed in the 1970s - so it CAN happen.

[pork911]

Chim said:

Posted this on Jimmy S thread before noticing that max had one of his own. This is just nuts, he has been arrested for a supposed offence in 1977. The cops are having a laugh here, there is no way on this planet they will get that through the CPS. It strikes me that the guy in charge is just picking up on complaints made against celebs he doesn't like. Would imagine its going a bit like this

Ring, ring, ring ring

"Sargeant Plod here, what is it"

"Hi sarge, PC dipstick at the front desk here"

"yes' what is it Dipstick"

"Sarge, I've got a mad old bat out here claiming that Max Clifford grabbed her tits in 1977"

"Excellent dipstick, can't stand that prick. Take a statement from her and phone that guy from the Sun that pops in with the brown envelops addressed to me. Once you've done that get an arrest warrant for the fkwit drawn up"

"Yes sarge, will get her statement just as soon as she sobers up and can speak again"

"Great Detective work dipstick, when she does sober up ask her if she ever met Jimmy Tarbuck, really hated that guy"

while i don't disagree there aren't reasons to be cautious about the recent whirlwind - what limitation do you suggest?

[Ozzie Osmond]

I'll bet Bib have wanted a little piggy peek inside Max Clifford's hard drive for years.

Suddenly they have the perfect excuse for a "fishing expedition" among the client files.

[Andy Zarse]

scenario8 said:

Is he really nasty, selfish, self-opinionated and a bully? Is he really? I only ever see him (other than around and about when off duty or at functions) on the telly being remarkably calm, rational and considered. He's never struck me as any of those things. Maybe he is "off air" with the journalists and editors, maybe he is with his staff or his family. It would surprise me. I don't read the papers he probably spends much of his time having to negotiate with (and for whom he is a major source for their tittle tattle much loved nonsense) so maybe I miss out on the nasty, selfish, self-opinionated, bullying bits.

He always struck me as quite eloquent, reasoned and polite.

He's a snidey little crook.

Take for example his utter hatred the Conservatives. His mother, who he worshipped, died in a hospital and he blamed "Thatcher's cuts" and never forgave them. This translated into doing whatever he could to blacken their name. Sadly, this ran to inventing stories, the success he had with punting that David Mellor shagged Antonia de Sanchez in his Chelsea kit lead him into darker areas. Clifford paid an undisclosed sum in libel damages to Neil and Christine Hamilton after he had represented Nadine Milroy-Sloan, who was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice after fabricating rape allegations against Hamilton. The judge in the case pointed out that Clifford had offered the offender £80,000 in connection with the claims which included Neil holding her down whilst Christine wked in her face. However, Clifford did not face any criminal charges, though I expect in the current climate, post Leveson, things might be different now.

[scenario8]

rover 623gsi said:

to carry on from my previous post... I am often surprised that so many people are surprised when nice people do things are not nice

That sounds like an admirable human quality to me. I don't think I'd like to find myself not surprised that someone nice did something heinous - especially if one actually had direct personal contact with that person to formulate the original opinion that merited the belief they were nice.

[scenario8]

Andy Zarse said:

He's a snidey little crook.

Take for example his utter hatred the Conservatives. His mother, who he worshipped, died in a hospital and he blamed "Thatcher's cuts" and never forgave them. This translated into doing whatever he could to blacken their name. Sadly, this ran to inventing stories, the success he had with punting that David Mellor shagged Antonia de Sanchez in his Chelsea kit lead him into darker areas. Clifford paid an undisclosed sum in libel damages to Neil and Christine Hamilton after he had represented Nadine Milroy-Sloan, who was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice after fabricating rape allegations against Hamilton. The judge in the case pointed out that Clifford had offered the offender £80,000 in connection with the claims which included Neil holding her down whilst Christine wked in her face. However, Clifford did not face any criminal charges, though I expect in the current climate, post Leveson, things might be different now.

Oh ar$e. I'm sure he fitted in very well with the Hamiltons and Mellor, then. Maybe I'll knock him down a peg or two on that basis. As before, however, I've only ever met him at nice charitable and social functions where he's been terribly nice and terribly charitable.

Let's see if charges follow.

I bet the Police are having a whale of a time leafing through his computer files. PH and The Mail would probably go mental if they had access to those files.

I suspect even if nothing further comes of his arrest Mr Clifford's authority and influence will be severely dented - even if he successfully and skillfully wrestles back any public support he may have previously held.

[Olf]

As a child of the 70's I rapidly concluding I'm going to have to sue all of the television channels for exposing me to years of televised foreplay to sexual abuse.

I've made a paedophile advent calendar of my main childhood heros including Knight Rider, Rod, Jane (but not Freddy), Sooty and Sweep, Noddy and Big Ears (on reflection I knew all along he was a nonce), Hannibal (A-Team), Mr Ben, Desperate Dan, Dennis the Menace, etc etc, and day by day I open the window on the part of my happy childhood memory box that's going to be sacrificed next.

[cahami]

Does anyone really beleive that this guys computer files are there for the taking?. He may be a lot of things and personaly i dont like the fella but i am sure he is not stupid.

[AJS-]

uk66fastback said:

Stuart Hall though, I couldn't believe ffs ... so someone can make a claim about someone well known and they then get arrested and their career could be over?

I don't think careers get much more over than Stuart Hall's before he was arrested really.

[WeirdNeville]

cahami said:

Does anyone really beleive that this guys computer files are there for the taking?. He may be a lot of things and personaly i dont like the fella but i am sure he is not stupid.

Well, he can do 18 months for not giving up encryption keys if he chooses to. Is that what you're getting at?

And people are that stupid.

[uk_vette]

cahami said:

Does anyone really beleive that this guys computer files are there for the taking?. He may be a lot of things and personaly i dont like the fella but i am sure he is not stupid.

.
This ^^^^^^^^

I really don't think he is stupid enough to have ALL his files on one machine.

I guess just the " run of the mill" stuff on his "day to day" machine, the rest some where quite safe.

V.