7 yr old and forced Radiotherapy
Discussion
Reading some comments, maybe Radionerapy will help him, and is his only chance, but forcing it against a parents wishes? I suppose the story is muddled if one parent wants it and one does not.
Why is the law not used against Jehovas Witness's in similar circumstances? Or are these children removed on abuse claims (and not put with UKIP voters obviously).
Why is the law not used against Jehovas Witness's in similar circumstances? Or are these children removed on abuse claims (and not put with UKIP voters obviously).
Trax said:
Reading some comments, maybe Radionerapy will help him, and is his only chance, but forcing it against a parents wishes? I suppose the story is muddled if one parent wants it and one does not.
The child's best interests surpasses a parent's right to choose therapy. This has been shown amply by this very story. You may not agree with the State's right to ensure the child gets the treatment that best represents the chance of curing him and that's your prerogative, but I think it's a loony stance to take.Marf said:
Why would it kill him?
Do you think it is a nice safe method of treatment? Oddly, I read (could be wrong) that it was the doctors seeking the treatment not the father.
I am in two minds myself. I can't help but think about how the parents will feel if the radiotherapy causes him huge problems or even kills him. I just hope it works.
Jasandjules said:
Marf said:
Why would it kill him?
Do you think it is a nice safe method of treatment? Jasandjules said:
I am in two minds myself. I can't help but think about how the parents will feel if the radiotherapy causes him huge problems or even kills him. I just hope it works.
Why would it cause problems or kill him? Please answer the question, that's the second time I've asked it 
Edited by Marf on Friday 21st December 18:07
Trax said:
Reading some comments, maybe Radionerapy will help him, and is his only chance, but forcing it against a parents wishes? I suppose the story is muddled if one parent wants it and one does not.
Why is the law not used against Jehovas Witness's in similar circumstances? Or are these children removed on abuse claims (and not put with UKIP voters obviously).
The doctor and one of the parents wanted it, hence the court order. Why is the law not used against Jehovas Witness's in similar circumstances? Or are these children removed on abuse claims (and not put with UKIP voters obviously).
She didn't just want the Radiotherapy, she didn't want the initial surgery to remove the tumour either.
A Jehovah's Witness would have been fine with Radiotherapy. It is blood transfusions they don't like. So if it was bone cancer, then it would probably end in court as well.
Possible long-term side effects
Here we discuss some of the long-term side effects that can occur, but they will depend on the part of the body that was treated, so you won’t necessarily experience all of them.
Long-term side effects can take months and sometimes years to develop:
•Hair loss can be permanent or new hair growth may be a different colour or texture to what it was before.
•The skin can feel different or may be darker than before.
•Infertility can occur if the ovaries or testicles are within the treatment area.
•Swelling in a limb or on the body (lymphoedema) can develop when lymph nodes are damaged during treatment.
•Red ‘spidery’ marks (telangectasia) may appear on the skin because small blood vessels are damaged, but this is very rare.
•Shortness of breath can happen, as radiotherapy can make the lungs less stretchy.
•Narrowing of the vagina can occur.
•Difficulty swallowing can occur due to a narrowing of the gullet (oesophagus) or reduced amounts of saliva.
•Passing a lot of urine can sometimes happen if the bladder becomes less stretchy after radiotherapy.
Here we discuss some of the long-term side effects that can occur, but they will depend on the part of the body that was treated, so you won’t necessarily experience all of them.
Long-term side effects can take months and sometimes years to develop:
•Hair loss can be permanent or new hair growth may be a different colour or texture to what it was before.
•The skin can feel different or may be darker than before.
•Infertility can occur if the ovaries or testicles are within the treatment area.
•Swelling in a limb or on the body (lymphoedema) can develop when lymph nodes are damaged during treatment.
•Red ‘spidery’ marks (telangectasia) may appear on the skin because small blood vessels are damaged, but this is very rare.
•Shortness of breath can happen, as radiotherapy can make the lungs less stretchy.
•Narrowing of the vagina can occur.
•Difficulty swallowing can occur due to a narrowing of the gullet (oesophagus) or reduced amounts of saliva.
•Passing a lot of urine can sometimes happen if the bladder becomes less stretchy after radiotherapy.
king around for two months, that's the issue, there has been time to look at other things, but she hasn't it would seem.Marf said:
Because unfortunately people don't understand how effective and safe radiotherapy is.
Been listening to a talk radio station the last couple of days who have had people phoning in with their experiences. From what I gathered, the radiotherapy killed some of them even when the cancer had nearly gone. Would be a very difficult decision to make.
A friend of mine has a very very rare brain tumour and the Dr's can't wait to get in there and experiment on him as he is such a rare case and still living (most die).
He is not having any of it. Apparently, they can section him under the Mental Health Act if he refuses to help himself.
Jasandjules said:
Possible long-term side effects
Here we discuss some of the long-term side effects that can occur, but they will depend on the part of the body that was treated, so you won’t necessarily experience all of them.
Long-term side effects can take months and sometimes years to develop:
•Hair loss can be permanent or new hair growth may be a different colour or texture to what it was before.
•The skin can feel different or may be darker than before.
•Infertility can occur if the ovaries or testicles are within the treatment area.
•Swelling in a limb or on the body (lymphoedema) can develop when lymph nodes are damaged during treatment.
•Red ‘spidery’ marks (telangectasia) may appear on the skin because small blood vessels are damaged, but this is very rare.
•Shortness of breath can happen, as radiotherapy can make the lungs less stretchy.
•Narrowing of the vagina can occur.
•Difficulty swallowing can occur due to a narrowing of the gullet (oesophagus) or reduced amounts of saliva.
•Passing a lot of urine can sometimes happen if the bladder becomes less stretchy after radiotherapy.
Here we have a child with a reoccuring tumour in his head, who will die without treatment vs a list of side effects the majority of which will not affect him due them relating to parts of the body which will not be treated in this case.Here we discuss some of the long-term side effects that can occur, but they will depend on the part of the body that was treated, so you won’t necessarily experience all of them.
Long-term side effects can take months and sometimes years to develop:
•Hair loss can be permanent or new hair growth may be a different colour or texture to what it was before.
•The skin can feel different or may be darker than before.
•Infertility can occur if the ovaries or testicles are within the treatment area.
•Swelling in a limb or on the body (lymphoedema) can develop when lymph nodes are damaged during treatment.
•Red ‘spidery’ marks (telangectasia) may appear on the skin because small blood vessels are damaged, but this is very rare.
•Shortness of breath can happen, as radiotherapy can make the lungs less stretchy.
•Narrowing of the vagina can occur.
•Difficulty swallowing can occur due to a narrowing of the gullet (oesophagus) or reduced amounts of saliva.
•Passing a lot of urine can sometimes happen if the bladder becomes less stretchy after radiotherapy.
Jas, you're scaremongering, there's no other way to describe it.
Set against the likelihood of death via systemic cancer spread, those side effects are pissing in the wind.
Death or a bit of leathery skin? Hmmmmm
Jasandjules said:
Possible long-term side effects
Here we discuss some of the long-term side effects that can occur, but they will depend on the part of the body that was treated, so you won’t necessarily experience all of them.
Long-term side effects can take months and sometimes years to develop:
•Hair loss can be permanent or new hair growth may be a different colour or texture to what it was before.
•The skin can feel different or may be darker than before.
•Infertility can occur if the ovaries or testicles are within the treatment area.
•Swelling in a limb or on the body (lymphoedema) can develop when lymph nodes are damaged during treatment.
•Red ‘spidery’ marks (telangectasia) may appear on the skin because small blood vessels are damaged, but this is very rare.
•Shortness of breath can happen, as radiotherapy can make the lungs less stretchy.
•Narrowing of the vagina can occur.
•Difficulty swallowing can occur due to a narrowing of the gullet (oesophagus) or reduced amounts of saliva.
•Passing a lot of urine can sometimes happen if the bladder becomes less stretchy after radiotherapy.
Well, he doesn't have a vagina, but that's irrelevant. The main point is that this is a valid treatment for a brain tumour. There is a good chacne that it will eliminate it. There is no chance that "alternative" medicine will do so. The risks mentioned above (narrower vagina aside) are acceptable given the improved chance of survival.Here we discuss some of the long-term side effects that can occur, but they will depend on the part of the body that was treated, so you won’t necessarily experience all of them.
Long-term side effects can take months and sometimes years to develop:
•Hair loss can be permanent or new hair growth may be a different colour or texture to what it was before.
•The skin can feel different or may be darker than before.
•Infertility can occur if the ovaries or testicles are within the treatment area.
•Swelling in a limb or on the body (lymphoedema) can develop when lymph nodes are damaged during treatment.
•Red ‘spidery’ marks (telangectasia) may appear on the skin because small blood vessels are damaged, but this is very rare.
•Shortness of breath can happen, as radiotherapy can make the lungs less stretchy.
•Narrowing of the vagina can occur.
•Difficulty swallowing can occur due to a narrowing of the gullet (oesophagus) or reduced amounts of saliva.
•Passing a lot of urine can sometimes happen if the bladder becomes less stretchy after radiotherapy.
cslgirl said:
Marf said:
Because unfortunately people don't understand how effective and safe radiotherapy is.
Been listening to a talk radio station the last couple of days who have had people phoning in with their experiences. From what I gathered, the radiotherapy killed some of them even when the cancer had nearly gone. Marf said:
Jas, you're scaremongering, there's no other way to describe it.
Don't be silly, the course of treatment has been put in place so it matters not what I am saying. I just wonder what I would do in this situation - I know people who have chosen the no treatment option as they couldn't cope with the outcome of it the first time and didn't want to go through it again when the cancer came back.I just hope it all works out for this poor little chap.
Jasandjules said:
Possible long-term side effects
Here we discuss some of the long-term side effects that can occur, but they will depend on the part of the body that was treated, so you won’t necessarily experience all of them.
Long-term side effects can take months and sometimes years to develop:
•Hair loss can be permanent or new hair growth may be a different colour or texture to what it was before.
•The skin can feel different or may be darker than before.
•Infertility can occur if the ovaries or testicles are within the treatment area.
•Swelling in a limb or on the body (lymphoedema) can develop when lymph nodes are damaged during treatment.
•Red ‘spidery’ marks (telangectasia) may appear on the skin because small blood vessels are damaged, but this is very rare.
•Shortness of breath can happen, as radiotherapy can make the lungs less stretchy.
•Narrowing of the vagina can occur.
•Difficulty swallowing can occur due to a narrowing of the gullet (oesophagus) or reduced amounts of saliva.
•Passing a lot of urine can sometimes happen if the bladder becomes less stretchy after radiotherapy.
If you've ever had any significant medical treatment you will have been given a long list of POSSIBLE side effects. Most people do not suffer from most of them.Here we discuss some of the long-term side effects that can occur, but they will depend on the part of the body that was treated, so you won’t necessarily experience all of them.
Long-term side effects can take months and sometimes years to develop:
•Hair loss can be permanent or new hair growth may be a different colour or texture to what it was before.
•The skin can feel different or may be darker than before.
•Infertility can occur if the ovaries or testicles are within the treatment area.
•Swelling in a limb or on the body (lymphoedema) can develop when lymph nodes are damaged during treatment.
•Red ‘spidery’ marks (telangectasia) may appear on the skin because small blood vessels are damaged, but this is very rare.
•Shortness of breath can happen, as radiotherapy can make the lungs less stretchy.
•Narrowing of the vagina can occur.
•Difficulty swallowing can occur due to a narrowing of the gullet (oesophagus) or reduced amounts of saliva.
•Passing a lot of urine can sometimes happen if the bladder becomes less stretchy after radiotherapy.
In this case wide medical advice has recommended the radiotherapy, with an 80% survival rate and the likelihood, if there are long term effects, of them necessitating special educational assistance to achieve a full life.
Seems better than dying, to me.
None of us would relish this situation but, in all honesty, this woman seems irrational to me.
Marf said:
I'm afraid that's incredibly difficult to believe. Radiotherapy would only directly kill through mistreatment caused by gross negligence. Hospitals would have lost their license to treat if what you say were true.
All heard on LBC over the last couple of days. I think you can podcast the shows. srebbe64 said:
Far be it for me to judge, but the mother seems to be rather enjoying the limelight. Or am I being too cynical ???
She ran away with her son last time they tried radiotherapy. She was already under a family court order at the time.She keeps citing about this study of Radiotherapy in the 1940s that the doctors used in court, but the doctors aren't even aware of the study so it seems unlikely they cited it in court.
There seems to be one set of facts rolled out for the TV and another set of facts said in court.
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