This public sector gravy train has to stop!
Discussion
Deva Link said:
That ranks alongside comments my wife's ex-boss made (in writing) that younger staff should accept redundancy as they could use the money as deposit on a house.
Sound advice IMO.The only problem, for the employer, with voluntary redundancy is the smartest young people leave. They can "take the money and run" with good prospects of finding another job and it's a highly efficient way to accumulate some personal capital from a standing start - if you've got the balls for it.
Deva Link said:
That ranks alongside comments my wife's ex-boss made (in writing) that younger staff should accept redundancy as they could use the money as deposit on a house.
And have a better chance of finding another job too. Me, I went and got a car but I left on a Friday and walked into my new job (having been out at the weekend spending my voluntary redundancy package on the car) on the Monday....You can't of course 'export' local authority services any more than fly to the moon. And the laughable thing is that QE is being used to keep these people in a job. It's not really private vs public sector any more, because new lab intertwined the two, deliberately so, and then they just walk away. Enough to boil your piss, effectively bankrupt the country and walk away and let someone else balance the books. . It's a damn Shame that they were voted out, I would have liked to have seen winky try and dig himself out the s
t. The problem is that it is our problem not his, being a politician both his income and pension are inflation proofed.
t. The problem is that it is our problem not his, being a politician both his income and pension are inflation proofed. DP1 said:
Now before you say that is not the same, our company has huge government contracts so guess where those costs get passed onto.
He won the contract, so it's his money to do what he wants with. If he tries to charge too much (for any reason) then I'd hope there would be a competitive bid process to ensure he didn't get a contract extension.The difference with the public sector is that they take my money off me by force, and I'd go to prison if I refused to pay.
My favourite of recent times is the BBC lady who took early redundancy when she failed to get the DG job (which Entwhistle got for 54 days).
Her payoff was north of £400k, plus full pension entitlement, effectively because she was not good enough for the top spot.
Then there was my local NHS Chief Exec dismissed after 90+ c.diff deaths over one winter (in West Kent). Amongst other problems - poor hygiene on the wards. Took 12 months full salary - as set out in her contract. Bummer.
Her payoff was north of £400k, plus full pension entitlement, effectively because she was not good enough for the top spot.
Then there was my local NHS Chief Exec dismissed after 90+ c.diff deaths over one winter (in West Kent). Amongst other problems - poor hygiene on the wards. Took 12 months full salary - as set out in her contract. Bummer.
mrmr96 said:
DP1 said:
Now before you say that is not the same, our company has huge government contracts so guess where those costs get passed onto.
He won the contract, so it's his money to do what he wants with. If he tries to charge too much (for any reason) then I'd hope there would be a competitive bid process to ensure he didn't get a contract extension.The difference with the public sector is that they take my money off me by force, and I'd go to prison if I refused to pay.
Private Companies sink or swim on their own decisions and actions. The Public Sector meanders along constantly being bailed out with more taxpayers money.
It needs massive reduction in its staffing and resources and then needs a root and branch overhaul to get the management sorted out.
Sadly, I don't think I'll ever see it happen.
Jasandjules said:
Deva Link said:
That ranks alongside comments my wife's ex-boss made (in writing) that younger staff should accept redundancy as they could use the money as deposit on a house.
And have a better chance of finding another job too. Me, I went and got a car but I left on a Friday and walked into my new job (having been out at the weekend spending my voluntary redundancy package on the car) on the Monday....
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Normal operational procedure for provincial councils IME.Again, what's killed towns off is the councils pissing money away and using the local private sector retail and leisure businesses as their cash machine. Very short sighted and extremely damaging to the heritage and character of British town centres.
Killer2005 said:
theaxe said:
It also begs the question, how do I get onto this gravy train? Are these post advertised externally or do you have to work your way up?
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Digga said:
what's killed towns off is the councils pissing money away and using the local private sector retail and leisure businesses as their cash machine.
^^^ ThisThey like to blame "big out of town stores" for the decline but that's IMO rubbish. People leave town centres due to inadequate parking and excessive parking charges. Shops leave because the business rates are ridiculously high and people won't come if they can't park or are overcharged for parking.
The socialist political set don't like small businesses, they think that they are beneath them tbh. Try explaining that if parking charges and high rates hadn't come about local town centres would be doing better and taking on stAff, and long term giving a net tax take, they just don't get it, it's all about the Westminster bubble.
A good Chief Executive will shape and manage any organisation to ensure efficiency, quality and value for money (amongst other virtues). Providing these are delivered, then personally, I have no issue with people receiving whatever remuneration is needed to attract them to that position in the first place (pay peanuts, get monkeys, and all that).
What we seem to have at the moment is a payment tariff for failure. I don't really understand this and nothing I've read or heard has yet enlightened me.
As and aside....
A few weeks back, we were doing some work for a council that required a vehicle making very brief and periodic stops in quiet residential roads. In one street, our driver got zapped by CCTV and got a penalty notice of contravening parking regulations. We contested this by pointing out that we were on Council business and in fact, shadowing a waste collection vehicle doing exactly the same thing and that should the fine be upheld, the cost would be added to the invoice plus a 5% admin charge. The notice was upheld so the council has paid us to pay them their own money back.
You couldn't make it up, as someone once said.
What we seem to have at the moment is a payment tariff for failure. I don't really understand this and nothing I've read or heard has yet enlightened me.
As and aside....
A few weeks back, we were doing some work for a council that required a vehicle making very brief and periodic stops in quiet residential roads. In one street, our driver got zapped by CCTV and got a penalty notice of contravening parking regulations. We contested this by pointing out that we were on Council business and in fact, shadowing a waste collection vehicle doing exactly the same thing and that should the fine be upheld, the cost would be added to the invoice plus a 5% admin charge. The notice was upheld so the council has paid us to pay them their own money back.
You couldn't make it up, as someone once said.
StevieBee said:
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What we seem to have at the moment is a payment tariff for failure. I don't really understand this and nothing I've read or heard has yet enlightened me.
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It can only be that the people "managing" those receiving pay offs like this are not doing so properly. And/or are scared of the procedures needed to get rid of someone for incompetence.What we seem to have at the moment is a payment tariff for failure. I don't really understand this and nothing I've read or heard has yet enlightened me.
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I would guess concerns over letting cats out of the bag, or lengthy court cases whilst in the midst of trying to get a new mgmt team on board feature prominently.
Either way, it sends all the wrong messages out in times of "austerity".
markcoznottz said:
The socialist political set don't like small businesses, they think that they are beneath them tbh. Try explaining that if parking charges and high rates hadn't come about local town centres would be doing better and taking on stAff, and long term giving a net tax take, they just don't get it, it's all about the Westminster bubble.
Agreed.Neither, do many bits of the public sector actually understand business. Even the bits that really should, like the Inland Revenue exhibit (on an individual level) staggering ignorance - I once spent ten minutes explaining to a tax inspector why our monthly profit margins were not fixed and never would be (and nor should most other unfranchised businesses be for that matter since we operate in a free market rather an a planned economy).
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