Official Eastleigh By-election thread
Discussion
So...
The sensible decision for the coalition would be for the Tories to not contest it in support of their coalition partners. Basically a repeat of the 1918 election pact, if that is the right word between Lloyd George and Bonar Law. It's the only sane option.
Cameron just hasn't the authority to do this, neither has Clegg. The activists in both parties are just itching for a full on, claws out, blood, fur and feathers, snot and claret everywhere street fight.
Who will it cost? The coalition cannot survive this, that is my proposition. If correct that will then be the end of Cameron or Clegg. Not sure which.
I don't believe in a sufficient upset to do for both of them, but could be wrong. UKIP may have sufficient potential for a real upset, but imho I think they don't have the legs, maybe that should be not have the legs... yet. Don't know tbh.
Certainly it's rumoured the Downing Street SpAds are getting the briefing dossiers out on rumoured LibDem candidates, apparently lips are being licked at the revenge against Olly Grender, one such named potential candidate.
The sensible decision for the coalition would be for the Tories to not contest it in support of their coalition partners. Basically a repeat of the 1918 election pact, if that is the right word between Lloyd George and Bonar Law. It's the only sane option.
Cameron just hasn't the authority to do this, neither has Clegg. The activists in both parties are just itching for a full on, claws out, blood, fur and feathers, snot and claret everywhere street fight.
Who will it cost? The coalition cannot survive this, that is my proposition. If correct that will then be the end of Cameron or Clegg. Not sure which.
I don't believe in a sufficient upset to do for both of them, but could be wrong. UKIP may have sufficient potential for a real upset, but imho I think they don't have the legs, maybe that should be not have the legs... yet. Don't know tbh.
Certainly it's rumoured the Downing Street SpAds are getting the briefing dossiers out on rumoured LibDem candidates, apparently lips are being licked at the revenge against Olly Grender, one such named potential candidate.
FiF said:
So...
The sensible decision for the coalition would be for the Tories to not contest it in support of their coalition partners. Basically a repeat of the 1918 election pact, if that is the right word between Lloyd George and Bonar Law. It's the only sane option.
Cameron just hasn't the authority to do this, neither has Clegg. The activists in both parties are just itching for a full on, claws out, blood, fur and feathers, snot and claret everywhere street fight.
Who will it cost? The coalition cannot survive this, that is my proposition. If correct that will then be the end of Cameron or Clegg. Not sure which.
I don't believe in a sufficient upset to do for both of them, but could be wrong. UKIP may have sufficient potential for a real upset, but imho I think they don't have the legs, maybe that should be not have the legs... yet. Don't know tbh.
Certainly it's rumoured the Downing Street SpAds are getting the briefing dossiers out on rumoured LibDem candidates, apparently lips are being licked at the revenge against Olly Grender, one such named potential candidate.
Bizarre post. There is no reason for the tories to not stand and whoever wins it will not result in the end of someone. Coalitions all over the world stand against their partners in by elections.The sensible decision for the coalition would be for the Tories to not contest it in support of their coalition partners. Basically a repeat of the 1918 election pact, if that is the right word between Lloyd George and Bonar Law. It's the only sane option.
Cameron just hasn't the authority to do this, neither has Clegg. The activists in both parties are just itching for a full on, claws out, blood, fur and feathers, snot and claret everywhere street fight.
Who will it cost? The coalition cannot survive this, that is my proposition. If correct that will then be the end of Cameron or Clegg. Not sure which.
I don't believe in a sufficient upset to do for both of them, but could be wrong. UKIP may have sufficient potential for a real upset, but imho I think they don't have the legs, maybe that should be not have the legs... yet. Don't know tbh.
Certainly it's rumoured the Downing Street SpAds are getting the briefing dossiers out on rumoured LibDem candidates, apparently lips are being licked at the revenge against Olly Grender, one such named potential candidate.
More wishful thinking than reasoned argument from you I'm afraid.
Caulkhead said:
Bizarre post. There is no reason for the tories to not stand and whoever wins it will not result in the end of someone. Coalitions all over the world stand against their partners in by elections.
More wishful thinking than reasoned argument from you I'm afraid.
Tories see this as their heartland, only lost it after Stephen Milligan's bizarre death at the time of extreme unpopularity of John Major's Govt, so they will want a candidate. See above posts. If they fail Dave could be on thin ice. Maybe not.More wishful thinking than reasoned argument from you I'm afraid.
If Lib Dems lose it after holding the seat for so many years, and with decent results in local elections, then it will be Clegg on thin ice.
More reasoned than wishful thinking. Sorry - you fail.
kwitsFiF said:
Caulkhead said:
Bizarre post. There is no reason for the tories to not stand and whoever wins it will not result in the end of someone. Coalitions all over the world stand against their partners in by elections.
More wishful thinking than reasoned argument from you I'm afraid.
Tories see this as their heartland, only lost it after Stephen Milligan's bizarre death at the time of extreme unpopularity of John Major's Govt, so they will want a candidate. See above posts. If they fail Dave could be on thin ice. Maybe not.More wishful thinking than reasoned argument from you I'm afraid.
If Lib Dems lose it after holding the seat for so many years, and with decent results in local elections, then it will be Clegg on thin ice.
More reasoned than wishful thinking. Sorry - you fail.
Caulkhead said:
FiF said:
Caulkhead said:
Bizarre post. There is no reason for the tories to not stand and whoever wins it will not result in the end of someone. Coalitions all over the world stand against their partners in by elections.
More wishful thinking than reasoned argument from you I'm afraid.
Tories see this as their heartland, only lost it after Stephen Milligan's bizarre death at the time of extreme unpopularity of John Major's Govt, so they will want a candidate. See above posts. If they fail Dave could be on thin ice. Maybe not.More wishful thinking than reasoned argument from you I'm afraid.
If Lib Dems lose it after holding the seat for so many years, and with decent results in local elections, then it will be Clegg on thin ice.
More reasoned than wishful thinking. Sorry - you fail.
.Here's a thought.
CMD says we're not standing and stands smugly by as Labour win and UKIP come second with the Liberals destroyed into third place or lower.
CMD doesn't then have an issue with UKIP maybe coming close to beating them into third and one less Liberal MP is neither here or there, especially as it would further weaken their position within the coalition.
CMD says we're not standing and stands smugly by as Labour win and UKIP come second with the Liberals destroyed into third place or lower.
CMD doesn't then have an issue with UKIP maybe coming close to beating them into third and one less Liberal MP is neither here or there, especially as it would further weaken their position within the coalition.
MarshPhantom said:
That's a shame, it would be quite a gamble for him to give up being an MEP to stand in Eastleigh and not win.
I think he'd only have to give up being an MEP if he won the Westminster seat. I can't recall him giving up his MEP seat when he stood against Bercow in the last general election.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff