Trois heures par jour ? Tous les jours? Va te faire...!
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turbobloke said:
1,625 for the UK, jeez. That will include the public sector though as it says 'total employment'. A lot of private sector people could cut back and still walk it.
Surely public sector work should count negative as all it does is create more work and expense for private sector workers ie non parasites1625 hours per annum average for the UK? Does that include part-time jobs or is there some kind of pro-rata adjustment going on?
Assuming a five-day week and a total of 31 paid days off a year (holidays and bank holidays), that comes to just over 7 hours a day.
As someone whose typical day is at least 14 hours and rarely less than 12, I'm starting to feel something of a mug.....
Assuming a five-day week and a total of 31 paid days off a year (holidays and bank holidays), that comes to just over 7 hours a day.
As someone whose typical day is at least 14 hours and rarely less than 12, I'm starting to feel something of a mug.....
Pints said:
I worked for a company which was owned by the French. Getting anything meaningful from them for entire months at a time (July through September was a write off) was impossible, and conference calls had to be carefully arranged during small windows of opportunity.
Was the canteen good though?
Just came back from Paris, hated it, dirty metros and trains, rude people, poor service in restaurants, expensive, and I had a misfortune of stepping on dog poo too one morning on my way to a cafe with my nephew, 2 'tiny' cappucinos, 4 croissants, 2 freshly squeezed orange juices: 55 Euros please.Bugger me with a fish fourchette! 
Les Francais, la plus part, sont une bande de feniants!
Les Francais, la plus part, sont une bande de feniants!allnighter said:
Just came back from Paris, hated it, dirty metros and trains, rude people, poor service in restaurants, expensive, and I had a misfortune of stepping on dog poo too one morning on my way to a cafe with my nephew, 2 'tiny' cappucinos, 4 croissants, 2 freshly squeezed orange juices: 55 Euros please.Bugger me with a fish fourchette! Les Francais, la plus part, sont une bande de feniants!
That's Paris for you, although to be fair the French that I have met want Paris kicked out of the country Les Francais, la plus part, sont une bande de feniants!
Happy82 said:
That's Paris for you, although to be fair the French that I have met want Paris kicked out of the country
This. The further south you travel the more the northerners and particularly parisians, are universally despised and the subject of much pisstaking, especially in hotels, restaurants etc. allnighter said:
Just came back from Paris, hated it, dirty metros and trains, rude people, poor service in restaurants, expensive, and I had a misfortune of stepping on dog poo too one morning on my way to a cafe with my nephew, 2 'tiny' cappucinos, 4 croissants, 2 freshly squeezed orange juices: 55 Euros please.Bugger me with a fish fourchette! Les Francais, la plus part, sont une bande de feniants!
To be fair, that could equally describe London. Les Francais, la plus part, sont une bande de feniants!handpaper said:
1625 hours per annum average for the UK? Does that include part-time jobs or is there some kind of pro-rata adjustment going on?
Assuming a five-day week and a total of 31 paid days off a year (holidays and bank holidays), that comes to just over 7 hours a day.
As someone whose typical day is at least 14 hours and rarely less than 12, I'm starting to feel something of a mug.....
I've never understood this 'I work 25 hours a day and get up before I go to bed' stuff as if it's a badge of honour.Assuming a five-day week and a total of 31 paid days off a year (holidays and bank holidays), that comes to just over 7 hours a day.
As someone whose typical day is at least 14 hours and rarely less than 12, I'm starting to feel something of a mug.....
If you don't like working the hours get another job with less or stop moaning about it.
smegmore said:
Happy82 said:
That's Paris for you, although to be fair the French that I have met want Paris kicked out of the country
This. The further south you travel the more the northerners and particularly parisians, are universally despised and the subject of much pisstaking, especially in hotels, restaurants etc. 
Wouldn't be hard to start a civil war in France when you think about it
eccles said:
allnighter said:
Just came back from Paris, hated it, dirty metros and trains, rude people, poor service in restaurants, expensive, and I had a misfortune of stepping on dog poo too one morning on my way to a cafe with my nephew, 2 'tiny' cappucinos, 4 croissants, 2 freshly squeezed orange juices: 55 Euros please.Bugger me with a fish fourchette! Les Francais, la plus part, sont une bande de feniants!
To be fair, that could equally describe London. Les Francais, la plus part, sont une bande de feniants!
I was in London 2 months ago, although it has changed since I remember living there in the 80s, London is far classier and cleaner.I had breakfast in South Kensington with a friend (incidentally in a French Cafe) and the bill was no more than £15.Chalk and cheese comparing the whole 'feel' with poopy Paris definitely!turbobloke said:
However I hadn't factored in SDA, the sickie day allowance in the public sector.
which despite the hazards faced by workers in the NHS is around 4% ... also point out thereis NO 'allowance' of sick days and many NHS employers now operate highly onerous 'attendance monitoring' processes
never mind the penalisation of those who return to work between acute episodes of a condition ...
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tbum said:
tbum said: Surely public sector work should count negative as all it does is create more work and expense for private sector workers ie non parasites
i hope you remind any NHS, Police or fire and rescue staff of this when you need them along reminding them they are parasites, none productive and a drain on the community ... same with the planners when someone erects a rendering plant by your back yard ... assuming your house doesn;t fall down becasue of the lack of building control ...
f**kwit
handpaper said:
1625 hours per annum average for the UK? Does that include part-time jobs or is there some kind of pro-rata adjustment going on?
Assuming a five-day week and a total of 31 paid days off a year (holidays and bank holidays), that comes to just over 7 hours a day.
As someone whose typical day is at least 14 hours and rarely less than 12, I'm starting to feel something of a mug.....
I would suspect that all the salaried / company director PH heros who do 14 hours a day ( while posting on PH every few minutes) are being counted for a nominal working day of 8ish hours ...Assuming a five-day week and a total of 31 paid days off a year (holidays and bank holidays), that comes to just over 7 hours a day.
As someone whose typical day is at least 14 hours and rarely less than 12, I'm starting to feel something of a mug.....
it also depends at what point you count 'full time' from if you include 30 + hours that would drag the numbers down , rather than setting the minimum at 35- 37.5 ( nominal 5 * 7 / 5 *7.5) ... there is also consideration of work day vs paid work day ... how many people are required to be available for 8 =9 hours a day but are technically not paid for an hour or so due to officially having unpaid breaks even if they don;t take all the breaks or like some office settings work through any short break on lower priority tasks / reading none critical mail when drinking their coffee/ tea ...
mph1977 said:
turbobloke said:
However I hadn't factored in SDA, the sickie day allowance in the public sector.
which despite the hazards faced by workers in the NHS is around 4% ... also point out thereis NO 'allowance' of sick days and many NHS employers now operate highly onerous 'attendance monitoring' processes
Office for National Statistics data shows that public sector workers are 63% more likely to take time off than private sector employees. There's no acceptable reason for this overall difference, which doesn't look at specific occupations on either side.
"Is there any truth in the claim that the French are under-worked and over-paid? For some in-depth analysis, The Local spoke to a French author who has caused some controversy of her own in recent years."
http://www.thelocal.fr/page/view/are-french-worker...
http://www.thelocal.fr/page/view/are-french-worker...
mph1977 said:
turbobloke said:
However I hadn't factored in SDA, the sickie day allowance in the public sector.
which despite the hazards faced by workers in the NHS is around 4% ... also point out thereis NO 'allowance' of sick days and many NHS employers now operate highly onerous 'attendance monitoring' processes
never mind the penalisation of those who return to work between acute episodes of a condition ...
http://fullfact.org/factchecks/did_nhs_staff_take_...
people in the public sector do class sick days as their holiday days which must be taken every year to top up their holiday limit... See that one with my own disgusted eyes when a friend/acquaintance who is working for public sector. They needed more days for his holiday so rang in sick to get the extra days, how you ask? He was going away for 2 weeks and didnt have enough holiday so booked off 8 days at work, then booked the flights as if they were taking 10 days off and didnt tell anyone, emailed in sick for those 2 days from the hotel on holiday.
Mr Snap said:
What gets my goat now is how they still cling to half day closures and Sunday/Monday closing etc etc. In that way, it's still like stepping back to the 60's.
Do you think the way we operate is better? Long hours, with all the fall out such as high divorce rate and unhappy kids, and despite our long hours both people and state have massive debt?mph1977 said:
i hope you remind any NHS, Police or fire and rescue staff of this when you need them along reminding them they are parasites, none productive and a drain on the community ...
same with the planners when someone erects a rendering plant by your back yard ... assuming your house doesn;t fall down becasue of the lack of building control ...
f**kwit
I used to work as a self-employed franchisee for a company that also had a large number of employees. The differences of levels of productivity, sickness, time off and holidays between the employed and self-employed was shocking. To me all employees were the same whether private or public sector, none of them worked hard from what I could see and took far too much paid time off.same with the planners when someone erects a rendering plant by your back yard ... assuming your house doesn;t fall down becasue of the lack of building control ...
f**kwit
Everyone should be hourly paid and that's it. Anyone who takes more than that is a parasite.
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