George Osbourne is dillusional
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This idiot has actualy made the statement that we are lucky petrol prices are cheaper than they would have been!
Do these cretins not realise its these ridiculous utility and fuel prices that have ended consumer spending and confidence! people have no money fuel is nearly £7.00 a gallon!! How ridiculous, where is this consumer spending confidence going to come from? Im just dumbfounded.....so tired of these washed up boring lazy politicians actully now saying we are lucky it could be worse.....tell that to the buisnesses closing everyday come on George do something I know go away!
Who on earth can stop this stupidity?
J
Do these cretins not realise its these ridiculous utility and fuel prices that have ended consumer spending and confidence! people have no money fuel is nearly £7.00 a gallon!! How ridiculous, where is this consumer spending confidence going to come from? Im just dumbfounded.....so tired of these washed up boring lazy politicians actully now saying we are lucky it could be worse.....tell that to the buisnesses closing everyday come on George do something I know go away!
Who on earth can stop this stupidity?
J
Gary11 said:
This idiot has actualy made the statement that we are lucky petrol prices are cheaper than they would have been!
Do these cretins not realise its these ridiculous utility and fuel prices that have ended consumer spending and confidence! people have no money fuel is nearly £7.00 a gallon!! How ridiculous, where is this consumer spending confidence going to come from? Im just dumbfounded.....so tired of these washed up boring lazy politicians actully now saying we are lucky it could be worse.....tell that to the buisnesses closing everyday come on George do something I know go away!
Who on earth can stop this stupidity?
J
Have the tax on fuel, which is a nice progressive tax on consumption, penalising those who use a public service (the roads) more, and those who pollute more, whilst also helping to smooth fluctuations in the global oil market, or have it on income or purchases. Your choice; the money has to come from somewhere.Do these cretins not realise its these ridiculous utility and fuel prices that have ended consumer spending and confidence! people have no money fuel is nearly £7.00 a gallon!! How ridiculous, where is this consumer spending confidence going to come from? Im just dumbfounded.....so tired of these washed up boring lazy politicians actully now saying we are lucky it could be worse.....tell that to the buisnesses closing everyday come on George do something I know go away!
Who on earth can stop this stupidity?
J
Gary11 said:
This idiot has actualy made the statement that we are lucky petrol prices are cheaper than they would have been!
Do these cretins not realise its these ridiculous utility and fuel prices that have ended consumer spending and confidence! people have no money fuel is nearly £7.00 a gallon!! How ridiculous, where is this consumer spending confidence going to come from? Im just dumbfounded.....so tired of these washed up boring lazy politicians actully now saying we are lucky it could be worse.....tell that to the buisnesses closing everyday come on George do something I know go away!
Who on earth can stop this stupidity?
J
Take away expenses for MPs so they have to buy their own fuel and food? Maybe then they will realise how hard it is for people who work for a living.Do these cretins not realise its these ridiculous utility and fuel prices that have ended consumer spending and confidence! people have no money fuel is nearly £7.00 a gallon!! How ridiculous, where is this consumer spending confidence going to come from? Im just dumbfounded.....so tired of these washed up boring lazy politicians actully now saying we are lucky it could be worse.....tell that to the buisnesses closing everyday come on George do something I know go away!
Who on earth can stop this stupidity?
J
davepoth said:
Have the tax on fuel, which is a nice progressive tax on consumption, penalising those who use a public service (the roads) more, and those who pollute more, whilst also helping to smooth fluctuations in the global oil market, or have it on income or purchases. Your choice; the money has to come from somewhere.
No it does notWe can stop paying for the EC for a start. Then we can follow up be scrapping 3 of the 6 million public sector jobs that we don't need. More importantly we can start to unpick the tangle of Quango waste that is crippling us now and will if left unchecked cripple us for the future with pension commitments etc. We can stimulate growth by slashing corporation tax on manufacturing and other wealth creation industries and raising corporation tax on high polluting social cost industries such as supermarkets. We can change our eduction system to reflect the needs of the nation in relation to worldwide reality instead of Guardian reader la la climate change land. We do not need to pay taxes for wallpaper museums, posh and Becks studies courses and way to five co-ordination managers. Its not like this is rocket science there is so much low hanging fruit here we could cut the deficit in weeks. We then might be able to focus on important issues like hydrogen fuel cell development. Nuclear fusion, the north sea tunnel, HS3,4 and 5. The windmill scrappage scheme, sequestrating the assets of brake and other hysterical charities bleeding the nations oversubsidised public transport system for their very existance.
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tbum said:
tbum said:davepoth said:
Have the tax on fuel, which is a nice progressive tax on consumption, penalising those who use a public service (the roads) more, and those who pollute more, whilst also helping to smooth fluctuations in the global oil market, or have it on income or purchases. Your choice; the money has to come from somewhere.
No it does notWe can stop paying for the EC for a start. Then we can follow up be scrapping 3 of the 6 million public sector jobs that we don't need. More importantly we can start to unpick the tangle of Quango waste that is crippling us now and will if left unchecked cripple us for the future with pension commitments etc. We can stimulate growth by slashing corporation tax on manufacturing and other wealth creation industries and raising corporation tax on high polluting social cost industries such as supermarkets. We can change our eduction system to reflect the needs of the nation in relation to worldwide reality instead of Guardian reader la la climate change land. We do not need to pay taxes for wallpaper museums, posh and Becks studies courses and way to five co-ordination managers. Its not like this is rocket science there is so much low hanging fruit here we could cut the deficit in weeks. We then might be able to focus on important issues like hydrogen fuel cell development. Nuclear fusion, the north sea tunnel, HS3,4 and 5. The windmill scrappage scheme, sequestrating the assets of brake and other hysterical charities bleeding the nations oversubsidised public transport system for their very existance.
stbum said:
tbum said: No it does not
We can stop paying for the EC for a start. Then we can follow up be scrapping 3 of the 6 million public sector jobs that we don't need. More importantly we can start to unpick the tangle of Quango waste that is crippling us now and will if left unchecked cripple us for the future with pension commitments etc. We can stimulate growth by slashing corporation tax on manufacturing and other wealth creation industries and raising corporation tax on high polluting social cost industries such as supermarkets. We can change our eduction system to reflect the needs of the nation in relation to worldwide reality instead of Guardian reader la la climate change land. We do not need to pay taxes for wallpaper museums, posh and Becks studies courses and way to five co-ordination managers. Its not like this is rocket science there is so much low hanging fruit here we could cut the deficit in weeks. We then might be able to focus on important issues like hydrogen fuel cell development. Nuclear fusion, the north sea tunnel, HS3,4 and 5. The windmill scrappage scheme, sequestrating the assets of brake and other hysterical charities bleeding the nations oversubsidised public transport system for their very existance.
They wont permit hydrogen fuel development to progress for many years or even cars that run on water the loss of fuel revenue would ruin the world hence petro companys buy up any of these new ideas and sit on them I mean develop them for the good of the planet,bit like BT with internet phones all hypocrites.We can stop paying for the EC for a start. Then we can follow up be scrapping 3 of the 6 million public sector jobs that we don't need. More importantly we can start to unpick the tangle of Quango waste that is crippling us now and will if left unchecked cripple us for the future with pension commitments etc. We can stimulate growth by slashing corporation tax on manufacturing and other wealth creation industries and raising corporation tax on high polluting social cost industries such as supermarkets. We can change our eduction system to reflect the needs of the nation in relation to worldwide reality instead of Guardian reader la la climate change land. We do not need to pay taxes for wallpaper museums, posh and Becks studies courses and way to five co-ordination managers. Its not like this is rocket science there is so much low hanging fruit here we could cut the deficit in weeks. We then might be able to focus on important issues like hydrogen fuel cell development. Nuclear fusion, the north sea tunnel, HS3,4 and 5. The windmill scrappage scheme, sequestrating the assets of brake and other hysterical charities bleeding the nations oversubsidised public transport system for their very existance.
Gary11 said:
They wont permit hydrogen fuel development to progress for many years or even cars that run on water the loss of fuel revenue would ruin the world hence petro companys buy up any of these new ideas and sit on them I mean develop them for the good of the planet,bit like BT with internet phones all hypocrites.
We could always tax water?Gary11 said:
I dont think its default unless we owe them do we,I would call it stop?
We have treaty commitments to the EU, stopping paying them would breach those commitments, and I would think it inevitable that the rest of the EU would take us to court over it. If we were to exit the EU, there would be long and expensive negotiations to go through, there's no way we could simply stop paying.REALIST123 said:
No it fking doesn't. Our tax bill could be massively reduced if those fkwits stopped wasting it, including the fuel tax bill.
How do you propose getting sufficient public support for such a course of action?king doesn't. Our tax bill could be massively reduced if those fkwits stopped wasting it, including the fuel tax bill.It's not the carrying out of policies that's the hard part, it's getting a mandate to do so. Without that, it's just so much hot air.
REALIST123 said:
People like you are one of the main causes of our difficulties, buying into the myth that 'the money has to come from somewhere'.
No it fking doesn't. Our tax bill could be massively reduced if those fkwits stopped wasting it, including the fuel tax bill.
As for smoothing fluctuations etc, that's just another myth perpetuated by those with vested interests to provide cover for the speculators and towelheads making massive profits to squander on ski slopes in the desert and artificial islands.
The price for all that is needless recession and looming bankruptcy.
Yet you keep on saying It."The money has to come from somewhere". FFS!
What am I like, exactly?No it f
king doesn't. Our tax bill could be massively reduced if those fkwits stopped wasting it, including the fuel tax bill.As for smoothing fluctuations etc, that's just another myth perpetuated by those with vested interests to provide cover for the speculators and towelheads making massive profits to squander on ski slopes in the desert and artificial islands.
The price for all that is needless recession and looming bankruptcy.
Yet you keep on saying It."The money has to come from somewhere". FFS!
sidicks said:
Someone who doesn't understand that expenditure should be managed against available income, not that expenditure should be decided upon and then income somehow obtained (or borrowed) to fund it!
It's that pesky word 'should' again. You might think that expenditure should be managed against available income, but most of the rest of the electorate disagrees with you. How are you going to persuade them that you are right and they are wrong?Gaspode said:
It's that pesky word 'should' again. You might think that expenditure should be managed against available income, but most of the rest of the electorate disagrees with you.
Most of the electorate are economically illiterate and subsidised by the minority of the electorate....Gaspode said:
How are you going to persuade them that you are right and they are wrong?
The IMF will eventually step in if we continue to borrow £100bn+ year after year, as we won't find anyone to lend to us.If we continue to tax people based on what they can 'afford' rather than what is considered to be a 'fair' amount, then will we see increased tax avoidance / evasion and eventually the rich will leave and the deficit problems will be even worse. And then the IMF will step in.
Either way, they will work it out - maybe politicians should be more honest in the first place....
sidicks said:
The IMF will eventually step in if we continue to borrow £100bn+ year after year, as we won't find anyone to lend to us.
If we continue to tax people based on what they can 'afford' rather than what is considered to be a 'fair' amount, then will we see increased tax avoidance / evasion and eventually the rich will leave and the deficit problems will be even worse. And then the IMF will step in.
Either way, they will work it out - maybe politicians should be more honest in the first place....
Sounds like a counsel of despair to me. Don't you think it would be better to put together a set of realistic policies which stimulated growth in a way that would increase the revenue take to the point where a sensible dent could be made on the deficit?If we continue to tax people based on what they can 'afford' rather than what is considered to be a 'fair' amount, then will we see increased tax avoidance / evasion and eventually the rich will leave and the deficit problems will be even worse. And then the IMF will step in.
Either way, they will work it out - maybe politicians should be more honest in the first place....
Gaspode said:
Sounds like a counsel of despair to me. Don't you think it would be better to put together a set of realistic policies which stimulated growth in a way that would increase the revenue take to the point where a sensible dent could be made on the deficit?
The deficit has come down from £160bn to £120bn.What "realistic policies" to stimulate growth (i.e. 'proper, private sector-led growth' not unsustainable public spending) are you proposing that don't involve spending lots of money either now or in the future?!
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