Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 2
Discussion
Notwithstanding discussions re: UHIE and such like, I found this statement by Ed Cook interesting:
Ed Cook said:
So, at this stage I would argue that the Medieval Warm Period was probably a global extra-tropical event, at the very least, with warmth that was persistent and probably comparable to much of what we have experienced in the 20th century. However, I would not claim (and nor would Jan) that it exceeded the warmth of the late 20th century. We simply do not have the precision or the proxy replication to say that yet. This being said, I do find the dismissal of the Medieval Warm Period as a meaningful global event to be grossly premature and probably wrong.
220,000 emails in this tranche. How many were included in the previous two? By that I mean how many emails were in the first two in total. Not how many are reproduced in this collection. Were these held back by FOIA because they were more damaging to "The Cause"? Or, were they merely the last 220,000 of the original "acquired" documents?
I always assumed the former. That these were where the protagonists really showed their true colours.
I always assumed the former. That these were where the protagonists really showed their true colours.
Blib said:
I always assumed the former. That these were where the protagonists really showed their true colours.
If someone is working and frustrated with the lies (perhaps they have seen the thousands of people dying as they could not pay their heating bills etc and felt guilty about it) then I would say they may well have orchestrated it so that the less damaging messages were released first.A tester if you will, perhaps to see how far they would go to silence him/herm whilst retaining more damaging e-mails as a security blanket.
It will certianly be interesting in time to see what revelations come about.
chris watton said:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/13/climategate-...
Climategate 3.0 has occurred – the password has been released
Climategate 3.0 has occurred – the password has been released
....toilet paper for Prof Jones
mybrainhurts said:
chris watton said:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/13/climategate-...
Climategate 3.0 has occurred – the password has been released
Climategate 3.0 has occurred – the password has been released
....toilet paper for Prof Jones
Lets hope, but I think this devious bunch of lying scumbags have state approval. (Ie are protected by another bunch of lying scumbags)
Guam said:
mybrainhurts said:
Just had a peep at WUWT. Seems it's not going to be sensational. Bugger...
Early days, there is an awful lot to get through 
It may be necessary to do what we did with the first release and trawl through them to dig out the pertinent ones
Guam said:
kerplunk said:
Well he's definitly not Keith Briffa.
He didst hack RealClimate though so he is 'a hacker' and he only denies being a paid hacker. Unfortunately he doesn't say anything to definitively settle the issue that I can see (nor related wagers on the matter!), and I can see food for insider-theorists in his commments about having some special one-off chance at it, but that could be interpreted many ways.
I suggest you read it agaim, with close attention to comments about his career, a HACKER would not have such concerns.He didst hack RealClimate though so he is 'a hacker' and he only denies being a paid hacker. Unfortunately he doesn't say anything to definitively settle the issue that I can see (nor related wagers on the matter!), and I can see food for insider-theorists in his commments about having some special one-off chance at it, but that could be interpreted many ways.
Clear to most from the way he structured that, he was somewhere on the inside, wasnt expecting you to be convinced unless and until he was fully unmasked <something I hope doesnt happen unless for some award>
He does mention concerns about the 'privacy/career of a few scientists' though which I think you've probably mis-read.
Guam said:
kerplunk said:
Are you suggesting Mr FOIA is ex-Pope Benedict? Cos that's the only time he mentions 'his' career. Myself, I tink he make funny pope-joke
He does mention concerns about the 'privacy/career of a few scientists' though which I think you've probably mis-read.
Not bitingt KP, other people are coming to the same conclusion "Glimpse behimd the Scenes" behing a good indication.He does mention concerns about the 'privacy/career of a few scientists' though which I think you've probably mis-read.
Lets leave it there as we will not agree on this.
I think it's plausible that he had a connection with UEA - a visiting student maybe or an IT techy, somebody like that, His "Combination of several rather improbable prerequisites just wouldn’t occur again for anyone else in the foreseeable future" hints that way, but that doesn't preclude one of those several prerequisites being computer hacking skills though (and the line between 'hacker' and 'insider' gets blurry)
kerplunk said:
Guam said:
kerplunk said:
Are you suggesting Mr FOIA is ex-Pope Benedict? Cos that's the only time he mentions 'his' career. Myself, I tink he make funny pope-joke
He does mention concerns about the 'privacy/career of a few scientists' though which I think you've probably mis-read.
Not bitingt KP, other people are coming to the same conclusion "Glimpse behimd the Scenes" behing a good indication.He does mention concerns about the 'privacy/career of a few scientists' though which I think you've probably mis-read.
Lets leave it there as we will not agree on this.
I think it's plausible that he had a connection with UEA - a visiting student maybe or an IT techy, somebody like that, His "Combination of several rather improbable prerequisites just wouldn’t occur again for anyone else in the foreseeable future" hints that way, but that doesn't preclude one of those several prerequisites being computer hacking skills though (and the line between 'hacker' and 'insider' gets blurry)
kerplunk said:
Guam said:
kerplunk said:
Are you suggesting Mr FOIA is ex-Pope Benedict? Cos that's the only time he mentions 'his' career. Myself, I tink he make funny pope-joke
He does mention concerns about the 'privacy/career of a few scientists' though which I think you've probably mis-read.
Not bitingt KP, other people are coming to the same conclusion "Glimpse behimd the Scenes" behing a good indication.He does mention concerns about the 'privacy/career of a few scientists' though which I think you've probably mis-read.
Lets leave it there as we will not agree on this.
I think it's plausible that he had a connection with UEA - a visiting student maybe or an IT techy, somebody like that, His "Combination of several rather improbable prerequisites just wouldn’t occur again for anyone else in the foreseeable future" hints that way, but that doesn't preclude one of those several prerequisites being computer hacking skills though (and the line between 'hacker' and 'insider' gets blurry)
Diderot said:
kerplunk said:
Guam said:
kerplunk said:
Are you suggesting Mr FOIA is ex-Pope Benedict? Cos that's the only time he mentions 'his' career. Myself, I tink he make funny pope-joke
He does mention concerns about the 'privacy/career of a few scientists' though which I think you've probably mis-read.
Not bitingt KP, other people are coming to the same conclusion "Glimpse behimd the Scenes" behing a good indication.He does mention concerns about the 'privacy/career of a few scientists' though which I think you've probably mis-read.
Lets leave it there as we will not agree on this.
I think it's plausible that he had a connection with UEA - a visiting student maybe or an IT techy, somebody like that, His "Combination of several rather improbable prerequisites just wouldn’t occur again for anyone else in the foreseeable future" hints that way, but that doesn't preclude one of those several prerequisites being computer hacking skills though (and the line between 'hacker' and 'insider' gets blurry)
That new watermelon at the head of the National Trust wouldn't happen to have any business interests (or family relations) in the company Good Energy perchance?
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It certainly didn't take her long did it? The proselytising witch. And of course the irony of higher bills is not lost on us sentient and thinking beings.
Just had the misfortune of receiving this piece of junk mail from NT this morning. Simple cut and paste job so no graphics etc:
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We've teamed up with green energy supplier Good Energy to help look after the nation's special places, forever.
When you switch to their dual fuel supply, they'll give us £40 each year you're a customer. This will help us develop more renewable generation projects, like the restoration of the waterwheel at Aberdulais Hydro, in Wales, cutting our energy use and inspiring individuals and communities to do the same.
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They've just been voted number one in the Which? customer satisfaction survey for the second year in a row. And with an energy efficiency advice service that's endorsed by the Energy Saving Trust they can help your bills be lighter on your pocket as well as the planet.
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It certainly didn't take her long did it? The proselytising witch. And of course the irony of higher bills is not lost on us sentient and thinking beings.
Guam said:
kerplunk said:
You mean you won't agree you've made a mistake with the career thing.
I think it's plausible that he had a connection with UEA - a visiting student maybe or an IT techy, somebody like that, His "Combination of several rather improbable prerequisites just wouldn’t occur again for anyone else in the foreseeable future" hints that way, but that doesn't preclude one of those several prerequisites being computer hacking skills though (and the line between 'hacker' and 'insider' gets blurry)
No mistake I was referring to this right at the startI think it's plausible that he had a connection with UEA - a visiting student maybe or an IT techy, somebody like that, His "Combination of several rather improbable prerequisites just wouldn’t occur again for anyone else in the foreseeable future" hints that way, but that doesn't preclude one of those several prerequisites being computer hacking skills though (and the line between 'hacker' and 'insider' gets blurry)
Indeed, it’s singular “I” this time. After certain career developments I can no longer use the papal plural ;-)
Its a fair conclusion that he had assistance from those he was "working with", he is no longer in a position to access those resources is the implication, add that to his other comments, they say insider to most folk <not external hacker>.
That is my last word on the matter with you KP as your approach on this is also pretty self evident.
In this latest he makes clear he had no help - "I prepared CG1 & 2 alone".
kerplunk said:
Can't interests converge then?
Why would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
My own view is that this all started with trying to reduce dependancy on middle east oil reserves and then the law of unintended consequences kicked in beautifully and created this absolute fWhy would there be a need to 'invent' another reason to reduce fossil fuel usage? Everyone can see the prices going up and increasing competition for finite resources.
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