Boris taking a kicking on Andrew Marr show.

[turbobloke]

AnonSpoilSport said:

turbobloke said:

Countdown said:

turbobloke said:

PHers are generally well placed and well prepared to judge any event on its merits.
.

Is there any rationale to that statement? Or is just more unadulterated bullst?

First question - yes. Second question - no.

Did your post add anything or was it just more vacuous invective?

TB, you were leaving Countdown out of the original statement weren't you? No one would claim he was well prepared or well placed to judge much at all, surely...

You will have noted the careful choice of the word 'generally'

The specific case you raised - no more needs to be said.

[AnonSpoilSport]

turbobloke said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

turbobloke said:

Countdown said:

turbobloke said:

PHers are generally well placed and well prepared to judge any event on its merits.
.

Is there any rationale to that statement? Or is just more unadulterated bullst?

First question - yes. Second question - no.

Did your post add anything or was it just more vacuous invective?

TB, you were leaving Countdown out of the original statement weren't you? No one would claim he was well prepared or well placed to judge much at all, surely...

You will have noted the careful choice of the word 'generally'

The specific case you raised - no more needs to be said.

But he will, no doubt!


And don't get me started on the village escapee now known as Rohrl!

[VinceFox]

to repeat an overused quote, that escalated quickly.

Mair seems a bloody good interviewer.

[Gene Vincent]

VinceFox said:

to repeat an overused quote, that escalated quickly.

Mair seems a bloody good interviewer.

Hello Vince!

Jaunty barnet on that called Boris init!

[rohrl]

turbobloke said:

rohrl said:

Countdown said:

turbobloke said:

PHers are generally well placed and well prepared to judge any event on its merits.
.

Is there any rationale to that statement? Or is just more unadulterated bullst?

Well turbobloke said it and he's the moderate, middle-of-the-road voice of sense and reason so it must be true.

Anyone to the left of him is a raving lefty and anyone to the right...

On that ineffective and inaccurate voluntary offering, you're no Mair.

And for sure I'm not Boris.

Well if you don't see yourself as the centrist voice of truth you must accept that a BBC with which you always agreed would be biased. If you accept that your political position and point of view is of the right, and pretty far right at that, then you must understand that even if the BBC was a paragon of balance you'd generally find it to be to the left of you. As it is you seem to accept neither, making out that the BBC is staffed entirely by "lefties" as well as insinuating that anyone who holds an opinion differing from yours must be a fool.

[VinceFox]

Gene Vincent said:

VinceFox said:

to repeat an overused quote, that escalated quickly.

Mair seems a bloody good interviewer.

Hello Vince!

Jaunty barnet on that called Boris init!

very fking jaunty, the c**k garage!

[Gene Vincent]

VinceFox said:

Gene Vincent said:

VinceFox said:

to repeat an overused quote, that escalated quickly.

Mair seems a bloody good interviewer.

Hello Vince!

Jaunty barnet on that called Boris init!

very fking jaunty, the c**k garage!

[Countdown]

AnonSpoilSport said:

TB, you were leaving Countdown out of the original statement weren't you? No one would claim he was well prepared or well placed to judge much at all, surely...

I'd argue that I was well prepared / informed on some subjects and less so on others. Unlike TB I can't speak for the rest of PH.

However According to TB just being a member of PH means I'm "well placed And well prepared to judge any events on its merits". There's no need to factor in my education, background, or experiences when assessing the validity of my opinions. Just being a member of PH gives me extra credence

Now can you see why I considered his comment unadulterated bullst?

[andymadmak]

VinceFox said:

Mair seems a bloody good interviewer.

He's OK. Not in Paxmans league by a long way. Interrupted a bit too much for my liking. Flinging in the single words and interruptions designed to make the interviewer look smart when someone has only just started his answer is not good technique. It might be OK to interrupt when someone has been droning on, but that was hardly the case here.

[AnonSpoilSport]

Countdown said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

TB, you were leaving Countdown out of the original statement weren't you? No one would claim he was well prepared or well placed to judge much at all, surely...

I'd argue that I was well prepared / informed on some subjects and less so on others. Unlike TB I can't speak for the rest of PH.

However According to TB just being a member of PH means I'm "well placed And well prepared to judge any events on its merits". There's no need to factor in my education, background, or experiences when assessing the validity of my opinions. Just being a member of PH gives me extra credence

Now can you see why I considered his comment unadulterated bullst?

Ah, yes. But I only judged you on your posting history.

[turbobloke]

AnonSpoilSport said:

Countdown said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

TB, you were leaving Countdown out of the original statement weren't you? No one would claim he was well prepared or well placed to judge much at all, surely...

I'd argue that I was well prepared / informed on some subjects and less so on others. Unlike TB I can't speak for the rest of PH.

However According to TB just being a member of PH means I'm "well placed And well prepared to judge any events on its merits". There's no need to factor in my education, background, or experiences when assessing the validity of my opinions. Just being a member of PH gives me extra credence

Now can you see why I considered his comment unadulterated bullst?

Ah, yes. But I only judged you on your posting history.

Countdown is also quite wrong in claiming I can speak for PH or that I attempt to, that sin has been committed by those arguing for the PH Squeal, and trotting out 'everyone is right wing' or whatever. Not long ago on this thread I pointed out that PHers are in general capable of judging situations on their merits, you (Anon) replied to it, and I emphasised my use of in general. This is the precise opposite of considering PH as an amorphous mass, which I never have. PHers exercising independent thought is the antithesis of tribal groupthink.

In contrast, the above tactic of putting words into other posters' mouths - after failing to argue from what was actually said - is notoriously commonplace with a certain select number of PHers which does not include you and I. It might include Countdown, others can make their own minds up.

[Countdown]

AnonSpoilSport said:

Ah, yes. But I only judged you on your posting history.

Likewise. However I'm prepared to accept that my view of you might not be the correct one as its based on relatively limited data.

[AnonSpoilSport]

turbobloke said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

Countdown said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

TB, you were leaving Countdown out of the original statement weren't you? No one would claim he was well prepared or well placed to judge much at all, surely...

I'd argue that I was well prepared / informed on some subjects and less so on others. Unlike TB I can't speak for the rest of PH.

However According to TB just being a member of PH means I'm "well placed And well prepared to judge any events on its merits". There's no need to factor in my education, background, or experiences when assessing the validity of my opinions. Just being a member of PH gives me extra credence

Now can you see why I considered his comment unadulterated bullst?

Ah, yes. But I only judged you on your posting history.

Countdown is also quite wrong in claiming I can speak for PH or that I attempt to, that sin has been committed by those arguing for the PH Squeal and everyone is right wing or whatever. Not long ago I pointed out that PHers are in general capable of judging situations on their merits, and you (Anon) replied to it. This is the precise opposite of considering PH as an amorphous mass, which I never have.

In contrast, the above tactic of putting words into other posters' mouths - after failing to argue from what was actually said - is notoriously commonplace with a certain select number of PHers which does not include you and I. It might include Countdown, others can make their own minds up.

Thanks! I think you are right, I don't put words into the mouths of posters like Countdown, Rohrl, Singlecoil and Ozzie Osmond, or imagine them.

I just hear noises. The sort I'd hear near a farm, field or cattle shed.

[AnonSpoilSport]

Countdown said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

Ah, yes. But I only judged you on your posting history.

Likewise. However I'm prepared to accept that my view of you might not be the correct one as its based on relatively limited data.

No, to be fair, I'd bet you'd be right!

[turbobloke]

Countdown said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

Ah, yes. But I only judged you on your posting history.

Likewise. However I'm prepared to accept that my view of you might not be the correct one as its based on relatively limited data.

Even when looking at posts some people get it wrong.

I have never offered unreserved support for CMD, quite the opposite, having posted that he (personally) would not get my vote. Yet this accusation is repeated ad nauseam against me. A waste of time it is too. There are numerous threads and posts in which I oppose Conservative policy on transport, energy, the environment, the EU and aspects of welfare spending. What I have said is that, so far, of the electable Parties, the Conservatives have been the least worse choice albeit by some margin.

The reason I advocate policies for business growth and general cultivation of a climate for doing business within 'UK plc Group' is that wealth creation and jobs creation are self-evidently good for everyone, including those genuinely in need of a safety net - when the private sector is doing well there is more tax flowing in to help those who need help. If only so much of it wasn't wasted.

To help those who need looking after, the first thing governments should do is help those who actually are capable of helping others, this is the private sector via profits and taxes, not the hand-wringing soundbite spouting political classes surrounding the liberal left.

Meanwhile Boris is still a likely future force and thorn in the side of any Party opposing him, regardless of any gutter level beeb party piece.

[Countdown]

AnonSpoilSport said:

Countdown said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

Ah, yes. But I only judged you on your posting history.

Likewise. However I'm prepared to accept that my view of you might not be the correct one as its based on relatively limited data.

No, to be fair, I'd bet you'd be right!

I was fairly sure I was, but thanks for confirming.

[AnonSpoilSport]

Countdown said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

Countdown said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

Ah, yes. But I only judged you on your posting history.

Likewise. However I'm prepared to accept that my view of you might not be the correct one as its based on relatively limited data.

No, to be fair, I'd bet you'd be right!

I was fairly sure I was, but thanks for confirming.

Always pleased to help,









those less fortunate.

[AnonSpoilSport]

turbobloke said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

I prefer to be able to despise my politicians - just feels 'cleaner' that way!

Almost across the board, you're on a winner at the moment.

Dan Hannan?

Well, perhaps I'd let him off. I suppose he seems to believe in what he says/writes and to have some principles.

The other obvious standouts, politicians clearly in it for the greater good and principled, true to their word, include - and to show I'm fair I'll include some from each side:

Baroness Warsi

Tim Yeo

George Galloway

David Milliband

Tony Blair

Dianne Abbott

The ex Selwyn Gummer (the very Right Honourable Lord Debden)

Peter Mandleson (if he can be counted as a 'true' politician)


There must be others like this - we should make a list.

Edited by AnonSpoilSport on Tuesday 26th March 19:07

[Vroomer]

AnonSpoilSport said:

turbobloke said:

AnonSpoilSport said:

I prefer to be able to despise my politicians - just feels 'cleaner' that way!

Almost across the board, you're on a winner at the moment.

Dan Hannan?

Well, perhaps I'd let him off. I suppose he seems to believe in what he says/writes and to have some principles.

The other obvious standouts, politicians clearly in it for the greater good and principled, true to their word, include - and to show I'm fair I'll include some from each side:

Baroness Warsi

Tim Yeo

George Galloway

David Milliband

Tony Blair

Dianne Abbott

The ex Selwyn Gummer (the very Right Honourable Lord Debden)

Peter Mandleson (if he can be counted as a 'true' politician)


There must be others like this - we should make a list.

Edited by AnonSpoilSport on Tuesday 26th March 19:07

Confused by this post: Is he being sincere, sarcastic or ironic?

[Vroomer]

My view:

Baroness Warsi: Passionate and caring

Tim Yeo: Typical old-school Tory

George Galloway: Self-serving egotist and hypocrite

David Milliband: Nauseating career politician

Tony Blair: The ultimate Champagne socialist.

Dianne Abbott: Caring and sincere, but a total hypocrite when it came to her son's education.

The ex Selwyn Gummer (the very Right Honourable Lord Debden): Decent enough chap.

Peter Mandleson (if he can be counted as a 'true' politician): Truly dark and hypocritical.