North Korea - how serious should we take them?
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Likes Fast Cars said:
Efbe said:
well, seems I was right...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39815561
He really is a nutter.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39815561
Efbe said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Efbe said:
well, seems I was right...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39815561
He really is a nutter.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39815561
Efbe said:
well, seems I was right...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39815561
Some poor sods are going to get rounded up and shot with traitor signs around their necks. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39815561
There's some interesting history about the status of Korea and the US here.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/05/the-unknow...
Some bits I picked out to summarize:
Little of this can be blamed on NK, which similarly found itself on the 'wrong' side of this dividing line and then had to work with a fraction of the land and people they had started with, and like the people in East Germany must have had families and relatives living on the other side of the wall/fence. I suspect quite a few families are related between north and south which means that the south and north koreans may view their other halves rather differently to the way we do, same people, same families, different regime.
I suspect left alone for long enough the Koreans would reunite - just like Germany when the USSR stopped meddling, in Korea however is seems the US is the occupier pulling the strings in the south.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/05/the-unknow...
Some bits I picked out to summarize:
VT said:
The Korean people were exuberant in August 1945 with their new freedom after being subjected to a brutal 40-year Japanese occupation of their historically undivided Peninsula. They immediately began creating local democratic peoples’ committees the day after Japan announced on August 14 its intentions to surrender. By August 28, all Korean provinces had created local peoples’ offices and on September 6 delegates from throughout the Peninsula gathered in Seoul, at which time they created the Korean People’s Republic (KPR).
At the February 1945 Yalta conference, President Roosevelt suggested to Stalin, without consulting the Koreans, that Korea should be placed under joint trusteeship following the war before being granted her independence. On August 11, two days after the second atomic bomb was dropped assuring Japan’s imminent surrender, and three days after Russian forces entered Manchuria and Korea to oust the Japanese as was agreed to avoid further U.S. casualties, Truman hurriedly ordered his War Department to choose a dividing line for Korea.
Two young colonels, Dean Rusk (later to be Secretary of State under President’s Kennedy and Johnson during the Vietnam War) and Charles H. Bonesteel, were given 30 minutes to resolve the matter. The 38th parallel was quickly, and quietly, chosen, placing the historic capital city of Seoul and 70 percent, or 21 of Korea’s 30 million people in the “American” southern zone.
The Korean People’s Republic officially formed just two days prior to the first arrival of U.S. forces was almost immediately shunned by the U.S. who decided its preference was to stand behind conservative politicians representing the traditional land-owning elite. The U.S. helped in the formation on September 16 of the conservative Korean Democratic Party (KDP)
In November the U.S. Military Governor outlawed all strikes and in December declared the KPR and all its activities illegal. In effect the U.S. had declared war on the popular movement of Korea south of the 38th Parallel and set in motion a repressive campaign that later became excessively brutal, dismantling the Peoples’ Committees and their supporters throughout the south.
By the fall of 1946, disgruntled workers declared a strike that spread throughout South Korea. By December the combination of the KNP, the Constabulary, and the right-wing paramilitary units, supplemented by U.S. firepower and intelligence, had contained the insurrections in all provinces. More than 1,000 Koreans were killed with more than 30,000 jailed. Regional and local leaders of the popular movement were either dead, in jail, or driven underground.
A number of Koreans were injured and several were tortured, then killed. This incident provoked a dramatic escalation of armed resistance to the U.S./Rhee regime. The police state went into full force, regularly guided by U.S. military advisors, and often supported by U.S. military firepower and occasional ground troops. On the Island of Cheju alone, within a year as many as 60,000 of its 300,000 residents had been murdered, while another 40,000 fled by sea to nearby Japan.
Over 230 of the Island’s 400 villages had been totally scorched with 40,000 homes burned to the ground. As many as 100,000 people were herded into government compounds. The remainder, it has been reported, became collaborators in order to survive. On the mainland guerrilla activities escalated in most of the provinces. The Rhee/U.S. forces conducted a ruthless campaign of cleansing the south of all dissidents, usually identifying them as “communists,” though in fact most popular leaders in the south were socialists unaffiliated with outside “communist” organizations.
So it appears that Korea had one idea of what they wanted to do but Roosevelt and Stalin decided to carve it up regardless. This provides the backdrop for the current protests in SK against the US missile system because it wasn't a case of the plucky south koreans resisting the nasty communists, rather the division was arbitrary and decided from outside and te Korean had very little choice in the matter.At the February 1945 Yalta conference, President Roosevelt suggested to Stalin, without consulting the Koreans, that Korea should be placed under joint trusteeship following the war before being granted her independence. On August 11, two days after the second atomic bomb was dropped assuring Japan’s imminent surrender, and three days after Russian forces entered Manchuria and Korea to oust the Japanese as was agreed to avoid further U.S. casualties, Truman hurriedly ordered his War Department to choose a dividing line for Korea.
Two young colonels, Dean Rusk (later to be Secretary of State under President’s Kennedy and Johnson during the Vietnam War) and Charles H. Bonesteel, were given 30 minutes to resolve the matter. The 38th parallel was quickly, and quietly, chosen, placing the historic capital city of Seoul and 70 percent, or 21 of Korea’s 30 million people in the “American” southern zone.
The Korean People’s Republic officially formed just two days prior to the first arrival of U.S. forces was almost immediately shunned by the U.S. who decided its preference was to stand behind conservative politicians representing the traditional land-owning elite. The U.S. helped in the formation on September 16 of the conservative Korean Democratic Party (KDP)
In November the U.S. Military Governor outlawed all strikes and in December declared the KPR and all its activities illegal. In effect the U.S. had declared war on the popular movement of Korea south of the 38th Parallel and set in motion a repressive campaign that later became excessively brutal, dismantling the Peoples’ Committees and their supporters throughout the south.
By the fall of 1946, disgruntled workers declared a strike that spread throughout South Korea. By December the combination of the KNP, the Constabulary, and the right-wing paramilitary units, supplemented by U.S. firepower and intelligence, had contained the insurrections in all provinces. More than 1,000 Koreans were killed with more than 30,000 jailed. Regional and local leaders of the popular movement were either dead, in jail, or driven underground.
A number of Koreans were injured and several were tortured, then killed. This incident provoked a dramatic escalation of armed resistance to the U.S./Rhee regime. The police state went into full force, regularly guided by U.S. military advisors, and often supported by U.S. military firepower and occasional ground troops. On the Island of Cheju alone, within a year as many as 60,000 of its 300,000 residents had been murdered, while another 40,000 fled by sea to nearby Japan.
Over 230 of the Island’s 400 villages had been totally scorched with 40,000 homes burned to the ground. As many as 100,000 people were herded into government compounds. The remainder, it has been reported, became collaborators in order to survive. On the mainland guerrilla activities escalated in most of the provinces. The Rhee/U.S. forces conducted a ruthless campaign of cleansing the south of all dissidents, usually identifying them as “communists,” though in fact most popular leaders in the south were socialists unaffiliated with outside “communist” organizations.
Little of this can be blamed on NK, which similarly found itself on the 'wrong' side of this dividing line and then had to work with a fraction of the land and people they had started with, and like the people in East Germany must have had families and relatives living on the other side of the wall/fence. I suspect quite a few families are related between north and south which means that the south and north koreans may view their other halves rather differently to the way we do, same people, same families, different regime.
I suspect left alone for long enough the Koreans would reunite - just like Germany when the USSR stopped meddling, in Korea however is seems the US is the occupier pulling the strings in the south.
BlackLabel said:
He does a few TV shows and now he thinks he's a F.A.G - https://youtu.be/qOH9trJLedk?t=78Globs said:
So it appears that Korea had one idea of what they wanted to do but Roosevelt and Stalin decided to carve it up regardless. This provides the backdrop for the current protests in SK against the US missile system because it wasn't a case of the plucky south koreans resisting the nasty communists, rather the division was arbitrary and decided from outside and te Korean had very little choice in the matter.
Little of this can be blamed on NK, which similarly found itself on the 'wrong' side of this dividing line and then had to work with a fraction of the land and people they had started with, and like the people in East Germany must have had families and relatives living on the other side of the wall/fence. I suspect quite a few families are related between north and south which means that the south and north koreans may view their other halves rather differently to the way we do, same people, same families, different regime.
I suspect left alone for long enough the Koreans would reunite - just like Germany when the USSR stopped meddling, in Korea however is seems the US is the occupier pulling the strings in the south.
The South Koreans' protesting of US missiles is just the tip of the iceberg there.Little of this can be blamed on NK, which similarly found itself on the 'wrong' side of this dividing line and then had to work with a fraction of the land and people they had started with, and like the people in East Germany must have had families and relatives living on the other side of the wall/fence. I suspect quite a few families are related between north and south which means that the south and north koreans may view their other halves rather differently to the way we do, same people, same families, different regime.
I suspect left alone for long enough the Koreans would reunite - just like Germany when the USSR stopped meddling, in Korea however is seems the US is the occupier pulling the strings in the south.
You are hard pushed to find any South Koreans who do not habour huge resentment to the Americans. Hatred of them is widespread.
You see this in the media and politics as well.
I don't know if the above story is really known by SK, as I never heard anything of this, but the Koreans are a very closed peoples. It's incredibly difficult to get the real story from them if you are not korean.
Efbe said:
You are hard pushed to find any South Koreans who do not habour huge resentment to the Americans. Hatred of them is widespread. You see this in the media and politics as well.
I don't know if the above story is really known by SK, as I never heard anything of this, but the Koreans are a very closed peoples. It's incredibly difficult to get the real story from them if you are not korean.
How did you get the real story then?I don't know if the above story is really known by SK, as I never heard anything of this, but the Koreans are a very closed peoples. It's incredibly difficult to get the real story from them if you are not korean.
mybrainhurts said:
Efbe said:
You are hard pushed to find any South Koreans who do not habour huge resentment to the Americans. Hatred of them is widespread. You see this in the media and politics as well.
I don't know if the above story is really known by SK, as I never heard anything of this, but the Koreans are a very closed peoples. It's incredibly difficult to get the real story from them if you are not korean.
How did you get the real story then?I don't know if the above story is really known by SK, as I never heard anything of this, but the Koreans are a very closed peoples. It's incredibly difficult to get the real story from them if you are not korean.
ABZ RS6 said:
Fat lad at it again, apparently chucked another missile up.
How long before Donald decides this would be a great distraction from local s
t and puts pie boy back in his bunker?
I hope you're not suggesting that the President of the United States would do anything rash, without properly thinking it through, whether it's an appropriate response......etc etc ?How long before Donald decides this would be a great distraction from local s
t and puts pie boy back in his bunker?
Robertj21a said:
ABZ RS6 said:
Fat lad at it again, apparently chucked another missile up.
How long before Donald decides this would be a great distraction from local st and puts pie boy back in his bunker?
I hope you're not suggesting that the President of the United States would do anything rash, without properly thinking it through, whether it's an appropriate response......etc etc ?How long before Donald decides this would be a great distraction from local s
t and puts pie boy back in his bunker?scherzkeks said:
Cobnapint said:
Nothing will happen until Fatty tests another nuke.
Nothing should happen unless he actually attacks someone. I realize that in neo-con fantasy land, this is not a requirement.
Apart from the annual military manoeuvres with the South (which are conducted to try and counter fatty's belligerence), NOBODY is threatening the North. Yet he, his diplomats, NK's state TV and schools display a constant obsession about war, and the death and destruction of the west.
Heed the warning signs. Many didn't (apart from Churchill) in the late 30's.
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