North Korea - how serious should we take them?

[Likes Fast Cars]

blinkythefish said:

Evangelion said:

That's a first, a conspiracy theory trotted out before the event has even taken place!

"They" only want you to think that it hasn't happened yet, they are waiting for the optimum moment to announce it.

When did you last see the USS Reagan? Think about it! It's massive, you'd think you would be able to see it. I haven't seen it recently, that clearly means its already been scuttled to avoid the cost of washing it.

Here you go -

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/uss-ron...

[schmunk]

Likes Fast Cars said:

blinkythefish said:

Evangelion said:

That's a first, a conspiracy theory trotted out before the event has even taken place!

"They" only want you to think that it hasn't happened yet, they are waiting for the optimum moment to announce it.

When did you last see the USS Reagan? Think about it! It's massive, you'd think you would be able to see it. I haven't seen it recently, that clearly means its already been scuttled to avoid the cost of washing it.

Here you go -

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/09/politics/uss-ron...

[Cobnapint]

UN votes to extend sanctions.....

http://news.sky.com/story/un-extends-north-korea-s...

What time's the next missile test..........?

[jmorgan]

Cobnapint said:

UN votes to extend sanctions.....

http://news.sky.com/story/un-extends-north-korea-s...

What time's the next missile test..........?

That will learn em.

[FourWheelDrift]

jmorgan said:

Cobnapint said:

UN votes to extend sanctions.....

http://news.sky.com/story/un-extends-north-korea-s...

What time's the next missile test..........?

That will learn em.

but the UN never learn - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIPSvIz9NDs

[AreOut]

have they attached a strongly worded letter?

[hidetheelephants]

alanwul said:

hidetheelephants said:

alanwul said:

hidetheelephants said:

a personal visit by navy SEALs or the SAS

Fella, if that were possible it would have happened a long time ago. You massively overestimate the capabilities of these types of military organisations. It's not like the films you know.

Rhetorical flourish; the facts are that in the aftermath of GW2 a deal was done with Muammar that resulted in him keeping his job, his bank balance, his head on his shoulders and Libya giving up WMD.

What's that got to do with US Navy Seals or the British SAS going into North Korea to kill Kim? It also begs the question of why we haven't given Kim that option already. After all, he's already got Nukes and is on the brink of getting an inter continental delivery system - something Muammar could only dream of.

The West couldn't kill the leaders of NK whilst at war with them what makes you think that it's any easier now? Do you think China will be happy with the US killing a head of state of a country on their border? Russia won't be happy either. Let's say kim is assassinated - who's his successor, another family member with similar views but one who's now very angry at the US?

Killing Kim is a rabbit hole.

How very tedious; at no time have I said that assassinating Fatty Kim would be a good idea or that it would be done by special forces, but carry on knitting strawmen out of non-existent material.

[alanwul]

hidetheelephants said:

alanwul said:

hidetheelephants said:

alanwul said:

hidetheelephants said:

a personal visit by navy SEALs or the SAS

Fella, if that were possible it would have happened a long time ago. You massively overestimate the capabilities of these types of military organisations. It's not like the films you know.

Rhetorical flourish; the facts are that in the aftermath of GW2 a deal was done with Muammar that resulted in him keeping his job, his bank balance, his head on his shoulders and Libya giving up WMD.

What's that got to do with US Navy Seals or the British SAS going into North Korea to kill Kim? It also begs the question of why we haven't given Kim that option already. After all, he's already got Nukes and is on the brink of getting an inter continental delivery system - something Muammar could only dream of.

The West couldn't kill the leaders of NK whilst at war with them what makes you think that it's any easier now? Do you think China will be happy with the US killing a head of state of a country on their border? Russia won't be happy either. Let's say kim is assassinated - who's his successor, another family member with similar views but one who's now very angry at the US?

Killing Kim is a rabbit hole.

How very tedious; at no time have I said that assassinating Fatty Kim would be a good idea or that it would be done by special forces, but carry on knitting strawmen out of non-existent material.

Oh, sorry, my mistake, we'll be sending the Navy Seals and SAS round for cuppa with Kim in order to administer a stern talking to. Gotcha.

[hidetheelephants]

alanwul said:

hidetheelephants said:

alanwul said:

hidetheelephants said:

alanwul said:

hidetheelephants said:

a personal visit by navy SEALs or the SAS

Fella, if that were possible it would have happened a long time ago. You massively overestimate the capabilities of these types of military organisations. It's not like the films you know.

Rhetorical flourish; the facts are that in the aftermath of GW2 a deal was done with Muammar that resulted in him keeping his job, his bank balance, his head on his shoulders and Libya giving up WMD.

What's that got to do with US Navy Seals or the British SAS going into North Korea to kill Kim? It also begs the question of why we haven't given Kim that option already. After all, he's already got Nukes and is on the brink of getting an inter continental delivery system - something Muammar could only dream of.

The West couldn't kill the leaders of NK whilst at war with them what makes you think that it's any easier now? Do you think China will be happy with the US killing a head of state of a country on their border? Russia won't be happy either. Let's say kim is assassinated - who's his successor, another family member with similar views but one who's now very angry at the US?

Killing Kim is a rabbit hole.

How very tedious; at no time have I said that assassinating Fatty Kim would be a good idea or that it would be done by special forces, but carry on knitting strawmen out of non-existent material.

Oh, sorry, my mistake, we'll be sending the Navy Seals and SAS round for cuppa with Kim in order to administer a stern talking to. Gotcha.

Here's what I wrote along with the previous posts for context; please point out where I said assassinating Kim is a good idea or that it would be done by special forces. You will struggle because I did not at any point do so.

hidetheelephants said:

Efbe said:

Cobnapint said:

The point I'm trying to make is this. He could just sit there, stfu, and live his little life being in charge of his own parish, killing and locking up who he likes, doing a bit of trade with China, shagging who he likes and having 24/7 access to unlimited stocks of black forest gateau.

But he isn't. He's drawing attention to himself.

If the USA told the UK to get rid of our Nuclear weapons, would you?

Yes or no answer.

Crappy strawman; a better example would be the free world suggesting to a brutal dictator that abandoning WMD research and development would result in a future life not involving a personal visit by navy SEALs or the SAS, him agreeing and everyone living happily ever after, or at least until the oppressed masses overthrew his regime and killed him in a ditch. Colonel Gaddafi seems a more plausible comparison with Fatty Kim as far as this armchair analyst is concerned.

[Tonberry]

How serious should be take North Korea? Not very.

They're just the latest in a long line of convenient bogeymen for the West.

I have no doubt that NK has nuclear capability but what purpose would it serve to utilise it?

Kim has a good thing going whereby his citizens are well behaved and aren't in danger of starting an uprising. Whipping up patriotic sentiment and posturing on the world stage is a great way to keep the people on side whilst giving them something to focus on rather than the troubles present in domestic policy. We should know, both the US and UK are guilty of exactly the same.

Expanding military capability is just something that all nations do as it is widely considered to be an important barometer of global pecking order.

[hidetheelephants]

Tonberry said:

Kim has a good thing going whereby his citizens are well behaved and aren't in danger of starting an uprising. Whipping up patriotic sentiment and posturing on the world stage is a great way to keep the people on side whilst giving them something to focus on rather than the troubles present in domestic policy. We should know, both the US and UK are guilty of exactly the same.

I'm pretty sure it's the rounding up hundreds of thousands of dissidents, petty criminals and refuseniks and interning them or summarily executing them that's motivating the 'correct' behaviour rather than the photo-ops with missiles, st parades and crap TV.

[Tonberry]

hidetheelephants said:

I'm pretty sure it's the rounding up hundreds of thousands of dissidents, petty criminals and refuseniks and interning them or summarily executing them that's motivating the 'correct' behaviour rather than the photo-ops with missiles, st parades and crap TV.

I wouldn't disagree, though I imagine the promotion of an imaginary conflict with the West would go a long way to justifying the behaviour of their Government to their people.

I would also wager that there is little interest in the distreatment of the North Korean people by the majority of the UK public or indeed our Government.

Instead its, "Look, look, that crazy guy over there has nuclear weapons and wants to annihilate the planet!"

[Mobile Chicane]

Let's not overstate the threat here.

Realistically, the only way North Korea are going to send a nuclear missile to the UK is via FedEx.

[hidetheelephants]

Mobile Chicane said:

Let's not overstate the threat here.

Realistically, the only way North Korea are going to send a nuclear missile to the UK is via FedEx.

Amazon drone shirley?

[FourWheelDrift]

hidetheelephants said:

Mobile Chicane said:

Let's not overstate the threat here.

Realistically, the only way North Korea are going to send a nuclear missile to the UK is via FedEx.

Amazon drone shirley?

They'd use a Tesco Value delivery service



Currant Bun not the Mail - https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/3691573/tesco-makes-...

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[MartG]

AreOut said:

have they attached a strongly worded letter?

I heard the 'Tut tut' was all in caps

[dudleybloke]

He's been shooting stuff about again.

[Cobnapint]

The last two paragraphs of Sky's piece concern me more than anything else. The new SK president supposedly preventing the US fully commissioning their anti-missile system so he can appease China.
And the fact that China, who says it doesn't want war on the peninsula, opposed the anti-missile system in the first place.

http://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-test-fires-m...

[Likes Fast Cars]

Cobnapint said:

The last two paragraphs of Sky's piece concern me more than anything else. The new SK president supposedly preventing the US fully commissioning their anti-missile system so he can appease China.
And the fact that China, who says it doesn't want war on the peninsula, opposed the anti-missile system in the first place.

http://news.sky.com/story/north-korea-test-fires-m...

Bad move by SK if you ask me.