North Korea - how serious should we take them?

[Mannginger]

johnxjsc1985 said:

I'd say we are as close to a Nuclear war as we have been for decades and it shouldn't be under estimated how far the two "leaders" are willing to go to protect their Ego's.

I'd agree with the first part but my concerns are more about something happening accidentally and escalating too quickly for considered decision making rather than a "screw you too" reaction from wither Trump or Kim. That said their mutual rhetoric has scaled things up to the point that the accident could happen so it'd would clearly be related if war did happen.

I'm still on the side of it'll all calm down again though even if I think that having a nuclear armed NK with ICBMs that can hit around the world is a terrible idea, I just can't see a way of preventing it without triggering a war that would have a high chance of becoming a genuinely global conflict.

UN/US / whomever should have actively intervened in 2004/5 but hind-sight etc etc

[768]

Pretty unpleasant listening - Otto Warmbier's parents on his condition before he died.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/26/otto-warmbier...

[SpeckledJim]

Mannginger said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

I'd say we are as close to a Nuclear war as we have been for decades and it shouldn't be under estimated how far the two "leaders" are willing to go to protect their Ego's.

I'd agree with the first part but my concerns are more about something happening accidentally and escalating too quickly for considered decision making rather than a "screw you too" reaction from wither Trump or Kim. That said their mutual rhetoric has scaled things up to the point that the accident could happen so it'd would clearly be related if war did happen.

I'm still on the side of it'll all calm down again though even if I think that having a nuclear armed NK with ICBMs that can hit around the world is a terrible idea, I just can't see a way of preventing it without triggering a war that would have a high chance of becoming a genuinely global conflict.

UN/US / whomever should have actively intervened in 2004/5 but hind-sight etc etc

Any false positives on early warning systems could be disastrous at the moment.

I hope there's a lot of sober heads on both sides doing a lot of sensible talking to each other down the batphones, whilst the moronic showboating goes on in public.

[Cobnapint]

768 said:

Pretty unpleasant listening - Otto Warmbier's parents on his condition before he died.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/26/otto-warmbier...

Scary stuff, and a wake-up call to those on here that seem to think we're dealing with a rational state that's being victimised by the US.

[Dan_1981]

Cobnapint said:

768 said:

Pretty unpleasant listening - Otto Warmbier's parents on his condition before he died.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/26/otto-warmbier...

Scary stuff, and a wake-up call to those on here that seem to think we're dealing with a rational state that's being victimised by the US.

The local US coroner however claims his teeth were normal, his body was fine and he died from a lack of oxygen to the brain. Still not a good thing but a long way away from twisted, deformed limbs, ruined teeth and a scared body.

[AreOut]

Mannginger said:

I'm still on the side of it'll all calm down again though even if I think that having a nuclear armed NK with ICBMs that can hit around the world is a terrible idea, I just can't see a way of preventing it without triggering a war that would have a high chance of becoming a genuinely global conflict.

I don't think that China&Russia are interested in any wars right now (unless directly threatened). I feel they'd also want fat boy to go away but they don't want to get their hands dirty(and risk their own people) so they'll leave it to US...

[768]

3 months community service posting as JawKnee in NPE?

[skwdenyer]

Nanook said:

Dan_1981 said:

Cobnapint said:

768 said:

Pretty unpleasant listening - Otto Warmbier's parents on his condition before he died.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/26/otto-warmbier...

Scary stuff, and a wake-up call to those on here that seem to think we're dealing with a rational state that's being victimised by the US.

The local US coroner however claims his teeth were normal, his body was fine and he died from a lack of oxygen to the brain. Still not a good thing but a long way away from twisted, deformed limbs, ruined teeth and a scared body.

Whatever the actual events were, I'm sure he didn't have a nice time of it.

But how stupid do you need to be to go on holiday to North Korea, and steal a sign from a hotel.

What do you think is going to happen to you when you do that? A selfie with "Dear Leader" and hop on a flight home?

Indeed. Getting banged-up for being drunk in charge of an ego will not go well in a wide range of countries...

[TameRacingDriver]

Nanook said:

But how stupid do you need to be to go on holiday to North Korea, and steal a sign from a hotel.

What do you think is going to happen to you when you do that? A selfie with "Dear Leader" and hop on a flight home?

How can we be sure he actually did it and wasn't fitted up? Wouldn't put it past them to do anything like that. You would literally have to be nuts just to go to NK as an American tbf.

[Chimune]

If I were Isis, I'd be looking for a way of encouraging a miscalculation. A lot easier to take people back to the Stone Age, if most of it is rubble already!

[XM5ER]

Nanook said:

Whatever the actual events were, I'm sure he didn't have a nice time of it.

But how stupid do you need to be to go on holiday to North Korea, and steal a sign from a hotel.

What do you think is going to happen to you when you do that? A selfie with "Dear Leader" and hop on a flight home?

Is this you?
https://youtu.be/8EI7p2p1QJI

[hidetheelephants]

Cobnapint said:

gadgetmac said:

So the US go to the UN to get them to denounce the North Koreans testing nukes whilst simultaneously refusing to sign a UN global test ban treaty themselves...along with all the usual culprits (ie Israel, Pakistan etc)

LOL

It's probably due to the phrasing of the test ban. I guess it bans ALL testing and may even prevent computer simulation testing in a lab - which is what the US still does.

How exactly do you ban modelling? What once required a room-sized supercomputer from Cray or IBM can now be done on a decent desktop.

[Efbe]

firstly, no simulations aren't part of test bans. Otherwise doom, duke nukem, civilisation would all be off the shelves.

but, exactly which treaty is this the US didn't sign up to?

[CoolHands]

Couldn't they use gps satellite stuff to fk up the direction of any real nukes whizzing through the sky? I thought Russia had been experimenting with stuff like that hence why that US boat keeps crashing into tankers. They fake the gps signal so the device thinks it's somewhere else.

[anonymous-user]

ICBM's don't use GPS to navigate, they use various inertia based systems and fine tune by using the position of the stars as reference.

[Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah]

Cobnapint said:

768 said:

Pretty unpleasant listening - Otto Warmbier's parents on his condition before he died.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/26/otto-warmbier...

Scary stuff, and a wake-up call to those on here that seem to think we're dealing with a rational state that's being victimised by the US.

It's a heartbreaking read. I wouldn't inflict that suffering on a fly, let alone a fellow human. bds!

[skyrover]

CoolHands said:

Couldn't they use gps satellite stuff to fk up the direction of any real nukes whizzing through the sky? I thought Russia had been experimenting with stuff like that hence why that US boat keeps crashing into tankers. They fake the gps signal so the device thinks it's somewhere else.

Have you been watching "tomorrow never dies"?

[Register1]

AreOut said:

Mannginger said:

I'm still on the side of it'll all calm down again though even if I think that having a nuclear armed NK with ICBMs that can hit around the world is a terrible idea, I just can't see a way of preventing it without triggering a war that would have a high chance of becoming a genuinely global conflict.

I don't think that China&Russia are interested in any wars right now (unless directly threatened). I feel they'd also want fat boy to go away but they don't want to get their hands dirty(and risk their own people) so they'll leave it to US...

Correct.
China have no intention of any conflict in representing NK.

They are more concerned with bringing China to the forefront of the world.
Wars cost a lot of money.
China has a vast sums of money, but they are not about to spend it on behalf of the predicament they NK have got them selves into.

[WestyCarl]

Register1 said:

Correct.
China have no intention of any conflict in representing NK.

They are more concerned with bringing China to the forefront of the world.
Wars cost a lot of money.
China has a vast sums of money, but they are not about to spend it on behalf of the predicament they NK have got them selves into.

I'd wager a small part of the China strategy is to continue to let NK rattle Trumps cage and demonstrate his incompetence to the rest of the world. However I can't see China letting it escalate into actual war.

[gadgetmac]

Efbe said:

firstly, no simulations aren't part of test bans. Otherwise doom, duke nukem, civilisation would all be off the shelves.

but, exactly which treaty is this the US didn't sign up to?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Nuclear-Test-Ban_Treaty