North Korea - how serious should we take them?
Discussion
poo at Paul's said:
Gad-Westy said:
Notice right at the end, as soon as the car goes behind them trees, they stop running and get picked up in that wagon behind! Given that he was in a no doubt armoured car and there was no sign of protest or crowds I'm not entirely sure what the men in suits running achieved.
Sa Calobra said:
Boris and Trump were caustic in their appraisal of events. I hope it goes amazingly. That'll rub salt.
A real good news story for once. Almost rub eyes/can't believe what I'm seeing.
Don’t believe it. This is down to one thing: strongly enforced sanctions.A real good news story for once. Almost rub eyes/can't believe what I'm seeing.
Why won’t people ever learn? You can’t negotiate with tyrants. They only understand force.
I'm trying to get my head around it, it's baffling me. I think, as per above, that China has had much to do with it. They're his only friend in Billy no mates land no less. He's backed himself in to a corner and they've had stern words.
The US owes more than a trillion dollars to them, do they really want to pick a side?
I still have more questions than answers, even if I have my suspicions.
Oh, and I believe Trump had sweet bugger FA bearing on this taking place. Glory taking moron.
The US owes more than a trillion dollars to them, do they really want to pick a side?
I still have more questions than answers, even if I have my suspicions.
Oh, and I believe Trump had sweet bugger FA bearing on this taking place. Glory taking moron.
El stovey said:
Cobnapint said:
I very much doubt it.
Can't see the barbed wire and machine gun nests coming down, there's be a stampede in a southerly direction, leaving Kim reigning over just himself and a few devoted side kicks.
This is more the start of a long term takeover bid of the South by the North.
The north has food shortages power cuts and a dodgy fake DisneylandCan't see the barbed wire and machine gun nests coming down, there's be a stampede in a southerly direction, leaving Kim reigning over just himself and a few devoted side kicks.
This is more the start of a long term takeover bid of the South by the North.
The south has super fast broadband, Netflix, McDonald’s and gangnam style
If the border comes down, the N Korean regime will be gone and replaced by chaos followed by criminal gangs and then some kind of pretend democracy like in Russia with Kim’s cronies taking over the industry.
Expect to see rich N Koreans draped in Gucci buying up London in ten years time.
John145 said:
Sa Calobra said:
Boris and Trump were caustic in their appraisal of events. I hope it goes amazingly. That'll rub salt.
A real good news story for once. Almost rub eyes/can't believe what I'm seeing.
Don’t believe it. This is down to one thing: strongly enforced sanctions.A real good news story for once. Almost rub eyes/can't believe what I'm seeing.
Why won’t people ever learn? You can’t negotiate with tyrants. They only understand force.
TroubledSoul said:
Efbe]roubledSoul said:
- De-nuclearisation; They have the tech now. They could feasibly dispose of the current stockpile safe in the knowledge that should tensions rise again, they have the know-how and capability to build more. This gets sanctions lifted.
/quote]
Thing is with nukes, that it doesn't matter if the ones they have would work or not. It's the threat that they could work.
So far they have worked very well for NK, so I really don't see them getting rid of them.
Any other country in a similar position, (i.e. isolationist regime ruled over by a despot) has been invaded. Nukes seem to have sorted that for them. What a lesson for others!
Good point /quote]
Thing is with nukes, that it doesn't matter if the ones they have would work or not. It's the threat that they could work.
So far they have worked very well for NK, so I really don't see them getting rid of them.
Any other country in a similar position, (i.e. isolationist regime ruled over by a despot) has been invaded. Nukes seem to have sorted that for them. What a lesson for others!
He was at no risk whatsoever of being invaded in the time period 'before' he had the nukes.
Having them has just increased tensions, along with the risk that somebody like Trump would come along and want to take action to get rid of them.
He was far better off before, no sanctions, nobody threatening to blow him to kingdom come, and still in power to kill whoever he likes while the rest clap him to death.
Last Visit said:
poo at Paul's said:
Gad-Westy said:
Notice right at the end, as soon as the car goes behind them trees, they stop running and get picked up in that wagon behind! Given that he was in a no doubt armoured car and there was no sign of protest or crowds I'm not entirely sure what the men in suits running achieved.
Sa Calobra said:
Boris and Trump were caustic in their appraisal of events. I hope it goes amazingly. That'll rub salt.
A real good news story for once. Almost rub eyes/can't believe what I'm seeing.
Oh don't worry, it'll last just long enough to get foreign forces out of South Korea.A real good news story for once. Almost rub eyes/can't believe what I'm seeing.
Kccv23highliftcam said:
Sa Calobra said:
Boris and Trump were caustic in their appraisal of events. I hope it goes amazingly. That'll rub salt.
A real good news story for once. Almost rub eyes/can't believe what I'm seeing.
Oh don't worry, it'll last just long enough to get foreign forces out of South Korea.A real good news story for once. Almost rub eyes/can't believe what I'm seeing.
The implications are much broader though. Take Iran; Trump is making silly noises about the deal there, and so I should think there are some hard-liners in Tehran thinking something along the lines of:
"If the US was forced to play nice when North Korea got the bomb, perhaps we should do the same?"
In essence, any country that has a serious beef with the US could conceivably do the same in the knowledge that it would force them to back down. And if Iran does decide to nuclearise then Saudi Arabia will almost certainly have to follow, and then we're in a whole new situation.
Countdown said:
Saddam, Gaddafi, and Assad might disagree with you.
Yeah but the US has been burned in Korea before...the North has a huge army even if ill-equipped and most of their soldiers won't run away easily from a fight like many of those in Irag, Libya etc. The US knows invading NK would be very costly in terms of loss of life. Sure, they would win but at a far larger cost than anyone back home would accept.
Invading NK was never a realistic option. Add nukes and it has become far more dangerous for the West but also for China and so I tend to agree that China has had far more involvement and influence that any other country in this current turn of events. They have seen NK escalate to a point that they simply had no choice but to step in an sort it all out - for their own border interests and to improve relations with the US.
poo at Paul's said:
Is anyone falling for the NK s
t? Surely not??
The SK leader has the hook well and truly stuck in the roof of his mouth.t? Surely not??If it were left to him I'm sure he'd be declaring that him and Kim are besties now Kim has crossed his heart and hoped to die that he'd get his nukes cut up when he got back.
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