North Korea - how serious should we take them?
Discussion
bristolracer said:
Not much Trump can do
If he sends the F15s in, he will need the support of South Korea which they may not give as NK has an awful lot of conventional artillery which could shell Seoul as retaliation
Kim is probably ahead in the propaganda war at home,claiming he went to the talks for peace and the Americans refused to negotiate.
Kim has to get his timing right, he needs to get concessions from the Americans before Trump gets the boot in 18 months, as the next President will likely shut the door in his face.
American governments like to have a bogey man somewhere, It justifies their military spending and highlights to the world that they are the guardians of freedom and democracy. NK is an easy target, countries like Iran less so.
Perhaps Trump won’t need to do much in the face of food shortages.If he sends the F15s in, he will need the support of South Korea which they may not give as NK has an awful lot of conventional artillery which could shell Seoul as retaliation
Kim is probably ahead in the propaganda war at home,claiming he went to the talks for peace and the Americans refused to negotiate.
Kim has to get his timing right, he needs to get concessions from the Americans before Trump gets the boot in 18 months, as the next President will likely shut the door in his face.
American governments like to have a bogey man somewhere, It justifies their military spending and highlights to the world that they are the guardians of freedom and democracy. NK is an easy target, countries like Iran less so.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-sanc...
eldar said:
Perhaps Trump won’t need to do much in the face of food shortages.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-sanc...
I doubt Kim cares, if millions starve he will either blame it on American sanctions or he wont tell the population how many are dying, and I doubt the starving will be looking to overthrow their dear leader. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-sanc...
One thing is for sure, his waistline wont be getting any slimmer.
bristolracer said:
Not much Trump can do
If he sends the F15s in, he will need the support of South Korea which they may not give as NK has an awful lot of conventional artillery which could shell Seoul as retaliation
Kim is probably ahead in the propaganda war at home,claiming he went to the talks for peace and the Americans refused to negotiate.
Kim has to get his timing right, he needs to get concessions from the Americans before Trump gets the boot in 18 months, as the next President will likely shut the door in his face.
American governments like to have a bogey man somewhere, It justifies their military spending and highlights to the world that they are the guardians of freedom and democracy. NK is an easy target, countries like Iran less so.
There's lots Trump can do. Whether he chooses to do it is another matter...If he sends the F15s in, he will need the support of South Korea which they may not give as NK has an awful lot of conventional artillery which could shell Seoul as retaliation
Kim is probably ahead in the propaganda war at home,claiming he went to the talks for peace and the Americans refused to negotiate.
Kim has to get his timing right, he needs to get concessions from the Americans before Trump gets the boot in 18 months, as the next President will likely shut the door in his face.
American governments like to have a bogey man somewhere, It justifies their military spending and highlights to the world that they are the guardians of freedom and democracy. NK is an easy target, countries like Iran less so.
bristolracer said:
Not much Trump can do
If he sends the F15s in, he will need the support of South Korea which they may not give as NK has an awful lot of conventional artillery which could shell Seoul as retaliation
I honestly think Seoul is less concerned about that than the aftermath of the war. Militarily the result is a foregone conclusion however that means 25 million people will need to be integrated into a radically different society, most will have minimal education and employable skills. I'm pretty sure the SK government has looked at the re-unification of Germany and realised it'll be 10 times worse for them. If he sends the F15s in, he will need the support of South Korea which they may not give as NK has an awful lot of conventional artillery which could shell Seoul as retaliation
SK's population is around 51 million. So nearly 50%.
There isn't much Trump can do militarily without the consent of the Joint Chiefs, and they're not exactly singing his tune after he's tried to rob them of 5 billion for his wall. On the diplomatic front, a tactful play with Beijing may yield better results than 100 F-15's (or even FA18's as it'll be mostly naval air forces) but Trump is hardly know for being deft and tactful. It's Beijing and Beijing alone that can pull Kim's strings.
skwdenyer said:
bristolracer said:
Not much Trump can do
If he sends the F15s in, he will need the support of South Korea which they may not give as NK has an awful lot of conventional artillery which could shell Seoul as retaliation
Kim is probably ahead in the propaganda war at home,claiming he went to the talks for peace and the Americans refused to negotiate.
Kim has to get his timing right, he needs to get concessions from the Americans before Trump gets the boot in 18 months, as the next President will likely shut the door in his face.
American governments like to have a bogey man somewhere, It justifies their military spending and highlights to the world that they are the guardians of freedom and democracy. NK is an easy target, countries like Iran less so.
There's lots Trump can do. If he sends the F15s in, he will need the support of South Korea which they may not give as NK has an awful lot of conventional artillery which could shell Seoul as retaliation
Kim is probably ahead in the propaganda war at home,claiming he went to the talks for peace and the Americans refused to negotiate.
Kim has to get his timing right, he needs to get concessions from the Americans before Trump gets the boot in 18 months, as the next President will likely shut the door in his face.
American governments like to have a bogey man somewhere, It justifies their military spending and highlights to the world that they are the guardians of freedom and democracy. NK is an easy target, countries like Iran less so.
How big an earth tremor from a nuke test?
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1103729125800...
2.1-MAGNITUDE EARTH TREMOR DETECTED IN NKOREA: KOREA TIMES
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1103729125800...
2.1-MAGNITUDE EARTH TREMOR DETECTED IN NKOREA: KOREA TIMES
JPJPJP said:
How big an earth tremor from a nuke test?
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1103729125800...
2.1-MAGNITUDE EARTH TREMOR DETECTED IN NKOREA: KOREA TIMES
Usually rather bigger than that. 4-6, perhaps more depending upon yield.https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1103729125800...
2.1-MAGNITUDE EARTH TREMOR DETECTED IN NKOREA: KOREA TIMES
After a hard fought campaign I'm sure we'd all like to send our congratulations to KJU on his successful election win.
http://news.sky.com/story/kim-jong-un-re-elected-a...
http://news.sky.com/story/kim-jong-un-re-elected-a...
Cobnapint said:
After a hard fought campaign I'm sure we'd all like to send our congratulations to KJU on his successful election win.
http://news.sky.com/story/kim-jong-un-re-elected-a...
A totally unexpected 100% voter approval for Kim.http://news.sky.com/story/kim-jong-un-re-elected-a...
No wait.....99.9%. Ok who didn't vote for the leader?
Cobnapint said:
After a hard fought campaign I'm sure we'd all like to send our congratulations to KJU on his successful election win.
http://news.sky.com/story/kim-jong-un-re-elected-a...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u5w0HogzUAhttp://news.sky.com/story/kim-jong-un-re-elected-a...
The one on the right looks like he's asleep. Big Mistake.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/world/nort...
FourWheelDrift said:
Cobnapint said:
After a hard fought campaign I'm sure we'd all like to send our congratulations to KJU on his successful election win.
http://news.sky.com/story/kim-jong-un-re-elected-a...
A totally unexpected 100% voter approval for Kim.http://news.sky.com/story/kim-jong-un-re-elected-a...
No wait.....99.9%. Ok who didn't vote for the leader?
BlackLabel said:
He's fired it specially for his best buddy the dotard, to distract from the Mueller report. 
BlackLabel said:
I initial read that article as a TESTICAL WEAPON, now that would hurt.Oh dear, someone's getting banished or fed to the pigs soon 
Either the train driver or the guy with the measuring tape.
Kim Jong Un is on his travels again - in the third video on the page the train travels a metre or so beyond where the red carpet has been set, and has to back up, while the flunkies look on all worried.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6953935/K...
Good flunky action in all the videos mind you, and some nice russian secret service agents skulking in the background.
All those flunkies that are already on the Vladivostok platform, does a whole separate train arrive the day before with them on?
Either the train driver or the guy with the measuring tape.
Kim Jong Un is on his travels again - in the third video on the page the train travels a metre or so beyond where the red carpet has been set, and has to back up, while the flunkies look on all worried.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6953935/K...
Good flunky action in all the videos mind you, and some nice russian secret service agents skulking in the background.
All those flunkies that are already on the Vladivostok platform, does a whole separate train arrive the day before with them on?
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