Nigella Lawson attacked by husband

Nigella Lawson attacked by husband

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Mojooo

12,743 posts

181 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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JonRB said:
Because in this context a "confession" under oath to a crime for which you are not under trial is apparently not a confession; legally it is apparently merely a self accusation. The CPS would then need to prove that accusation in a separate trial.

Note: IANAL and I may be wrong here. But that's my understanding.
It is still a confession in the normal sense of the word - it could be used in evidence against her if she was being prosecuted - but obviously she has not been convicted of a crime.

cmsapms

707 posts

245 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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10 Pence Short said:
The US is entitled to operate whatever rules it chooses when deciding who it allows in.
But, a bit of consistency would be nice.

unrepentant

21,272 posts

257 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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FredClogs said:
carinaman said:
As much as I hate Nigella and quite frankly couldn't give two sts about her it's a bit off of the mail to use that photo as the splash, I mean she almost looks her age!
She looks like her Dad yikes

I love the way the Mail finds it necessary to include a picture of Heathrow in case their brain dead readers struggle to grasp the concept of an airport. laugh

NPI

1,310 posts

125 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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kev1974 said:
Apparently she was let in to the US without issue in January.

I suspect someone has made some calls in order to make her life as awkward as possible ...
I know it's the Mail and they're just guessing, but it suggests she was travelling using the ESTA Visa Waiver scheme, which she shouldn't do if she's working over there.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

172 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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cmsapms said:
10 Pence Short said:
The US is entitled to operate whatever rules it chooses when deciding who it allows in.
But, a bit of consistency would be nice.
Americans, consistent.?
scratchchin

lost in espace

6,164 posts

208 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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NPI said:
I know it's the Mail and they're just guessing, but it suggests she was travelling using the ESTA Visa Waiver scheme, which she shouldn't do if she's working over there.
She was going on holiday, but you would of thought she had a visa anyway as she had been working over there.

I have a keen interest in this story as I recently completed an ESTA application erroniously and clicked yes to drugs use. Sorting it has been a nightmare, it would seem the border police are confused about their own procedures.

NPI

1,310 posts

125 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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lost in espace said:
I have a keen interest in this story as I recently completed an ESTA application erroniously and clicked yes to drugs use. Sorting it has been a nightmare, it would seem the border police are confused about their own procedures.
I did 7 of them recently for our forthcoming trip and I was a nervous wreck by the time I'd finished!

Ayahuasca

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27,427 posts

280 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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kev1974 said:
I suspect someone has made some calls in order to make her life as awkward as possible ...
yes

Mermaid

21,492 posts

172 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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Ayahuasca said:
kev1974 said:
I suspect someone has made some calls in order to make her life as awkward as possible ...
yes
Martha Stewart? wink

Silent1

19,761 posts

236 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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Mermaid said:
Ayahuasca said:
kev1974 said:
I suspect someone has made some calls in order to make her life as awkward as possible ...
yes
Martha Stewart? wink
no, Paula Deen yes

Starfighter

4,930 posts

179 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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cmsapms said:
10 Pence Short said:
The US is entitled to operate whatever rules it chooses when deciding who it allows in.
But, a bit of consistency would be nice.
Interesting that the ESTA application process just asks about arrest and conviction in relation to drugs, nothing about use. As far as I recall, Nigella has neither been arrested or conviceted of drugs offences here or anywhere else.

ESTA said:
B) Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controlled substance...
If they are looking to change the question or interpret violation to use of drugs then that would open a hell of a can of worms for visitors to Colorado or Washington State wher it si legal under state law but illegal under federal law to have or use weed.

unrepentant

21,272 posts

257 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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Starfighter said:
If they are looking to change the question or interpret violation to use of drugs then that would open a hell of a can of worms for visitors to Colorado or Washington State wher it si legal under state law but illegal under federal law to have or use weed.
Federal law will change soon. Everybody here seems to smoke. I feel a bit left out at parties sometimes when we seem to be the only not toking...

The US embassy has said that Nigella can apply for a Visa and implied that it's issuance would be routine. It may be that she was refused entry because she's been abusing the waiver system. They don't like you to use it for nipping in and out frequently and she's also been working here on an ABC programme without a work Visa. It may be that she was refused entry for that rather than the drug confession.

carinaman

21,325 posts

173 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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unrepentant said:
They don't like you to use it for nipping in and out frequently and she's also been working here on an ABC programme without a work Visa. It may be that she was refused entry for that rather than the drug confession.
That reminds me of the scene in the Ginger Baker film where someone he employed for his Polo team/operation was having life made difficult by someone playing technicalities on some immigration issue.

Starfighter

4,930 posts

179 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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Now that fits better. My boss is an EU national and travels to the US almost monthly. It has been suggested that he may find it quicker to get a visa.

Foppo

2,344 posts

125 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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She looks a nice lady Nigella Lawson a bit naïve good luck to her.

Ayahuasca

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27,427 posts

280 months

Thursday 3rd April 2014
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carinaman said:
unrepentant said:
They don't like you to use it for nipping in and out frequently and she's also been working here on an ABC programme without a work Visa. It may be that she was refused entry for that rather than the drug confession.
That reminds me of the scene in the Ginger Baker film where someone he employed for his Polo team/operation was having life made difficult by someone playing technicalities on some immigration issue.
I believe they DO like it when you nip in and out. Proves you are unlikely to stay, which is what they are concerned about.

I nip in and out using my ESTA all the time for work meetings and they are fine about it.

unrepentant

21,272 posts

257 months

Friday 4th April 2014
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Ayahuasca said:
carinaman said:
unrepentant said:
They don't like you to use it for nipping in and out frequently and she's also been working here on an ABC programme without a work Visa. It may be that she was refused entry for that rather than the drug confession.
That reminds me of the scene in the Ginger Baker film where someone he employed for his Polo team/operation was having life made difficult by someone playing technicalities on some immigration issue.
I believe they DO like it when you nip in and out. Proves you are unlikely to stay, which is what they are concerned about.

I nip in and out using my ESTA all the time for work meetings and they are fine about it.
I know from personal experience that they do not. The Visa Waiver scheme is designed for occasional visits, not for regular travel. If you "nip in and out" regularly you should get a visa. Also, if you don't have a visa and they decide to turn you away you have already waived your rights to a review of the immigration officers decision.

gpo746

3,397 posts

131 months

Friday 4th April 2014
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Ayahuasca said:
carinaman said:
unrepentant said:
They don't like you to use it for nipping in and out frequently and she's also been working here on an ABC programme without a work Visa. It may be that she was refused entry for that rather than the drug confession.
That reminds me of the scene in the Ginger Baker film where someone he employed for his Polo team/operation was having life made difficult by someone playing technicalities on some immigration issue.
I believe they DO like it when you nip in and out. Proves you are unlikely to stay, which is what they are concerned about.

I nip in and out using my ESTA all the time for work meetings and they are fine about it.
I wouldn't nip in and out of Nigella. In fact I wouldn't enter her anyway

Vaud

50,597 posts

156 months

Friday 4th April 2014
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unrepentant said:
I know from personal experience that they do not. The Visa Waiver scheme is designed for occasional visits, not for regular travel. If you "nip in and out" regularly you should get a visa. Also, if you don't have a visa and they decide to turn you away you have already waived your rights to a review of the immigration officers decision.
Correct. Go too frequently and they may think you are working without a visa. Allowed entry in the end, but a little bit painful.

Note: Boston Logan are not friendly. San Francisco are. Both are following the same process.