Beta on the US Government shutting down? I think yes.

Beta on the US Government shutting down? I think yes.

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Fittster

20,120 posts

214 months

Monday 30th September 2013
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Why are the Republicans so keen to repeal the health care bill?

Obama campaigned heavily on the issue, the people voted and put him in power, where he enacted the bill.

Now the republicans might not like it but the majority of electorate seemed to have endorsed it so it seems rather anti-democratic to try and block it.

cossey

149 posts

190 months

Monday 30th September 2013
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Fittster said:
Why are the Republicans so keen to repeal the health care bill?

Obama campaigned heavily on the issue, the people voted and put him in power, where he enacted the bill.

Now the republicans might not like it but the majority of electorate seemed to have endorsed it so it seems rather anti-democratic to try and block it.
The majority of the electorate also voted in a Republican congress.

jeff m2

2,060 posts

152 months

Monday 30th September 2013
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airbrakes said:
So let me get this straight..... because they have run out of legitimate ways to block the Obamacare bill, the Republican party are now stamping their feet and deliberately blocking absolutely everything, sending the country into meltdown, until the Democrats agree to get rid of it for good?
Jesus tittyfking Christ, its like the Lib Dems on steroids!
Not quite.

It is about raising the debt ceiling.
i'm not going to pull up a graph, everyone knows the US debt has got a little out of hand.
Obama doesn't want a budget he just wants to keep spending.
Republicans want some control over the debt ceiling (the debt ceiling is the job of Congress not the President and they have a majority.) The price is his beloved Healthcare bill.

To address something in another post.
The US, according to CNN, not Fox smile is against the Healthcare bill in it's current form. The tilt to against is an 18% block who thought it did not go far enough !!!
Confusing eh.
That said the extra money that Obama wants has nothing to do with the healthcare fiasco, that is being funded by making it mandatory for people to buy insurance and by fines on those that do not and reductions in Medicare.

What is seldom discussed is that the healthcare industry had a massive input in the writing of the bill.
The result of which is a 39% increase YTD in my healthcare fund. I'm not complainingsmile
http://www3.troweprice.com/fb2/fbkweb/snapshot.do?...
Massive gains by the healthcare industry after we were told it would keep prices in check, the opposite has happened
This should shed some light on what has occured and why some people are crying foul.

Neither side of the house really gives a shxt about anything except their seat.
Oct 17 is payment day, let's hope not too many of them have a dentist appointment on the 16th



RDMcG

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19,192 posts

208 months

Monday 30th September 2013
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Well...here we go. Watch for the talking heads tomorrow...

Art0ir

9,402 posts

171 months

Monday 30th September 2013
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RDMcG said:
Well...here we go. Watch for the talking heads tomorrow...
I haven't been following this at all. Do you expect a last minute deal?

All pretty fascinating really.

toohuge

3,434 posts

217 months

Monday 30th September 2013
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Art0ir said:
RDMcG said:
Well...here we go. Watch for the talking heads tomorrow...
I haven't been following this at all. Do you expect a last minute deal?

All pretty fascinating really.
I'd hope we don't find a last minute deal. If the house can sort this problem in a matter of hours, how can voters have time to read this bill and understand it and furthermore, who can write a comprehensive proposal in a matter of hours to this scale?

Chris

toohuge

3,434 posts

217 months

Monday 30th September 2013
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Art0ir said:
RDMcG said:
Well...here we go. Watch for the talking heads tomorrow...
I haven't been following this at all. Do you expect a last minute deal?

All pretty fascinating really.
I'd hope we don't find a last minute deal. If the house can sort this problem in a matter of hours, how can voters have time to read this bill and understand it and furthermore, who can write a comprehensive proposal in a matter of hours to this scale?

Chris

dudleybloke

19,863 posts

187 months

Monday 30th September 2013
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how long till the yanks have had enough and invade the usa?

Art0ir

9,402 posts

171 months

Monday 30th September 2013
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toohuge said:
Art0ir said:
RDMcG said:
Well...here we go. Watch for the talking heads tomorrow...
I haven't been following this at all. Do you expect a last minute deal?

All pretty fascinating really.
I'd hope we don't find a last minute deal. If the house can sort this problem in a matter of hours, how can voters have time to read this bill and understand it and furthermore, who can write a comprehensive proposal in a matter of hours to this scale?

Chris
So in the event that it doesn't, federal workers are told not to turn up in the morning?

SmuttyYoda

12,230 posts

195 months

Monday 30th September 2013
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The OH is going to New York for a weeks holiday on Saturday...

Chances of it being ruined?

speedy_thrills

7,760 posts

244 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Interesting, who wins this on opinion polling?

greygoose

8,270 posts

196 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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speedy_thrills said:
Interesting, who wins this on opinion polling?
CNN poll said:
According to the poll, which was conducted Friday through Sunday, 46% say they would blame congressional Republicans for a government shutdown, with 36% saying the president would be more responsible and 13% pointing fingers at both the GOP in Congress and Obama.

speedy_thrills

7,760 posts

244 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Can Senators put forward a "motion of no confidence" and force a senate election or initiate a public referendum to resolve the deadlock?

Digga

40,359 posts

284 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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Trite.
hehe

skyrover

12,674 posts

205 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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how long has Belgian been functioning without a working government?

nelly1

5,630 posts

232 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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So, the US begins Shutdown...yikes

Well, Partial Shutdown...

Well, some National Parks, some museums and a Zoo.



Hardly the end of Society is it?

emicen

8,599 posts

219 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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nelly1 said:
So, the US begins Shutdown...yikes

Well, Partial Shutdown...

Well, some National Parks, some museums and a Zoo.



Hardly the end of Society is it?
It's a lot more extensive than just "National Parks, some museums and a Zoo"


Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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nelly1 said:
So, the US begins Shutdown...yikes

Well, Partial Shutdown...

Well, some National Parks, some museums and a Zoo.



Hardly the end of Society is it?
It is for the Americans! If they can't argue with a park ranger that god created Grand Canyon in 3 seconds then the Ruskies might as well take over!!!


Thank Thor that all the thousands of Nukes that the US owns are going to be looked after, can't have them getting ill... biggrin

P-Jay

10,579 posts

192 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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I bet the survivalists, anti-government protestors and other assorted fringe members of American society are having a field day. As I type this there will be a family in their bunker somewhere in the US loading their AR15's and counting cans of beans, I just hope they've taken a TV with them so they know when normality returns, probably later today.

I was surprised this happened previously in the mid 90's.

I think in the short-term the President will win a PR victory and slightly dent this budget deficit by saving a day or two salary on 700k Government workers.

Bahnstormer

934 posts

247 months

Tuesday 1st October 2013
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This lays it out quite well.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/programs-impacted-go...

Pretty shoddy !