EDL boss Tommy Robinson again proves his stupidity

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Lindun said:

What is the difference in the Freedom of Speech rights of each group? The only reason I ask is that I thought that was the basis for pretty much everything Tommy does. Or is it supposed to be different rules for each?

I’ve seen many demonstrations / protests etc in my time and more often than not there are demonstrators / protestors from each side present at the event. You only have to look at the Houses of Parliament to see that it’s been full of Brexit / Remain campaigners for ages.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

A counter protest is fine. There's one in another video with the American girl, some people who think TR is a fascist or racist and a Muslim guy. They're making their opinion known without being disruptive, hostile or violent.

That video I responded to shows an aggressive mob throwing bricks at a crowd of people.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Lindun said:

It’s easy. All videos linked are to Rebel Media, who are a non-partisan observer of UK politics. Honest, they are

And?

Everyone knows that is biased and it's open about it. I would suggest it's a good idea when watching such things to take this into account but this is also true when viewing other biased news from the other side of the media.

But only a fool would just totally dismiss any information purely because they don't like where it's coming from.

Ultimately if you really want to know what happened just watch all the un-edited footage available on YouTube not the little edited and selected images you see in the media. The video of the group on the way there saying things like "This is what you get Tommy" as they shout "Allah Akbar" and so on.

But if you don't want to and just be spoon fed information you like then continue to do so, just disregard any information that doesn't conform to your narrative I'm sure thing will work out great that way.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Monday 20th May 08:14

[rscott]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Lindun said:

It’s easy. All videos linked are to Rebel Media, who are a non-partisan observer of UK politics. Honest, they are

And?

Everyone knows that is non-partisan and it's open about it. I would suggest it's a good idea when watching such things to take this into account but this is also true when viewing other non-partisan news from the other side of the media.

But only a fool would just totally dismiss any information purely because they don't like where it's coming from.

Ultimately if you really want to know what happened just watch all the un-edited footage available on YouTube not the little edited and selected images you see in the media. The video of the group on the way there saying things like "This is what you get Tommy" as they shout "Allah Akbar" and so on.

But if you don't want to and just be spoon fed information you like then continue to do so, just disregard any information that doesn't conform to your narrative I'm sure thing will work out great that way.

I've not seen anyone condoning the behaviour of the MDL - if anything they've been condemned.

But they weren't the only groups who travelled from out of the area to cause trouble - there are several reports of Robinson supporter groups coming in from other towns, spoiling for fights.


As for Allah Akbar chants - I'd hazard a guess they're shouted to wind up some of the Robinson supporting thugs ...

[1602Mark]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

1602Mark said:

They escorted them to the event?

As for masked protesters, take a minute to look at those surrounding TR and you'll see there are plenty of masked idiots there also.

So are you presuming that Robinson's supporters started the violence and the counter protesters were defending themselves?

Sorry but how do you make the leap from my asking for confirmation that the Police escorted the counter demonstrators to the event to my presuming TR supporters started any violence and were merely defending themselves?

This is part of the bigger problem. The minute anyone asks for proof or clarity, or tries to have more in depth discussion, it automatically descends into either 'because racist' or 'because paedo / terrorist sympathiser'. There's nothing in between and using Rebel Media videos to try and persuade people of TR's viewpoint is just as questionable as relying on people who 'just know what happened'.

In the space of just a few minutes the reporter goes from ''I saw someone pick up a brick'' to ''bricks were being thrown at women and children''. A few minutes later she tells up a child has been stabbed. There's no proof though. No fact checking when someone just calls out to her and makes a claim about a stabbing. She just repeats it as if it's fact. Alex Jones was another supposed journalist who spouts half truths and blatant lies. That said, whilst I disagree with the likes of Jones, Robinson etc, I don't agree with their being removed from platforms like YouTube and Twitter. If anything that plays into their victim narrative, let alone looking like censorship of free speech. Although simply calling yourself a journalist doesn't make you one.

[anonymous-user]

Not-The-Messiah said:

And?

Everyone knows that is non-partisan and it's open about it. I would suggest it's a good idea when watching such things to take this into account but this is also true when viewing other non-partisan news from the other side of the media.

But only a fool would just totally dismiss any information purely because they don't like where it's coming from.

Ultimately if you really want to know what happened just watch all the un-edited footage available on YouTube not the little edited and selected images you see in the media. The video of the group on the way there saying things like "This is what you get Tommy" as they shout "Allah Akbar" and so on.

But if you don't want to and just be spoon fed information you like then continue to do so, just disregard any information that doesn't conform to your narrative I'm sure thing will work out great that way.

You seem to not understand what non-partisan actually means NTM.

[berlintaxi]

Brooking10 said:

Noodle1982 said:

They weren't men in masks, they were men in burkas.

The MDL were promoting equality between the sexes.

I guess in your head it sounds funny right Noodle ?

There is certainly plenty of space for it to rattle around in.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Well if you go back to my earlier post in response to the video I was fact checking and looking for other sources...

[Noodle1982]

Oh st, Antifa have now joined the soap dodging protestors!

https://youtu.be/cHO3HOIiV_M

[Not-The-Messiah]

Brooking10 said:

You seem to not understand what non-partisan actually means NTM.

You are quite correct, the post I quoted threw me, I got my non-partisan and partisan mix up there.

[Alpinestars]

Noodle1982 said:

Oh st, Antifa have now joined the soap dodging protestors!

https://youtu.be/cHO3HOIiV_M

Is that fake? Didn’t see Tommy moaning about police presence in that video.

[Lindun]

Not-The-Messiah said:

And?

Everyone knows that is biased and it's open about it. I would suggest it's a good idea when watching such things to take this into account but this is also true when viewing other biased news from the other side of the media.

But only a fool would just totally dismiss any information purely because they don't like where it's coming from.

Ultimately if you really want to know what happened just watch all the un-edited footage available on YouTube not the little edited and selected images you see in the media. The video of the group on the way there saying things like "This is what you get Tommy" as they shout "Allah Akbar" and so on.

But if you don't want to and just be spoon fed information you like then continue to do so, just disregard any information that doesn't conform to your narrative I'm sure thing will work out great that way.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Monday 20th May 08:14

A video produced by either side will not show the full picture and neither can be relied upon, nor can watching both, as there’s still the real story which will sit somewhere in between. You have a bee in your bonnet about the media outlets that don’t have a foot in either camp and call them biased. I’d suggest that they’re more likely to be closer to the truth, but you can’t handle the through as it doesn’t sit with your preferred view on this.

[Lindun]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

A counter protest is fine. There's one in another video with the American girl, some people who think TR is a fascist or racist and a Muslim guy. They're making their opinion known without being disruptive, hostile or violent.

That video I responded to shows an aggressive mob throwing bricks at a crowd of people.

Yep, a bunch of dicks throwing bricks. I’m not defending them. I’m not sure I can make that any clearer.

Two small groups of dicks, acting like dicks when in close proximity. One taunts the other, the other reacts violently. It’s been that way forever, it could be the EDL taunting Antifa, or vice versa, or just Tommy and his mates winding up the local “s” or vice versa. Neither is covering themselves in glory and both are a small number of people.

Just as I don’t see Tommy / the EDL or any of the other racist groups as representative of all Christians, nor do I see this MDL as representative of all Muslims.

[rscott]

James Goddard doing his bit for community relations with the locals.

https://twitter.com/paul_0l/status/113012624494157...

Starts off calling Liverpool a sthole in the first video, then ends up standing behind the police in the second video challenging the other protestors to a one-on-one fight.

Police expresses his opinion with " please wait for other officers, I don't want to get hurt protecting you"

[anonymous-user]

berlintaxi said:

Brooking10 said:

Noodle1982 said:

They weren't men in masks, they were men in burkas.

The MDL were promoting equality between the sexes.

I guess in your head it sounds funny right Noodle ?

There is certainly plenty of space for it to rattle around in.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Lindun said:

Yep, a bunch of dicks throwing bricks. I’m not defending them. I’m not sure I can make that any clearer.

Two small groups of dicks, acting like dicks when in close proximity. One taunts the other, the other reacts violently. It’s been that way forever, it could be the EDL taunting Antifa, or vice versa, or just Tommy and his mates winding up the local “s” or vice versa. Neither is covering themselves in glory and both are a small number of people.

Just as I don’t see Tommy / the EDL or any of the other racist groups as representative of all Christians, nor do I see this MDL as representative of all Muslims.

I didn't say either side was representative of anyone but themselves. I said it was quite damning. I will add for clarity it seems damning of the MDL and the police handling of it. And further add that I recognise that this is how it is meant to appear from the Rebel Media video, so would be interested to hear any counter to that.

[Lindun]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I didn't say either side was representative of anyone but themselves. I said it was quite damning. I will add for clarity it seems damning of the MDL and the police handling of it. And further add that I recognise that this is how it is meant to appear from the Rebel Media video, so would be interested to hear any counter to that.

There is no compulsion for the other side to make. Video to support their perspective. They aren’t trying to get elected or push a particular view. They’re probably just a bunch of docks spoiling for a fight, much like Tommy and his crew used to / still do.

As a result you won’t get a video from them, but you will get a more rounded version (note it may have a slant one way or the other but not a total bias) from more mainstream media. However, you will dismiss that and tell people to open their minds or some other soundbite.

[otolith]

Lindun said:

However, you will dismiss that and tell people to open their minds or some other soundbite.

If someone doesn't see the likes of Yaxley-Lennon for what they are, their mind has already been opened enough for their brain to fall out.

The depressing thing is that this has all been done before, and people still fall for it. I'm never sure whether they are ignorant of history, or thick, or wicked.

[southendpier]

rscott said:

......but not a surprising reaction to the violent group of supporters Tommy seems to attract.

Y'see whether you'd VOTE for him or not many people, including me, would view chucking bricks at persons attending a peaceful political rally as quite "a surprising reaction" in the UK.

You don't.

Have you heard of victim blaming?

Do you think these TR supporters will have got the message and decide not to vote for him?

[url]

[rscott]

Here's Danny Tommo (failed kidnapper) and part of Robinson's inner circle throwing a bottle while police try and control him..

https://twitter.com/lolasrocks/status/113021153911...

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Lindun said:

There is no compulsion for the other side to make. Video to support their perspective. They aren’t trying to get elected or push a particular view. They’re probably just a bunch of docks spoiling for a fight, much like Tommy and his crew used to / still do.

As a result you won’t get a video from them, but you will get a more rounded version (note it may have a slant one way or the other but not a total bias) from more mainstream media. However, you will dismiss that and tell people to open their minds or some other soundbite.

Will I? You seem very sure of what I think based on the little I have said.