Yet another... recycling plant fire

[jmorgan]

spaximus said:

dro said:

saaby93 said:

New rules
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42271132
suspend their licence while they rebuild the place
Should be effective

Why dont we just accept that the stuff needs burning?

Easy for you to say, trying telling that to someone who lives directly downwind of one who has nasal cancer and has never smoked a cigarette ever, and young children with severe asthma, these people find it hard to accept they have no choice to breathe in smoke foisted upon them day after day after day.

The siting of these toxic burners is often colossally unfair to those who live nearby. As is so often the case profit matters more than peoples health.

The impact of their location needs to be evaluated much more intensively than is currently the case.

I may be missing something here, but these fires are not at incinerator sites, they appear to be at sites where they recycle product and mysteriously when full they catch fire.

They are building a new huge incinerator at the side of the M5 near Gloucester to deal with waste and generate electric, seems a good idea to me if all safety and environmental controls are in place. The alternative is landfill which is equally frowned upon by many

There is a nugget in the news report that needs mentioning (it was on the aired version). The government in Cardiff have set some very high levels of recycling and it has an effect, the system vcannot cope so it is "stored". Not only that, to meet some of this demand, our rates are through the roof to pay for recycling lorries to dump it all on the street. Someone is making a lot money off it.

One comment on some news channel was the heat built up in wood waste then ignited, that pile was that big and dense.

Not sure how you deal with it here but every time a politico from that gas and air shop down the bay in Cardiff spout namby pamby crap they way they are, it is not going to get better.

[PugwasHDJ80]

dro said:

saaby93 said:

New rules
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-42271132
suspend their licence while they rebuild the place
Should be effective

Why dont we just accept that the stuff needs burning?

Easy for you to say, trying telling that to someone who lives directly downwind of one who has nasal cancer and has never smoked a cigarette ever, and young children with severe asthma, these people find it hard to accept they have no choice to breathe in smoke foisted upon them day after day after day.

The siting of these toxic burners is often colossally unfair to those who live nearby. As is so often the case profit matters more than peoples health.

The impact of their location needs to be evaluated much more intensively than is currently the case.

Agreed that if these things are oxic then they need to be shut down

The vast majority of them are cleaner than having cars around.

In germany town planning is developed around the waste to energy plants- they have built hundreds of them and nobody suffers from health problems because of them

[saaby93]

dro said:

Easy for you to say, trying telling that to someone who lives directly downwind of one who has nasal cancer and has never smoked a cigarette ever, and young children with severe asthma, these people find it hard to accept they have no choice to breathe in smoke foisted upon them day after day after day.

The siting of these toxic burners is often colossally unfair to those who live nearby. As is so often the case profit matters more than peoples health.

The impact of their location needs to be evaluated much more intensively than is currently the case.

Surely if its that toxic it shouldnt be in operation?
But better to burn the stuff in a controlled way than have this regular cycle of accidental recycling plant fires that the authorities deem best to let them burn themselves out

[dromong]

All smoke is toxic to the human lung to a greater or lesser degree, obviously some much worse than others, PCB's and Dioxin's being particularly nasty.

The trouble is with many accidental fires and Biomass plants too, we don't actually know for certain what is going into the air and ultimately our lungs. Best plan of action is to avoid breathing in smoke of any kind if you can avoid it, people generally are not aware that it's the long term accumulative effects that do the damage and that's especially the case with diesel particulate matter.

We didn't evolve for millions of years to breathe this stuff, lungs will always be happier being smoke free but finding clean air these days can be a real challenge.

[saaby93]

It's been quiet lately
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wale...

[saaby93]

not even making the headlines now
http://www.cambstimes.co.uk/news/major-fire-breaks...

[S11Steve]

This one is in Deeside, Chester.

https://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-ch...


It's not even 2 months since it last went up.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/sandycroft-deesid...

[Fartomatic5000]

There were on average more than 300 fires per year at waste and recycling plants in the UK between 2001 and 2013



A few weeks ago...

Fire crews at Pepper Hill recycling centre in Southfleet
21 April 2018
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/dartford/news/fire-eru...


... and another site today!

Large fire breaks out in recycling plant Ashford
10 May 2018
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/large-fir...

[Jim the Sunderer]

I just saw this one up north east on the way home, apologies for the portrait photograph, I'm not the absolute savage that took it.



https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...

[MartG]

Jim the Sunderer said:

I just saw this one up north east on the way home, apologies for the portrait photograph, I'm not the absolute savage that took it.



https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...

I used to frequent a nice little pub just over the road from that site - hope it's OK

[LivingTheDream]

a bump as its looks like we have one in Hitchin today.

http://www.thecomet.net/news/hitchin-electrical-go...

and some drone footage here

http://www.bobfm.co.uk/news/local-news/thick-plume...


hope it doesn't bugger up the trains home!! its right next to the line.

[cahami]

And another one, 100 firefighters

http://www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/firef...

[4x4Tyke]

Are there no MSM journalists on PH, this trend really needs to be picked up.

[saaby93]

4x4Tyke said:

Are there no MSM journalists on PH, this trend really needs to be picked up.

Is it a problem?
All it does is get rid of the junk ( oops recyclables) that no-one wants
The Fire Brigade never seem too bothered about trying to put it out. Just wait until it burns itself out without affecting neighbouring buildings
Job Done

[V8mate]

The trend has been reported widely in national newspapers.

[S11Steve]

Universal Recycling in Rotherham is well ablaze at the moment, I'm 20 miles away but can see the smoke from here.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/firefighters-tackli...

It's just over a year since it last went up, disposing of 500 tonnes of plastic - https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/view,50...

[4x4Tyke]

Scrapyards in Hull

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yor...

[Fartomatic5000]

Hard to see how recycling is good for the environment of those living close to the ones that go up in smoke.


"After more than two days, fire crews have finally left the site of a recycling plant fire.

Firefighters were called out to Smarden Business Estate on Sunday morning as 1,000 tonnes of rubbish including mattresses, two large buildings and around five shipping containers caught fire."

[MartG]

Fartomatic5000 said:

Hard to see how recycling is good for the environment of those living close to the ones that go up in smoke.


"After more than two days, fire crews have finally left the site of a recycling plant fire.

Firefighters were called out to Smarden Business Estate on Sunday morning as 1,000 tonnes of rubbish including mattresses, two large buildings and around five shipping containers caught fire."

I've heard from someone who works in one of the nearby buildings that they aren't allowed back on site until the building has been professionally cleaned to remove any residue from the fire - apparently there was asbestos dust found around the fire

[Sticks.]

Fartomatic5000 said:

Hard to see how recycling is good for the environment of those living close to the ones that go up in smoke.

I'm not sure much recycling was going on. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-41400137

"A man who illegally stockpiled a "mountain" of mattresses has been fined £15,000 for failing to clear it."