Attend Islam class or be branded racist
Discussion
standards said:
fblm said:
You do realise your post also also follows Smudgers. Irony huh?
Perhaps if kids spent a little more time on the 3R's and a little less on this cultural crap you wouldn't be plummeting down every international education league table.
Humans without 'cultural crap'. That'd be robots then. Perhaps if kids spent a little more time on the 3R's and a little less on this cultural crap you wouldn't be plummeting down every international education league table.
chris watton said:
...And for that, the most basic of life skills, you need faith and/or religion?
No, but they can provide other perspectives for someone to consider. You can look at the philosophy of the world's religions without participating or having faith. Throwing away philosophical ideas because they are associated with a religion seems foolish. Throwing them away because they are rubbish is a much better reason.
ker.standards said:
Great response to a quite ridiculously small minded post. Thank you
Small minded because my viewpoint of religion and yours diverges sharply?Great retort, a top trump, congrats, maybe youll live up to your poster name one day.
Explain why is your opinion of religion more valid than mine.
You think its fine that kids should be taught nonsense beliefs by faiths that find it a-ok to mutilate womens genitals, or stone rape victims to death, or force marriage onto young girls, or make them wear rent a tents to bizarrely "empower"?? them, or issue death threats to homosexuals, where I find those "beliefs" abhorrent, not to mention faiths that through deliberate misinformation condemn millions to die of HIV and aids as condoms "arent allowed in our club" to name a few.
If youre so happy with kids being brainwashed into believing sky fairy claptrap then youll have no issue with santa claus and the tooth fairy not to mention the pink elephants orbiting pluto or the whackjobs who believe in planet X or any other cultist belief systems.
In my opinion religions a barrier to progress, it always has been because far from allowing you to think freely it imposes its rigid framework upon its victims and doesnt encourage free thought, the answers are already made for you, all you have to do is "believe".
If you need any better demonstration of why religions a load, think about this- walk down any street in britain and tell people as you go that youre in personal contact with god, mumble away to him on your shoulder, stop and tell others in the street about this great convo youre having and how if you crack your nut off the wall enough times that he'll give you stuff, see how long before youre carted off to an institution and rightly so.
But then as long as they belong to a club, a faith and do it on prescribed days, its acceptable.
So what have we learned from this religious outing? That its best we keep our kids away from such types.
Any of the points on your morality compass sticking you in a tender spot yet?
Religion, keep it out of childrens minds.
Nah not totally,
1 lesson 1 hour covering the major ones. Then back to mor important things
This religion belive an illiterate cave dweller who raped and murdered across the land and slept with 9 year old girls is the most perfect human being ever. The book they belive is infallible cannot be questioned calls for murder of unbelievers.
Followers are very touchy, prone to violence and are misogynistic. Islamic schools bully non believers make girls sit at the back and make teachers cover their heads while embezzling thousands of tax payers money. Belivers think they are better than you and only they will go to heaven. In Muslim countries non Muslims are persecuted routinely.
This religion belive god raped a woman in order to give birth to himself so he could turn into a zombie. The church are heavily involved in covering up paedo priests and helped nazis escape during ww2. A lot seem to be hypocrites and leaders justify wars on their gods behalf. The church is incredibly wealthy yet always begging for money
That sort of thing.
1 lesson 1 hour covering the major ones. Then back to mor important things
This religion belive an illiterate cave dweller who raped and murdered across the land and slept with 9 year old girls is the most perfect human being ever. The book they belive is infallible cannot be questioned calls for murder of unbelievers.
Followers are very touchy, prone to violence and are misogynistic. Islamic schools bully non believers make girls sit at the back and make teachers cover their heads while embezzling thousands of tax payers money. Belivers think they are better than you and only they will go to heaven. In Muslim countries non Muslims are persecuted routinely.
This religion belive god raped a woman in order to give birth to himself so he could turn into a zombie. The church are heavily involved in covering up paedo priests and helped nazis escape during ww2. A lot seem to be hypocrites and leaders justify wars on their gods behalf. The church is incredibly wealthy yet always begging for money
That sort of thing.
Pesty said:
Nah not totally,
1 lesson 1 hour covering the major ones. Then back to mor important things
This religion belive an illiterate cave dweller who raped and murdered across the land and slept with 9 year old girls is the most perfect human being ever. The book they belive is infallible cannot be questioned calls for murder of unbelievers.
Followers are very touchy, prone to violence and are misogynistic. Islamic schools bully non believers make girls sit at the back and make teachers cover their heads while embezzling thousands of tax payers money. Belivers think they are better than you and only they will go to heaven. In Muslim countries non Muslims are persecuted routinely.
This religion belive god raped a woman in order to give birth to himself so he could turn into a zombie. The church are heavily involved in covering up paedo priests and helped nazis escape during ww2. A lot seem to be hypocrites and leaders justify wars on their gods behalf. The church is incredibly wealthy yet always begging for money
That sort of thing.
Ahh yeah missed those,nothing like a bit of peace and tolerance.1 lesson 1 hour covering the major ones. Then back to mor important things
This religion belive an illiterate cave dweller who raped and murdered across the land and slept with 9 year old girls is the most perfect human being ever. The book they belive is infallible cannot be questioned calls for murder of unbelievers.
Followers are very touchy, prone to violence and are misogynistic. Islamic schools bully non believers make girls sit at the back and make teachers cover their heads while embezzling thousands of tax payers money. Belivers think they are better than you and only they will go to heaven. In Muslim countries non Muslims are persecuted routinely.
This religion belive god raped a woman in order to give birth to himself so he could turn into a zombie. The church are heavily involved in covering up paedo priests and helped nazis escape during ww2. A lot seem to be hypocrites and leaders justify wars on their gods behalf. The church is incredibly wealthy yet always begging for money
That sort of thing.
Funny thing about gods is theyre so big and powerful yet they rely entirely on followers to do all their dirty work, murder by proxy while they sit back and masturbate over all the death and destruction, love is a funny old thing.
Funny isn't it.
Being serious for a second I belive they should be taught about religion but obviously not completely rose tinted idyllic versions that a pr company would come up with.
If you are going to do it talk about the bad parts as well. By all means teach the good bits too.
As to the original post. A field trip just to a Muslim workshop is wrong unless you go to all the others too. So just talk about it in class.
We went to a windmill when I was that age
I loved it. Science museum, wildlife park, farm or whatever.
Being serious for a second I belive they should be taught about religion but obviously not completely rose tinted idyllic versions that a pr company would come up with.
If you are going to do it talk about the bad parts as well. By all means teach the good bits too.
As to the original post. A field trip just to a Muslim workshop is wrong unless you go to all the others too. So just talk about it in class.
We went to a windmill when I was that age
I loved it. Science museum, wildlife park, farm or whatever.Pesty said:
Funny isn't it.
Being serious for a second I belive they should be taught about religion but obviously not completely rose tinted idyllic versions that a pr company would come up with.
If you are going to do it talk about the bad parts as well. By all means teach the good bits too.
As to the original post. A field trip just to a Muslim workshop is wrong unless you go to all the others too. So just talk about it in class.
We went to a windmill when I was that age I loved it. Science museum, wildlife park, farm or whatever.
The only trip we went on was Alton Bloody Towers....wasnt any overtly religious or spiritual aspects to it that I remember apart from the near death experience on the alpine slide. Being serious for a second I belive they should be taught about religion but obviously not completely rose tinted idyllic versions that a pr company would come up with.
If you are going to do it talk about the bad parts as well. By all means teach the good bits too.
As to the original post. A field trip just to a Muslim workshop is wrong unless you go to all the others too. So just talk about it in class.
We went to a windmill when I was that age
I loved it. Science museum, wildlife park, farm or whatever.
fizz47 said:
Silver Mudger has it bang on correct ....
The way the letter was worded was totally idotic - however educating children about all walks of life is important..whether it be Islam or whether it be about being a Jedi (has it been classified as a religion yet?) Its not like they were marching the children into a mosque asking them to dress up in a niqab.
How can you learn about people without learning about their beliefs and religion? The beliefs of a person will then determine how a person will behave. If people cant grasp that basic fact then things are really going down the pan...
I have friends from all walks of life and its fascinating how they all have their own belief system and while I may not follow or believe what they do, I try to take some sort of interest as it does allow me to interact with them without coming across as an ignorant tw@at.
It also means If i'm out with a jewish friend I'm not going to be a kn0b and go and take him to a pig roast, am I? How would I know not to take him to such a place?... through educating myself about his religion.
I am intrigued as to what people percieve as 'English' culture and how that should be taught?
I for one would want my children to learn as much as possible about other cultures, religions and beliefs. Not only will a person be able to make much more informed decsions, they will also be able to make their own minds up in a balanced way. If antyhing I would want my children to avoid those who claim we should solely be learning about 'English' culture.
The really ironic thing is that when I travel to other countries ( which is twice a month for work), its quite a common for people I come across to think that the English culture is all about binge drinking and getting into fights...they also seem surprised yet appreciate I take the time to learn the basics of their culture (which includes religion). I am pretty sure this has helped both my professional and personal progression in life.
While I agree with most of your post I would suggest that the part I've put in bold displays a lack of education regarding that particular religion, unless that education was gained from reading the less accurate and more sensationalist print media. If you had a Jewish friend there would be no need to avoid pig roasts, similarly if you had a Muslim friend there is no need to avoid pubs. There is no problem with them attending so long as they don't partake. I have many Muslim colleagues and we all go to the pub on a Friday afternoon after work, they just don't drink alcohol. Which is handy as our Russian colleagues sink more in one sitting than I do in a year The way the letter was worded was totally idotic - however educating children about all walks of life is important..whether it be Islam or whether it be about being a Jedi (has it been classified as a religion yet?) Its not like they were marching the children into a mosque asking them to dress up in a niqab.
How can you learn about people without learning about their beliefs and religion? The beliefs of a person will then determine how a person will behave. If people cant grasp that basic fact then things are really going down the pan...
I have friends from all walks of life and its fascinating how they all have their own belief system and while I may not follow or believe what they do, I try to take some sort of interest as it does allow me to interact with them without coming across as an ignorant tw@at.
It also means If i'm out with a jewish friend I'm not going to be a kn0b and go and take him to a pig roast, am I? How would I know not to take him to such a place?... through educating myself about his religion.
I am intrigued as to what people percieve as 'English' culture and how that should be taught?
I for one would want my children to learn as much as possible about other cultures, religions and beliefs. Not only will a person be able to make much more informed decsions, they will also be able to make their own minds up in a balanced way. If antyhing I would want my children to avoid those who claim we should solely be learning about 'English' culture.
The really ironic thing is that when I travel to other countries ( which is twice a month for work), its quite a common for people I come across to think that the English culture is all about binge drinking and getting into fights...they also seem surprised yet appreciate I take the time to learn the basics of their culture (which includes religion). I am pretty sure this has helped both my professional and personal progression in life.
.standards said:
Humans without 'cultural crap'. That'd be robots then.
Think how much we'd have achieved as a species without the shackles, small-mindedness and fighting caused by religion. Religion is the one thing that divides us all and prevents progress as those who practice and preach it seem to keep us in the dark ages.Funk said:
standards said:
Humans without 'cultural crap'. That'd be robots then.
Think how much we'd have achieved as a species without the shackles, small-mindedness and fighting caused by religion. Religion is the one thing that divides us all and prevents progress as those who practice and preach it seem to keep us in the dark ages.Corpulent Tosser said:
Funk said:
standards said:
Humans without 'cultural crap'. That'd be robots then.
Think how much we'd have achieved as a species without the shackles, small-mindedness and fighting caused by religion. Religion is the one thing that divides us all and prevents progress as those who practice and preach it seem to keep us in the dark ages.Since Muslims and the islamification of our green and pleasant isle is such a big topic these days, front of the paper stuff, leading to wars, bombings on home soil, and social unrest. Giving a child some knowledge to what the basis is is probably a good idea. Otherwise they may grow up thinking the Muslim faith is abhorrent. And we can't have that.
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