The truth about immigration
Discussion
0a said:
Why are we employing polish translators in schools?
Because the Romanians don't go to school.There is nothing wrong with 'good' immigration.
I'm happy to have doctors, bankers, chefs etc.
I don't want taxi drivers, cleaners, big issue sellers etc.
Edited by voyds9 on Tuesday 7th January 22:46
Victor McDade said:
Almost 2.5 million unemployed in this country yet we are still importing cheap labour from overseas. It's madness. Yet none of major parties even talk about this.
Whenever this argument is made, I ask myself how many of the 2.5m actually want to find a job, and how many are content to sit on their arse all day and live off benefits.Mandat said:
Whenever this argument is made, I ask myself how many of the 2.5m actually want to find a job, and how many are content to sit on their arse all day and live off benefits.
That's a different (but related) problem.Just because some can't work and others don't want to work doesn't mean should import others.
Persuade the work-shy to help the country rather than just living off it.
Mandat said:
Most likely she is a teaching assistant who would be employed in that role anyway. It just so happens that she can speak both English and Polish, and therefore doubles up as a translator.
Children pick up a any language very quick,my granddaughter is nearly two.She is learning three languages nothing special.It is me who is struggling trying to keep up with her.>
The facts: there's less of them than most of us think, they pay more tax than most of us think, they claim less benefit than most of us think.
According the clever sounding blokes on the program, who know how to compile, analyse and interpret data and statistics, on balance focusing on pure economic terms the country is better off.
Those against were a lot less logical, a lot less articulate and a lot more emotive (Farage more or less accepted that the country benefitted from immigrants but still said he wanted them stopped regardless).
If the arguments against immigration are so illogical and emotive and rather than hard facts they are based on "I saw loads of RO plates on the M20" and "According to a Romanian bloke driving my taxi" they are arguments of little worth.
According the clever sounding blokes on the program, who know how to compile, analyse and interpret data and statistics, on balance focusing on pure economic terms the country is better off.
Those against were a lot less logical, a lot less articulate and a lot more emotive (Farage more or less accepted that the country benefitted from immigrants but still said he wanted them stopped regardless).
If the arguments against immigration are so illogical and emotive and rather than hard facts they are based on "I saw loads of RO plates on the M20" and "According to a Romanian bloke driving my taxi" they are arguments of little worth.
Mandat said:
Victor McDade said:
Almost 2.5 million unemployed in this country yet we are still importing cheap labour from overseas. It's madness. Yet none of major parties even talk about this.
Whenever this argument is made, I ask myself how many of the 2.5m actually want to find a job, and how many are content to sit on their arse all day and live off benefits.If the Bank of England can target the unemployment rate in determining interest rates ( see below), how about controlling/fine tuning economic migration by taking into account the unemployment rate.
Glad the debate is more open now and hopefully will lead to better controlled immigration taking account our resources/concerns/needs. A points system of a sort. Better for all, including the current immigrant population.
"MARK CARNEY is set to amend the Bank of England’s forward guidance in the coming months by changing the unemployment benchmark at which an interest rates rise will be considered.
In August, when setting out his forward guidance, the Bank governor said a rate increase would not be considered until unemployment fell to 7%. At the time, the Bank did not expect that to be until 2016.
But sharply falling unemployment means 7% could be achieved soon and City economists expect the Bank’s monetary policy committee to shift the “threshold” to 6.5%. This will allow the Bank to hold interest rates at 0.5% this year."
Tannedbaldhead said:
The facts: there's less of them than most of us think, they pay more tax than most of us think, they claim less benefit than most of us think.
According the clever sounding blokes on the program, who know how to compile, analyse and interpret data and statistics, on balance focusing on pure economic terms the country is better off.
Those against were a lot less logical, a lot less articulate and a lot more emotive (Farage more or less accepted that the country benefitted from immigrants but still said he wanted them stopped regardless).
If the arguments against immigration are so illogical and emotive and rather than hard facts they are based on "I saw loads of RO plates on the M20" and "According to a Romanian bloke driving my taxi" they are arguments of little worth.
This programme was made by the BBC FFS...what did you expect?! There was not ONE mention of the vast numbers of UNEMPLOYED, UNSKILLED immigrants from the third-world who are currently "enriching" many English cities. These same people (usually of the religion of peace) detest our culture and way of life and are here only for what they can take out the system. They in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM benefit Britain.According the clever sounding blokes on the program, who know how to compile, analyse and interpret data and statistics, on balance focusing on pure economic terms the country is better off.
Those against were a lot less logical, a lot less articulate and a lot more emotive (Farage more or less accepted that the country benefitted from immigrants but still said he wanted them stopped regardless).
If the arguments against immigration are so illogical and emotive and rather than hard facts they are based on "I saw loads of RO plates on the M20" and "According to a Romanian bloke driving my taxi" they are arguments of little worth.
Mermaid said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03phwk5
Now on BBC2
Will Nick Robinson's programme influence government policy?
I do think that Nigel Farage has stolen a march on the rest of UK politics, which given he rubbish at the top, is understandable. Cameron and co clearly think that they can hoodwink the voters again by pretending that they will address this and get away with doing nothing. Now on BBC2
Will Nick Robinson's programme influence government policy?
I suspect that this will prove to be a real problem for the coalition who will have to actually address the problem to reduce the inroads that Farage and co are making in winning the battle of forcing UK politics to face the problem. I do think the next election may have some interesting consequences in introducing effective representation currently excluded by the core UK politicians as a group, who sadly regard UK politics as their personal playground and which would be a good thing. We deserve better representation of the majority view in the UK than we are currently getting. Indeed in this case some representation would be good.
Pupp said:
0a said:
The very best English teacher is an English person, not an excuse of a person who speaks polish and May at some point speak English.
And how about written English? What part of Poland are you from? 
I have taught thousands of students, of all ages to a high level of English without having to speak a single word of their own language (whether I knew it or not).
The speed at which the students learnt was incredibly rapid, far quicker than when taught by their native teachers, with more accuracy and also with a nice proper accent!
The programme also brought home what an utter lightweight Theresa May is. She effectively has a non-job attempting to do anything about immigration; those from the EU she has no control over (but won't admit as much) and for those enrichers from outside the EU she has done the square root of jack s
t all about in her 3.5 years in office. Vote UKIP!!
t all about in her 3.5 years in office. Vote UKIP!!SILICONEKID346HP said:
Did you know it costs £100 for a interpreter every time a non English speaker goes to the Doctors !
The weird thing is a lot of the EU countries do not offer this service ,so why us ?
Why do we waste fortunes providing leaflets & forms in hundreds of other languages either? Total waste & pandering to those who don't deserve help as they aren't helping themselves by learning English.The weird thing is a lot of the EU countries do not offer this service ,so why us ?
Tannedbaldhead said:
The facts: there's less of them than most of us think, they pay more tax than most of us think, they claim less benefit than most of us think.
According the clever sounding blokes on the program, who know how to compile, analyse and interpret data and statistics, on balance focusing on pure economic terms the country is better off.
Those against were a lot less logical, a lot less articulate and a lot more emotive (Farage more or less accepted that the country benefitted from immigrants but still said he wanted them stopped regardless).
If the arguments against immigration are so illogical and emotive and rather than hard facts they are based on "I saw loads of RO plates on the M20" and "According to a Romanian bloke driving my taxi" they are arguments of little worth.
Another fact is that the makeup of the country has changed, massively, over the last 2 decades. Farage accepts that there may be economic benefits but that the negative social and cultural changes outweigh that. An entirely valid and logical argument. According the clever sounding blokes on the program, who know how to compile, analyse and interpret data and statistics, on balance focusing on pure economic terms the country is better off.
Those against were a lot less logical, a lot less articulate and a lot more emotive (Farage more or less accepted that the country benefitted from immigrants but still said he wanted them stopped regardless).
If the arguments against immigration are so illogical and emotive and rather than hard facts they are based on "I saw loads of RO plates on the M20" and "According to a Romanian bloke driving my taxi" they are arguments of little worth.
You are just seeing what you want to see and hearing what you want to hear.
Mandat said:
Victor McDade said:
Almost 2.5 million unemployed in this country yet we are still importing cheap labour from overseas. It's madness. Yet none of major parties even talk about this.
Whenever this argument is made, I ask myself how many of the 2.5m actually want to find a job, and how many are content to sit on their arse all day and live off benefits.Alot are doing a usefull job which is breeding the next Generation of welfare dependents
Mermaid said:
HonestIago said:
The programme also brought home what an utter lightweight Theresa May is. !
and Yvette Cooper would be worse!!!!!!!!Tannedbaldhead said:
The facts: there's less of them than most of us think, they pay more tax than most of us think, they claim less benefit than most of us think.
According the clever sounding blokes on the program, who know how to compile, analyse and interpret data and statistics, on balance focusing on pure economic terms the country is better off.
Those against were a lot less logical, a lot less articulate and a lot more emotive (Farage more or less accepted that the country benefitted from immigrants but still said he wanted them stopped regardless).
If the arguments against immigration are so illogical and emotive and rather than hard facts they are based on "I saw loads of RO plates on the M20" and "According to a Romanian bloke driving my taxi" they are arguments of little worth.
The problem is that we have finite resources, (housing for example), so we can't just keep letting people in. Now if we operated a "one in, one out" policy I'd be quite happy, especially if the person leaving our shores was a professional benefits claimant. I volunteer the family living at the end of my street; the father of a brood of seven kids has "White Power" tattooed on one side of his neck and "En-ger-land" (sic) on the other side, so I can't see him getting a job anytime soon, (not that he's looking for one).According the clever sounding blokes on the program, who know how to compile, analyse and interpret data and statistics, on balance focusing on pure economic terms the country is better off.
Those against were a lot less logical, a lot less articulate and a lot more emotive (Farage more or less accepted that the country benefitted from immigrants but still said he wanted them stopped regardless).
If the arguments against immigration are so illogical and emotive and rather than hard facts they are based on "I saw loads of RO plates on the M20" and "According to a Romanian bloke driving my taxi" they are arguments of little worth.
AnonSpoilSport said:
0a said:
AnonSpoilSport said:
Have you ever tried to teach/teach language to someone who does not understand, well, your own?
Yes i have. The process of teaching non English kids in English taught the English language.... Chlamydia said:
The problem is that we have finite resources, (housing for example), so we can't just keep letting people in. Now if we operated a "one in, one out" policy I'd be quite happy, especially if the person leaving our shores was a professional benefits claimant. I volunteer the family living at the end of my street; the father of a brood of seven kids has "White Power" tattooed on one side of his neck and "En-ger-land" (sic) on the other side, so I can't see him getting a job anytime soon, (not that he's looking for one).
Unfortunately most other countries immigration policies allow only skilled workers in, so generally speaking, only skilled people leave.Pupp said:
Didn't catch all the programme... was there any discussion of the potential for mass emigration from the UK to Romania (say)? There's no shortage of reports that the Romanian economy is booming currently and strikes me the parochial but powerfully built entrepreneur-directors of PH might be missing a trick
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