Apparently, diversity is white genocide.

[anonymous-user]

What parts of evolution? We are all one race, and there is nothing evolutionary about ethnic rivalry. Cultural/ethnic conflict is a cultural phenomenon and a learned behaviour (whether or not based on resources, ideology, etc). No one is born hating the dudes in the next valley.

[einsign]

deeen said:

Because we're all human.

Really, ok and as humans there are differences between us all, are you saying that difference is a bad thing or that we are all identical, clone like? Or are you saying different races of human don't exist, please explain?

[anonymous-user]

I won't speak for another poster, but different races of humans do not exist. There is only one race of humans. There were some other types of human long ago, but they became extinct.

Chinese scientists once tried to prove, for ideological reasons, that the Chinese are not the same race as other ethnic groups, but the evidence did not support them in this.

There are ethnic variations related to factors such as environment, and cultural differences.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 20th January 21:15

[s2art]

Breadvan72 said:

I won't speak for another poster, but different races of humans do not exist. There is only one race of humans. There were some other types of human long ago, but they became extinct.

Chinese scientists once tried to prove, for ideological reasons, that the Chinese are not the same race as other ethnic groups, but the evidence did not support them in this.

There are ethnic variations related to factors such as environment, and cultural differences.

Edited by Breadvan72 on Monday 20th January 21:15

Right. So you would be just fine going walkabout in the Aussie outback with the same kit and accessories as a traditional aboriginie. If you were lucky the flying doc would get to you befor you expired (worst case of sunstoke I have ever seen!). Or living as an eskimo. The idea that there are not differences between various groups doesnt bear up under any scrutiny. Not 'races' in the strict scientific sense, but closer to the idea of different breeds.

[deeen]

einsign said:

deeen said:

Because we're all human.

Really, ok and as humans there are differences between us all, are you saying that difference is a bad thing or that we are all identical, clone like? Or are you saying different races of human don't exist, please explain?

To expand, "race" is irrelevant because we are all human. There are differences between us all, and the differences are a good thing, they make our world more interesting. DNA has shown we are all related, we are all "cousins". For example, the average white Englishman is more closely related to the average black East African than the average black East African is to the average black central or southern African.

Since our understanding of DNA has shown this, talk about different "races" is as irrelevant as trying to split the human race on the basis of hair colour, or shoe size.

Differences in belief, conditioning, upbringing etc. are relevant to our lives and our future, and what we should be more interested in.

[deeen]

einsign said:

Breadvan72 said:

There were some other types of human long ago, but they became extinct.

?

E.G Neanderthals were one, I think there were 5 or 6 discovered so far depending how you categorise, very interesting section in the Natural History Museum.

[anonymous-user]

einsign said:

Breadvan72 said:

There were some other types of human long ago, but they became extinct.

?

Have you never heard of the various types of early humans that preceded modern humans? The last ones (who co existed with early modern humans) were probably the ones that we call the Neanderthals, and there is debate as to what their relationship to homo sapiens sapiens was, and as to how they met their end.

[anonymous-user]

s2art said:

Breadvan72 said:

I won't speak for another poster, but different races of humans do not exist. There is only one race of humans. There were some other types of human long ago, but they became extinct.

Chinese scientists once tried to prove, for ideological reasons, that the Chinese are not the same race as other ethnic groups, but the evidence did not support them in this.

There are ethnic variations related to factors such as environment, and cultural differences.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 20th January 21:15

Right. So you would be just fine going walkabout in the Aussie outback with the same kit and accessories as a traditional aboriginie. If you were lucky the flying doc would get to you befor you expired (worst case of sunstoke I have ever seen!). Or living as an eskimo. The idea that there are not differences between various groups doesnt bear up under any scrutiny. Not 'races' in the strict scientific sense, but closer to the idea of different breeds.

Environmental adaptations supplemented by cultural apparatus. The DNA difference between an Inuit and an Ethiopian (for example) is very small.

[4v6]

Breadvan72 said:

Have you never heard of the various types of early humans that preceded modern humans? The last ones (who co existed with early modern humans) were probably the ones that we call the Neanderthals, and there is debate as to what their relationship to homo sapiens sapiens was, and as to how they met their end.

Neanderthals, Oh youre talking about bnp again.

[s2art]

Breadvan72 said:

s2art said:

Breadvan72 said:

I won't speak for another poster, but different races of humans do not exist. There is only one race of humans. There were some other types of human long ago, but they became extinct.

Chinese scientists once tried to prove, for ideological reasons, that the Chinese are not the same race as other ethnic groups, but the evidence did not support them in this.

There are ethnic variations related to factors such as environment, and cultural differences.

Edited by Breadvan72 on Monday 20th January 21:15

Right. So you would be just fine going walkabout in the Aussie outback with the same kit and accessories as a traditional aboriginie. If you were lucky the flying doc would get to you befor you expired (worst case of sunstoke I have ever seen!). Or living as an eskimo. The idea that there are not differences between various groups doesnt bear up under any scrutiny. Not 'races' in the strict scientific sense, but closer to the idea of different breeds.

Environmental adaptations supplemented by cultural apparatus. The DNA difference between an Inuit and an Ethiopian (for example) is very small.

The DNA difference between us and a banana isnt huge. Small differences in DNA can result in significant differences in the organism. Like to see an Ethiopian survive in the frozen north, or an Eskimo go walkabout in the outback. Both would do very poorly and would be unlikely to breed.

[longblackcoat]

obob said:

I have no idea what I was trying to say. I think I was trying to say the BNP have not been fuelled by the anti EU sentiment as they are more irrelevant now then any point of their history.

They are also socialists.

The BNP are not socialists. National socialists, agreed, but that's a very different thing.

[Vaud]

s2art said:

The DNA difference between us and a banana isnt huge. Small differences in DNA can result in significant differences in the organism. Like to see an Ethiopian survive in the frozen north, or an Eskimo go walkabout in the outback. Both would do very poorly and would be unlikely to breed.

Given the same clothes and time to adapt (as in months/years) they would be able to, but that isn't DNA adaptation, thats a function of environment.

Much as you would struggle in the outback or polar landscapes, assuming you aren't subjected to that environment as a learned set of behaviours from early life.

Man has been interbreeding for far, far too long for DNA to be significantly different in the way you allude to.

[mattnunn]

s2art said:

Not 'races' in the strict scientific sense, but closer to the idea of different breeds.

Eugenics has not been scientific in a very strict sense since about 1939.

Different breeds... Holy feckin mother of all wisdom it's 2014, what planet have you spent the last 25 years on? Don't you know that if you want to say stuff like this is etiquette (in the strict sense) to at least add a Daily Mail link and prefix it with "I'm not a racist but..."

[anonymous-user]

Humans adapt. The evidence indicates that everyone came from Africa, and adapted over time to live in different parts of the planet. All this talk of breeds is a bit odd, as we aren't dogs at Crufts.

Have you read "Guns, Germs, and Steel", by the way?

[Colonial]

s2art said:

Right. So you would be just fine going walkabout in the Aussie outback with the same kit and accessories as a traditional aboriginie. If you were lucky the flying doc would get to you befor you expired (worst case of sunstoke I have ever seen!). Or living as an eskimo. The idea that there are not differences between various groups doesnt bear up under any scrutiny. Not 'races' in the strict scientific sense, but closer to the idea of different breeds.

I'd argue that cultural traditions and knowledge from Central Australian Aboriginal Tribes are of far more importance than anything else. Simple things, like how to find water, food, read the land and not walk in the middle of the day.

Plus, conditioning of the body from living in the area all the time.

You drop an Aboriginal kid from an inner city apartment block into the middle of the desert and he will struggle much more than a whitefella who lives on a farm out there and works closely with a lot of Aboriginal stockman and the like. Hell. You drop an Aboriginal who is skilled in customary tradition of a coastal community into the middle of the desert and he will struggle as well.

The cultural knowledge and traditions, adapted to a particular place, as well as exposure to that environment are what makes the largest difference.

[Foppo]

4v6 said:

Neanderthals, Oh youre talking about bnp again.

Didn't the Neanderthals die out and a new race emerged?

Ein volk boven alles.>

[s2art]

Vaud said:

s2art said:

The DNA difference between us and a banana isnt huge. Small differences in DNA can result in significant differences in the organism. Like to see an Ethiopian survive in the frozen north, or an Eskimo go walkabout in the outback. Both would do very poorly and would be unlikely to breed.

Given the same clothes and time to adapt (as in months/years) they would be able to, but that isn't DNA adaptation, thats a function of environment.

Much as you would struggle in the outback or polar landscapes, assuming you aren't subjected to that environment as a learned set of behaviours from early life.

Man has been interbreeding for far, far too long for DNA to be significantly different in the way you allude to.

Nope. Thats wrong. The body plan of Eskimos is quite different to the African body plan. Much stubbier arms and legs to minimise surface area and thus heat loss. No amount of 'adaptation' can overcome this. And it works the other way too, an Ethiopian has long limbs and a high surface area to volume ratio, ideal for shedding heat not so good for conserving it. There are other differences too, dark skin is good for resisting UV but lousy for generating vitamin D in low sun environments.

[Vaud]

s2art said:

Nope. Thats wrong. The body plan of Eskimos is quite different to the African body plan. Much stubbier arms and legs to minimise surface area and thus heat loss. No amount of 'adaptation' can overcome this. And it works the other way too, an Ethiopian has long limbs and a high surface area to volume ratio, ideal for shedding heat not so good for conserving it. There are other differences too, dark skin is good for resisting UV but lousy for generating vitamin D in low sun environments.

I always like to learn from PH. Are you saying they could not survive if they were, say, born into that region rather than the region of their parents?

The body is remarkably adaptable. Can you cite some medical papers on your points around differing body plans and differing DNA being a barrier to adaptation into non-"native" climates?

[Colonial]

I personally like this story about the white supremacist who was 14% black

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/w...

He has since had a freak out and is in prison.

This is what happens if you concentrate on such meaningless nonsense.

[mattnunn]

s2art said:

Vaud said:

s2art said:

The DNA difference between us and a banana isnt huge. Small differences in DNA can result in significant differences in the organism. Like to see an Ethiopian survive in the frozen north, or an Eskimo go walkabout in the outback. Both would do very poorly and would be unlikely to breed.

Given the same clothes and time to adapt (as in months/years) they would be able to, but that isn't DNA adaptation, thats a function of environment.

Much as you would struggle in the outback or polar landscapes, assuming you aren't subjected to that environment as a learned set of behaviours from early life.

Man has been interbreeding for far, far too long for DNA to be significantly different in the way you allude to.

Nope. Thats wrong. The body plan of Eskimos is quite different to the African body plan. Much stubbier arms and legs to minimise surface area and thus heat loss. No amount of 'adaptation' can overcome this. And it works the other way too, an Ethiopian has long limbs and a high surface area to volume ratio, ideal for shedding heat not so good for conserving it. There are other differences too, dark skin is good for resisting UV but lousy for generating vitamin D in low sun environments.

So, so what? The Sherpa people of Nepal have increased oxygen transport and lung efficiency which prevents them getting altitude sickness... So what? What does it matter one iota to anything? Pointless discussion is pointless unless someone is willing to go a step further and start saying that people with increased lung transfer efficiency should stay over there and people with lactose intolerance should stay over there, pointless ridiculous meaningless drivel.