War with Russia

[sunoco69]

Mermaid said:

Russian foreign minister Lavrov to meet UN secretary General in Geneva and Russian is threatened expulsion from the G8 - diplomatic screws tightening on Russia. They would have been better off invading Iraq.

Sadly I dont Mr Putin will give a st about it.

[DonkeyApple]

AJS- said:

There are 150 million people in people across 9 time zones in Russia, so saying things like they're all retarded or they're all well educated or they're all anything is completely pointless.


The consensus seems to be that any military confrontation with Russia is a total non-starter at this point.

This is very true. You can level a charge of being grotesquely racist and homophobic but then that is just Europe all over so pretty normal.

[Mermaid]

BEIJING (Reuters) - China and Russia's foreign ministers spoke about the crisis in Ukraine on Monday, and both countries agreed it was very important to "appropriately handle" the issue, China's Foreign Ministry said.

"Both sides believe that the appropriate handling of the Ukraine crisis is very important to maintaining regional peace and stability," the ministry said in a statement on its website.



Counter balance to the rhetoric from the West.

[AA999]

To me this is the usual western media ramping up efforts to sell 'news' to a western audience through the use of misguided fear.
If the americans were doing a similar operation on their back door then it would be classed by the western media as a humanitarian mission to protect and stablalise the region.

I find the western approach to this quite disturbing to be honest. 'We' seem to be approving the forced removal of an elected government in favour of a neo-nazi far right unelected 'regime'.
The media's attempts to call this an invasion of sovereignty is very rich considering the UK and USA invaded the sovereignty of a good number of nations in recent years at the protest of Russia and other UN members.


All I can think is that the old days of the 'cold war' must have been better sales days for the 'press'.

[Bluebarge]

Mermaid said:

BEIJING (Reuters) - China and Russia's foreign ministers spoke about the crisis in Ukraine on Monday, and both countries agreed it was very important to "appropriately handle" the issue, China's Foreign Ministry said.

"Both sides believe that the appropriate handling of the Ukraine crisis is very important to maintaining regional peace and stability," the ministry said in a statement on its website.



Counter balance to the rhetoric from the West.

I think you are mis-reading that. It is diplomatic speak for "we didn't agree on anything but China is far enough away for them not to care too much".

[Puggit]

Bluebarge said:

I think you are mis-reading that. It is diplomatic speak for "we didn't agree on anything but China is far enough away for them not to care too much".

I read it as "China would have done the same thing in similar circumstances"

[Pommygranite]

Can you imagine if Scotland became independent (they won't) and 20 years later after a public uprising against the govt due to the price of Irn Bru and deep fried mars bars England invaded, took it back and Russia told us to back off?

We'd tell them to bugger offski.

[superkartracer]

http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

War with Russia we most defo do not want

[FatSumo]

skyrover said:

Peterborough? I knew it wasn't full of poor Eastern European plumbers....... Those sneaky Russians........

[sunoco69]

AA999 said:

The media's attempts to call this an invasion of sovereignty is very rich considering the UK and USA invaded the sovereignty of a good number of nations in recent years at the protest of Russia and other UN members.

Is 2 a good number? I assume you are referring to Iraq and Afghanistan?

Iraq wasn't just US & UK, other nations provided troops for the invasion i.e. Spain, Australia, Poland, Portugal, and Denmark.
Afghanistan also had Australian troops for the invasion.

I seem to recall Georgia and Chechnya in the same time period so the old bear isn't exactly innocent.

[DMN]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Given that UK feels entitled to a chunk of Argentina.

Obvious Troll is stupid.

[sunoco69]

DMN said:

Obvious Troll is stupid.

I am intrigued to his rational on how the Falklands are Argentinian.

[DonkeyApple]

One aspect to hold in the mind is that if there had been a bro fascist coup of a country where a spot of land contained British military installations that protected British trade routes and where half the population was British, how would we feel if the British Govt sent British troops to annex the zone and retain control?

Not sure I am yet seeing an issue here.

[Bill]

AA999 said:

'We' seem to be approving the forced removal of an elected government in favour of a neo-nazi far right unelected 'regime'.

Eh?

[DMN]

Puggit said:

Bluebarge said:

I think you are mis-reading that. It is diplomatic speak for "we didn't agree on anything but China is far enough away for them not to care too much".

I read it as "China would have done the same thing in similar circumstances"

This is an important event for China, given how it feels about Taiwan and other Islands off of other peoples coast lines. Its in Chinas benefit to side with Russia.

[santona1937]

ALmost every Russian I know is tri lingual or better. As someone said the truly elite do not even bother with university, it is not needed. THere is a good history of the educated proletariat in Russia, but even the uneducated peasant, living in a shack in some tiny forgotten snow bound village, has an innate appreciation for beauty and a sense of place, unlike the same folks in the west.
IMHO the west will not be prepared to put boots on the ground in order to defend The Ukraine, but the Russians will happily do so, merely to prove a point. THe Russians will go a Very Long Way to prove point
especially when drinking.

[sunoco69]

Guam said:

sunoco69 said:

DMN said:

Obvious Troll is stupid.

I am intrigued to his rational on how the Falklands are Argentinian.

Ozzie isnt interested in Rationale he is only interested in getting a reaction, best thing to do is ignore him.

Ahhhhh but that's no fun at all.

[Siscar]

DonkeyApple said:

One aspect to hold in the mind is that if there had been a bro fascist coup of a country where a spot of land contained British military installations that protected British trade routes and where half the population was British, how would we feel if the British Govt sent British troops to annex the zone and retain control?

Not sure I am yet seeing an issue here.

Yes, it is a little more complex that it first appears. Crimea had it's own parliament - I liken it to Scotland with a local Parliament - that has now been de-recognised by Ukraine, they've banned Russian as a state language so it can no longer be used in courts and schools etc and so on.

Since in the Crimea over half of the population is Russian and if you go there, I have, Sevastopol in particular is a Russian city, hard to see it as anything else. On 24% are ethic Ukrainians.

I'm not defending the Russians but it is easy to see why they might not be happy with how things are, it sounds to me like at least to some extent the actions of the new Ukrainian President in recent days haven't helped a lot.

[Mermaid]

Siscar said:

I'm not defending the Russians but it is easy to see why they might not be happy with how things are, it sounds to me like at least to some extent the actions of the new Ukrainian President in recent days haven't helped a lot.

Russia say it wants to defend Russian speakers/Russians in Ukraine.

[Engineer1]

sunoco69 said:

Is 2 a good number? I assume you are referring to Iraq and Afghanistan?

Iraq wasn't just US & UK, other nations provided troops for the invasion i.e. Spain, Australia, Poland, Portugal, and Denmark.
Afghanistan also had Australian troops for the invasion.

I seem to recall Georgia and Chechnya in the same time period so the old bear isn't exactly innocent.

Chechnya where the evidence it was Chechens that actually sparked it is questioned in some circles,