War with Russia
Discussion
skyrover said:
How many pieces of land has the west annexed over the past century vs Russia?
How many countries look to the West to protect them from Russian aggression?
I don't know the answer to the annexation thing, the US did like to take places in the Pacific Rim but exerting influence via other means was less costly as time went on. I don't know when Russia took Siberia, they took the Baltic states, and exerted influence over East Europe.How many countries look to the West to protect them from Russian aggression?
I think many places in the East Europe area look to NATO/West/US for some sort of stick to keep off the Russians.
Foppo said:
I wonder how many nuclear bases here in the U.K.with nuclear rockets are pointed at Russia.
Something to look forward to if all hell breaks loose we be the first to go.
Putin and Obama in a ring bare fist.Saves us all a lot of bother.The winner takes all.
None... our deterrent is submarine basedSomething to look forward to if all hell breaks loose we be the first to go.
Putin and Obama in a ring bare fist.Saves us all a lot of bother.The winner takes all.
Russia has begun its military intervention in Syria, deploying an aerial contingent to a permanent Syrian base, in order to launch attacks against ISIS and Islamist rebels; US stays silent.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
skyrover said:
None... our deterrent is submarine based
which is a smart strategy as they probably wouldn't target the mainland, at least not in first strikesAreOut said:
Russia has begun its military intervention in Syria, deploying an aerial contingent to a permanent Syrian base, in order to launch attacks against ISIS and Islamist rebels; US stays silent.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
If they fly their planes like they drive their cars - expect some f*ck ups.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
Cobnapint said:
AreOut said:
Russia has begun its military intervention in Syria, deploying an aerial contingent to a permanent Syrian base, in order to launch attacks against ISIS and Islamist rebels; US stays silent.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
If they fly their planes like they drive their cars - expect some f*ck ups.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
This has potential to turn very hot, very quickly, as it is now not a proxy war any longer. You have the potential of Russian, Syrian and NATO aircraft all operating in the same airspace, the ROE will be interesting.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 1st September 09:27
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Cobnapint said:
AreOut said:
Russia has begun its military intervention in Syria, deploying an aerial contingent to a permanent Syrian base, in order to launch attacks against ISIS and Islamist rebels; US stays silent.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
If they fly their planes like they drive their cars - expect some f*ck ups.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
This has potential to turn very hot, very quickly, as it is now not a proxy war any longer. You have the potential of Russian, Syrian and NATO aircraft all operating in the same airspace, the ROE will be interesting.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 1st September 09:27
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)AreOut said:
Russia has begun its military intervention in Syria, deploying an aerial contingent to a permanent Syrian base, in order to launch attacks against ISIS and Islamist rebels; US stays silent.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
Not surprising. This is exactly what they don't want. ISIS is being used by the Americans as a tool, and they are trying to manage the destruction until Assad is gone. We can expect thousands more dead, refugees aplenty, and further destruction of invaluable cultural artifacts and sites before this is over methinks. Cynical and disgusting.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
The place will become a virtual powder keg with the Syrians, Russians, and Amis mixing it up now.
skyrover said:
How many pieces of land has the west annexed over the past century vs Russia?
The treaty of Brest Litovsk is often cited as an example of the Carthaginian peace a victorious Germany would have imposed on Europe in WW1, but the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 was even more disastrous for Russia.The West may not have physically taken that land, but an international order that only allows for borders to be set on the basis of internal administrative boundaries, no matter how arbitrarily set, had the same affect.
I believe in national self-determination, including that of Russians, in lands that had been Russian for generations, who found themselves in foreign countries upon the collapse of the Soviet Union.
skyrover said:
Of course the Russians will make it all better eh scherzkeks?
A multipolar world in which empire is counterbalanced is the logical choice IMO. That you have such a hard-on for the new American century is amusing, given that your nation has been reduced to nothing more than a lapdog. So the will of the Russian minority should usurp the will of the domestic majority?
The Russian population was not native, but implanted and while I believe utterly in the rights of those citizens to live in the country they were born, the best way to about this is to integrate and contribute to their hosts
If I were a Russian living in Estonia right now I would be counting my blessings.
The Russian population was not native, but implanted and while I believe utterly in the rights of those citizens to live in the country they were born, the best way to about this is to integrate and contribute to their hosts
If I were a Russian living in Estonia right now I would be counting my blessings.
Edited by skyrover on Tuesday 1st September 12:09
skyrover said:
So the will of the Russian minority should usurp the will of the domestic majority?
The Russian population was not native, but implanted and while I believe utterly in the rights of those citizens to live in the country they were born, the best way to about this is to integrate and contribute to their hosts
If I were a Russian living in Estonia right now I would be counting my blessings.
It depends where we are talking about.The Russian population was not native, but implanted and while I believe utterly in the rights of those citizens to live in the country they were born, the best way to about this is to integrate and contribute to their hosts
If I were a Russian living in Estonia right now I would be counting my blessings.
If we are talking about the Baltic states then yes most of the Russian incomers were post WW2 and it would be hard to argue that the territorial integrity of clearly defined states, that had a period of independence in the inter-war years, should be compromised by such latecomers.
When it comes to places like Belo-Russia or Ukraine the picture is far less clear. There was never before 1991 an independent country for either one of them. If we look back earlier into history all three peoples began as one in the Mediaeval civilisation of the Kievan Rus. Belarus simply means "white Russia" and Ukraine simply means "border frontier". I.E. a part of the lands of the Rus making up their border with other peoples.
They now consider themselves separate peoples but let us not pretend these were distinct nation states and any Russians present in 1991 were interlopers. By 1700 Russia held the lands east of the Dineper and Kiev and the PLC held the lands west. Within the lands held by Russia, that became modern day Ukraine, were indeed people's who considered themselves distinct from Russia, whether that be the Cossack peoples or what have you but there were also many Russian speakers who came to populate lands that had been left empty by Horde and Tartar raids. If they are interlopers please enlighten me who they stole the land from?
When we look at the conflict in East Ukraine that is what we are talking of. Lands settled by Russians that were part of the an internal administrative unit, that later became a separate nation upon the collapse of the USSR.
PRTVR said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Cobnapint said:
AreOut said:
Russia has begun its military intervention in Syria, deploying an aerial contingent to a permanent Syrian base, in order to launch attacks against ISIS and Islamist rebels; US stays silent.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
If they fly their planes like they drive their cars - expect some f*ck ups.http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,...
This has potential to turn very hot, very quickly, as it is now not a proxy war any longer. You have the potential of Russian, Syrian and NATO aircraft all operating in the same airspace, the ROE will be interesting.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 1st September 09:27
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