War with Russia

[jmorgan]

loafer123 said:

There is a Russian diplomatic compound fairly near my house.

I was wondering if I could trap them in there by spraying a thin line of red paint across the entrance...?

Why stop at line? Make it a mini maze with no exit.......

[Zod]

frankenstein12 said:

DMN said:

Another critic of Putin has commited suicide. Cause of death was assasination.

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/breaking-former-ru...

Not his biggest fan but think he is very good as a leader in many ways. That said he or his allies really don't help him with these sorts of things.

Well, that doesn't surprise me. In what way is he a good leader? He is very good at self-enrichment and having inconvenient people drop dead.

Has he put in place measures to move the Russian economy away from its dependence on mineral extraction?

Actually, just name one aspect of his leadership that is good.

Edited by Zod on Monday 10th April 16:18

[frankenstein12]

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

DMN said:

Another critic of Putin has commited suicide. Cause of death was assasination.

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/breaking-former-ru...

Not his biggest fan but think he is very good as a leader in many ways. That said he or his allies really don't help him with these sorts of things.

Well, that doesn't surprise me. In what way is he a good leader? He is very good at self-enrichment and having inconvenient people drop dead.

Has he put in place measures to move the Russian economy away from its dependence on mineral extraction?

Actually, just name one aspect of his leadership that is good.

Edited by Zod on Monday 10th April 16:18

He does not fk around. He does not make idle threats unlike the US, UK, etc.

[Zod]

frankenstein12 said:

He does not fk around. He does not make idle threats unlike the US, UK, etc.

Even if that were impressive (which it isn't), he has just done exactly that.

[frankenstein12]

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

He does not fk around. He does not make idle threats unlike the US, UK, etc.

Even if that were impressive (which it isn't), he has just done exactly that.

In what way? He has just told the US he will not permit any further aggression against Assad. He is moving military hardware into place in Syria to prevent any further attacks. I very much doubt he plans to shoot at any US aircraft but any missile launched will be shot down (theoretically).
He has put one of his battle ships between the US carriers and Syria meaning the US would in firing missiles at Syria also be firing them in the direction of the Russian fleet.

This could in turn be misinterpreted as the US firing at the Russians rather than Syria giving Russia a valid reason to fire back.

[loafer123]

The obvious next US move is therefore special forces. Russia has nothing material on the ground, and Assad would crap himself.

[Zod]

frankenstein12 said:

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

He does not fk around. He does not make idle threats unlike the US, UK, etc.

Even if that were impressive (which it isn't), he has just done exactly that.

In what way? He has just told the US he will not permit any further aggression against Assad. He is moving military hardware into place in Syria to prevent any further attacks. I very much doubt he plans to shoot at any US aircraft but any missile launched will be shot down (theoretically).
He has put one of his battle ships between the US carriers and Syria meaning the US would in firing missiles at Syria also be firing them in the direction of the Russian fleet.

This could in turn be misinterpreted as the US firing at the Russians rather than Syria giving Russia a valid reason to fire back.

Are you serious?

[frankenstein12]

loafer123 said:

The obvious next US move is therefore special forces. Russia has nothing material on the ground, and Assad would crap himself.

Whom Russia and Assad would be within their legal rights to engage as they would be launching an illegal invasion. It is recognised the US has no legal right to launch any offensive against Syria. They are not there by invitation of the legitimate government. The Russians however are.

In turn it will potentially very rapidly spiral global events out of control.

[frankenstein12]

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

He does not fk around. He does not make idle threats unlike the US, UK, etc.

Even if that were impressive (which it isn't), he has just done exactly that.

In what way? He has just told the US he will not permit any further aggression against Assad. He is moving military hardware into place in Syria to prevent any further attacks. I very much doubt he plans to shoot at any US aircraft but any missile launched will be shot down (theoretically).
He has put one of his battle ships between the US carriers and Syria meaning the US would in firing missiles at Syria also be firing them in the direction of the Russian fleet.

This could in turn be misinterpreted as the US firing at the Russians rather than Syria giving Russia a valid reason to fire back.

Are you serious?

Very. The US is there illegally. They are firing missiles into Syria illegally. Syria has a right to defend itself and call on its allies to assist. Russia is their ally and is there at the Syrian governments request.

Firing missiles in the direction of a Russian warship whether or not they are actually firing at the Russians can be seen as an attempt to fire on the Russians and they would be within their rights to retaliate.

[mikees]

I'm presuming Russia haven't deployed their A2/AD tech in Syria ?

Link for those interested.

https://pulaski.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Pula...

[frankenstein12]

mikees said:

I'm presuming Russia haven't deployed their A2/AD tech in Syria ?

Link for those interested.

https://pulaski.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Pula...

I believe they are now in the process of doing so. Presently they have growlers?? I believe at one of the bases and so theoretically should have been able to shoot down the US missiles if they work as the Russians claim.

[Zod]

frankenstein12 said:

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

He does not fk around. He does not make idle threats unlike the US, UK, etc.

Even if that were impressive (which it isn't), he has just done exactly that.

In what way? He has just told the US he will not permit any further aggression against Assad. He is moving military hardware into place in Syria to prevent any further attacks. I very much doubt he plans to shoot at any US aircraft but any missile launched will be shot down (theoretically).
He has put one of his battle ships between the US carriers and Syria meaning the US would in firing missiles at Syria also be firing them in the direction of the Russian fleet.

This could in turn be misinterpreted as the US firing at the Russians rather than Syria giving Russia a valid reason to fire back.

Are you serious?

Very. The US is there illegally. They are firing missiles into Syria illegally. Syria has a right to defend itself and call on its allies to assist. Russia is their ally and is there at the Syrian governments request.

Firing missiles in the direction of a Russian warship whether or not they are actually firing at the Russians can be seen as an attempt to fire on the Russians and they would be within their rights to retaliate.

do you have any awareness of the history of the years between 1945 and 1991?

[citizensm1th]

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

He does not fk around. He does not make idle threats unlike the US, UK, etc.

Even if that were impressive (which it isn't), he has just done exactly that.

In what way? He has just told the US he will not permit any further aggression against Assad. He is moving military hardware into place in Syria to prevent any further attacks. I very much doubt he plans to shoot at any US aircraft but any missile launched will be shot down (theoretically).
He has put one of his battle ships between the US carriers and Syria meaning the US would in firing missiles at Syria also be firing them in the direction of the Russian fleet.

This could in turn be misinterpreted as the US firing at the Russians rather than Syria giving Russia a valid reason to fire back.

Are you serious?

Very. The US is there illegally. They are firing missiles into Syria illegally. Syria has a right to defend itself and call on its allies to assist. Russia is their ally and is there at the Syrian governments request.

Firing missiles in the direction of a Russian warship whether or not they are actually firing at the Russians can be seen as an attempt to fire on the Russians and they would be within their rights to retaliate.

do you have any awareness of the history of the years between 1945 and 1991?

No he just thinks the Russians are stupid, what first world military would send their best and newest area defence tech to a third world st hole so their number one opponent can fire 1980's tech at it and there by test and determine the best way to counter it. even comrade putin is not that stupid.

[Cobnapint]

citizensm1th said:

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

Zod said:

frankenstein12 said:

He does not fk around. He does not make idle threats unlike the US, UK, etc.

Even if that were impressive (which it isn't), he has just done exactly that.

In what way? He has just told the US he will not permit any further aggression against Assad. He is moving military hardware into place in Syria to prevent any further attacks. I very much doubt he plans to shoot at any US aircraft but any missile launched will be shot down (theoretically).
He has put one of his battle ships between the US carriers and Syria meaning the US would in firing missiles at Syria also be firing them in the direction of the Russian fleet.

This could in turn be misinterpreted as the US firing at the Russians rather than Syria giving Russia a valid reason to fire back.

Are you serious?

Very. The US is there illegally. They are firing missiles into Syria illegally. Syria has a right to defend itself and call on its allies to assist. Russia is their ally and is there at the Syrian governments request.

Firing missiles in the direction of a Russian warship whether or not they are actually firing at the Russians can be seen as an attempt to fire on the Russians and they would be within their rights to retaliate.

do you have any awareness of the history of the years between 1945 and 1991?

No he just thinks the Russians are stupid, what first world military would send their best and newest area defence tech to a third world st hole so their number one opponent can fire 1980's tech at it and there by test and determine the best way to counter it. even comrade putin is not that stupid.

Correct. There is no way on this earth that Putin would attack any US asset, he knows the consequences if he does.

The same goes for the US, why do you think they warned Moscow before the cruise missile strike, they were giving Russia chance to get any assets they might have had there out of the fookin way.

Putin is just trying to show Assad he's still his best buddy. He may be a lying little bd - but he sure ain't stupid.

[Yipper]

America and Russia, the big two military superpowers, are basically playing global chess. As they have done for the past ~75 years.

Putin had some good moves in 2016 when he helped Assad beat back IS and others.

Trump has fought back with fresh moves in 2017 by concocting faux-shock about a dubious gas attack and putting Assad on the back foot.

[scherzkeks]

frankenstein12 said:

Very. The US is there illegally. They are firing missiles into Syria illegally.

Careful, you're sure to be insulted for that tidbit of truth!

[Crippo]

Its all very well getting excited about who has the biggest bombs and the best Military tech but throwing your weight around in the powder keg of the Middle East is not something anyone should take likely.................. Most Wars are accidents.

[Sylvaforever]

frankenstein12 said:

loafer123 said:

The obvious next US move is therefore special forces. Russia has nothing material on the ground, and Assad would crap himself.

Whom Russia and Assad would be within their legal rights to engage as they would be launching an illegal invasion. It is recognised the US has no legal right to launch any offensive against Syria. They are not there by invitation of the legitimate government. The Russians however are.

In turn it will potentially very rapidly spiral global events out of control.

it will potentially



So, reportedly, half of the cruise missiles never arrived on target.

I don't think, despite their age, they are that shyte, I don't know how they navigate but there have been no reports of GPS spoofing etc but the reported warnings to Russia may have seriously compromised their No 1 asset, that of surprise...

[frankenstein12]

Sylvaforever said:

frankenstein12 said:

loafer123 said:

The obvious next US move is therefore special forces. Russia has nothing material on the ground, and Assad would crap himself.

Whom Russia and Assad would be within their legal rights to engage as they would be launching an illegal invasion. It is recognised the US has no legal right to launch any offensive against Syria. They are not there by invitation of the legitimate government. The Russians however are.

In turn it will potentially very rapidly spiral global events out of control.

it will potentially



So, reportedly, half of the cruise missiles never arrived on target.

I don't think, despite their age, they are that shyte, I don't know how they navigate but there have been no reports of GPS spoofing etc but the reported warnings to Russia may have seriously compromised their No 1 asset, that of surprise...

Unfortunately we can't all be quite as ignorant as you. A few pages back many were saying Trump and the US would never ever retaliate against Assad yet here we are and Trump has flung a bunch of missiles into Syria illegally. Now we are meant to believe that the Russians won't do anything if the US fires missiles into Syria again.

A country whos leader Putin is not much different to Trump in that he does what he threatens to.

Russia have invested a huge amount of time and money into trying to assist Assad in getting rid of Isis with the US doing everything they could to undermine Assad and Russias efforts.

While Putin is no fool he would not put his weapons systems into Syria unless he was willing to use them. He already has some on a base but has stated he is moving new kit to Syria to beef up Syrian defence.

They are not secret and there are plenty of videos of the kit being tested so it's not like they will be showing the US anything new unless they don't work as well as videos appear to suggest.

The US DOD has already admitted that Russia is ahead of them in a number of areas weapons wise and that it concerns them.

[Cobnapint]

scherzkeks said:

frankenstein12 said:

Very. The US is there illegally. They are firing missiles into Syria illegally.

Careful, you're sure to be insulted for that tidbit of truth!

Nobody's going to insult him for it, because it's, like you say, true. But there are a gazillion other titbits of truth about Russia and Putin that you conveniently like to ignore.

Putin is unconditionally supporting not just a dictator, but the action that that dictator has just carried out. There has been no condemnation, just an immediate quote produced from the Kremlin's random lie generator, which by now must be about bksed after overheating during the period when Putin 'didn't' have any troops in Crimea or assist in anyway whatsoever in the shooting down of a Malaysian airliner.

The legal route is of course via the UN, but that is useless when you have permanent members on the SC who refuse to distinguish between right and wrong.