War with Russia
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Maybe we'd better not flog (I use the term advisedly) all these weapons to rich Arabs and others and keep them to defend ourselves from Ivan. More populist crap to prop up deluded notions of British importance and to justify the lurid amounts of money spent by us and the USA on weaponry - an expenditure which dwarfs Russia's.
Perseverant said:
Maybe we'd better not flog (I use the term advisedly) all these weapons to rich Arabs and others and keep them to defend ourselves from Ivan. More populist crap to prop up deluded notions of British importance and to justify the lurid amounts of money spent by us and the USA on weaponry - an expenditure which dwarfs Russia's.
Its not like buying a Ford.The more units you flog to folks who probably won't use them against you, the lower the unit price to you, as it spreads the R&D out.
Too Drunk to Funk said:
Yet more anti-Russian alarmist nonsense. Please stop treating us all like a bunch of retards.
Agreed.The media and "the west" in general are very much into wanting to make western citizens fearful of Russia.
I think the hidden agenda is the primarily the expansion of the EU towards the east and the expansion/justification of NATO.
The reasons for this can be speculated on, but I hazard a guess it contains some of the following:
- The american dream of eradicating commies - its said there are many in the military/government that hold on to the cold war as their meaning of purpose.
- An excuse to keep and expand NATO and therefore american worldwide military influence/dominance.
- Ensuring Russia does not become a global competitor in business or military.
- Ensuring politicians in the west have a common enemy - which gives them hypothetical credibility/following on the global stage.
Also in terms of "cyber-warefare", "hacking", "spying", "political meddling" etc. I think the general western public these days are more than likely aware (or presume at least), that the west is conducting just as much of it as the Russian may be doing.
I would be very surprised if the west is not conducting the above towards Russia, China, and any other commonly perceived opposition.
The american government don't even need a nation to be considered an 'enemy', they conduct the above on 'friendly' nations.
(Germany for example and the tapping of Merkel's phone by the NSA)
(Also Wiki leaks for example, highlighting the many different methods used to tap civilians of not only 'enemy states' but also friendly nations and even 'home' nations)
etc. etc.
I guess this is why they still want to kill Assange
JagLover said:
This
Russia seems to make a convenient bogeyman for the establishment as it is too weak to be any threat to us.
Yes, because Putin is definitely didn't invade Crimea and isn't fRussia seems to make a convenient bogeyman for the establishment as it is too weak to be any threat to us.
king about in Eastern Europe, Eastern Ukraine, Syria, the US elections, or paying for biased news outlets in the UK like Sputnik or RT. We are imagining it all. It isn't happening.Never underestimate the potential for people to follow a charismatic, powerful and manipulative leader down a crazy path that has been laid to suit the personal grievances or nuances of that leader. You might think the Russian people don't seem to want to enslave anyone else but who knows what is going on in Putin's head. I certainly don't! It may be that he's simply a proud nationalist who will protect his mother country where necessary. It may be that he has decided that he wants to rule others. Look at what happened to the Germans because of Adolf H, question what Kissinger's motivations were for fking over the Palestinians and Syrians, then see what Assad (senior) brought upon his own people through seeking vengeance for the American betrayal. Eliminate the aforementioned people from those scenarios and you would probably find these events would never have happened or history would have followed a very different course.
I think I've mentioned the potential for Arctic territory, and potential energy reserves, to be a flashpoint between the Russians and the Americans. It's something that the Russians have already anticipated and they have started probing the Arctic. I personally think that both sides are already preparing for such a scenario. The best we should hope for is a treaty akin to that which was agreed for Antarctica, something the Americans really pushed for. But they would, wouldn't they, because they had nothing to lose there. I can't see them acting so holy when the scenario involves them agreeing to keep their hands off something.
I think I've mentioned before that
king over the Palestinians and Syrians, then see what Assad (senior) brought upon his own people through seeking vengeance for the American betrayal. Eliminate the aforementioned people from those scenarios and you would probably find these events would never have happened or history would have followed a very different course. I think I've mentioned the potential for Arctic territory, and potential energy reserves, to be a flashpoint between the Russians and the Americans. It's something that the Russians have already anticipated and they have started probing the Arctic. I personally think that both sides are already preparing for such a scenario. The best we should hope for is a treaty akin to that which was agreed for Antarctica, something the Americans really pushed for. But they would, wouldn't they, because they had nothing to lose there. I can't see them acting so holy when the scenario involves them agreeing to keep their hands off something.
I think I've mentioned before that
Cobnapint said:
JagLover said:
This
Russia seems to make a convenient bogeyman for the establishment as it is too weak to be any threat to us.
Yes, because Putin is definitely didn't invade Crimea and isn't fRussia seems to make a convenient bogeyman for the establishment as it is too weak to be any threat to us.
king about in Eastern Europe, Eastern Ukraine, Syria, the US elections, or paying for biased news outlets in the UK like Sputnik or RT. We are imagining it all. It isn't happening.it is not like EU and the US fermented revolution in Ukraine or spent 5 billion dollars "supporting democracy" is it? Damn Russians, getting nervous about their eastern border, not like they have been invaded that way before, costing over 40 million lives, geez such weirdos ! NATO would never move eastwards, Putin is clearly showing aggression.
Influencing elections? Not like the Uk and US will invade a country on a false premise, throwing it into decades of violent civil war, only an autocratic warmongers would do that, must have been Putin influencing the elections. Clear aggression by Russia in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq, the sneaky vodka drinkers.
Finally, shall we talk "Russian cyberwarfare" I leave you with a single word, Stuxnet.
Yes, Russia is the certainly the problem, and we need to prepare for invasion, just in case our SLBM's are not enough to turn most of the planet into glass
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 26th January 15:46
Cobnapint said:
Yes, because Putin is definitely didn't invade Crimea and isn't fking about in Eastern Europe, Eastern Ukraine, Syria, the US elections, or paying for biased news outlets in the UK like Sputnik or RT. We are imagining it all. It isn't happening.
Perhaps you can enlighten us of the essential UK interest bound up in Crimea, which was Russian until 1954 when it was handed over to the Ukraine when they were both part of the USSR.king about in Eastern Europe, Eastern Ukraine, Syria, the US elections, or paying for biased news outlets in the UK like Sputnik or RT. We are imagining it all. It isn't happening.As for biased news outlets in the UK I am more worried about the one I am forced to pay for than the ones I, and most of the country, don't watch.
Good to see from this thread that many are seeing through the distraction tactics.
JagLover said:
Perhaps you can enlighten us of the essential UK interest bound up in Crimea, which was Russian until 1954 when it was handed over to the Ukraine when they were both part of the USSR.
As for biased news outlets in the UK I am more worried about the one I am forced to pay for than the ones I, and most of the country, don't watch.
Good to see from this thread that many are seeing through the distraction tactics.
Nothing to do with essential UK interests, just things like the Budapest Memorandum.As for biased news outlets in the UK I am more worried about the one I am forced to pay for than the ones I, and most of the country, don't watch.
Good to see from this thread that many are seeing through the distraction tactics.
JagLover said:
Perhaps you can enlighten us of the essential UK interest bound up in Crimea, which was Russian until 1954 when it was handed over to the Ukraine when they were both part of the USSR.
Russia made huge mistake for not getting it back in 1991, if they did it back then noone would give a flying fck however they didn't pay attention thinking Ukraine will never become west-leaning country.Very expensive mistake for them.
Halb said:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42834662
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42834662
RussianDefenceMinister said:
He accused Mr Williamson of trying to scare the British public in an effort to get more money for the armed forces.
Those dastardly Russians aren't spreading fake news again are they. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42834662
We are looking like idiots. The whole thing makes me cringe. What has this country become?
We are looking like idiots. The whole thing makes me cringe. What has this country become?
I'm sure he wouldn't have just blurted this out without having been previously briefed by our intelligence services that the Russians are probing for ways to disable a potential enemies capabilities. In fact I'd be more surprised if they weren't - they're up to everything else.
Whether he should be putting it out there is another matter.
I'm sure the Americans have surveyed the Russian supply network for key target status. It's all part of knowing your enemy.
Whether he should be putting it out there is another matter.
I'm sure the Americans have surveyed the Russian supply network for key target status. It's all part of knowing your enemy.
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