War with Russia
Discussion
storminnorman said:
I welcome your perspective on events, especially if you're on the ground in Ukraine.
Yep. We all gonna die!!!11 
But again, being here only adds a perspective that the russians are b
ds and ukrainians are the suffering people. Their (Ukrainian) simple thing is (or rather was) that they, eventually declining russian (power, or else - make of that what you will) would eventually join the EU. And what EU officials now do is saying "look, we hadn't had any agreement on that grounds with you". So they're left alone. So please sir, if you want to reject 1939 analogy, how about Sudetes? Not all of the Russians support Putin, and not all of the Ukrainians support Maidan. What do we make of it, in terms of history? I suppose nothing
davepoth said:
Any country that sees any positive in an offensive war is extremely dangerous. That it's a nation so big and powerful as the USA is mildly terrifying.
EFA. 
As I understand it the Ukraine have "mobilised" their reserves, with the regular army "on standby".
Ooh, I bet the Kremlin are shaking in their Valenki's!
GTIR said:
davepoth said:
Any country that sees any positive in an offensive war is extremely dangerous. That it's a nation so big and powerful as the USA is mildly terrifying.
EFA. 
I wasn't thinking about the government though - in Russia, it seems that the majority of the population are still in favour of rolling tanks onto the lawns of their neighbours. That's not common in the west any more, despite what happens at government level.
Veeayt said:
Look. I'm here, in the Ukraine, working for US NBC, a Kazakh by passport, nobody by any means. I don't mean you're completely wrong, not even close to that, but here's my poor perspective. Some wise sage said that Russia's appetite for expansion will never end, and I see it right here. What I wanted to say is that no matter who's going to win this , it's better to be prepared for all the others. With all respect, you are definitely wrong about the individual power of Putin - the Russians may not believe in him, but they do believe that Russia has been established as a Third Rome - to divide and conquer, and they do believe that Ukraine is in their hands. Heard anything about propaganda? And one can find it in any random Russian even before it gets to football and women. Something you Brits have felt not that long ago.
Remember, USSR was in much, much worse economical state than now in the beginning of WW2, and what they got from it is another 30 years of prosperity.
What I say is that as long as European politicians remain tolerant (they do not understand russian politics at all), they giving a birth to a new fuhrer.
If this is a genuine post - then it is what I think.Remember, USSR was in much, much worse economical state than now in the beginning of WW2, and what they got from it is another 30 years of prosperity.
What I say is that as long as European politicians remain tolerant (they do not understand russian politics at all), they giving a birth to a new fuhrer.
No one in the West understands Putin's view, no one here that hasn't been to Russia understands the Russian view - how many here have been to Russia? 1,2,3,42 of us? Any of you had an exchange with the Russian military police?
Now, surely the
Veeayt said:
(they do not understand russian politics at all), they giving a birth to a new fuhrer.
I'm pretty sure that no one want's to see another fuhrer, but it has happened once before, and I'm pretty sure 90% of the readers on this site do not understand Russian Politics - but that is why we have the likes of Cameron to help protect us....davepoth said:
GTIR said:
davepoth said:
Any country that sees any positive in an offensive war is extremely dangerous. That it's a nation so big and powerful as the USA is mildly terrifying.
EFA. I wasn't thinking about the government though - in Russia, it seems that the majority of the population are still in favour of rolling tanks onto the lawns of their neighbours. That's not common in the west any more, despite what happens at government level.
From Russian media reports?
The Russian people have to say that.
Personally I've always liked the crazy bloody Russian b
ds. Asterix said:
GTIR said:
Asterix said:
GTIR said:
Ooh, I bet the Kremlin are shaking in their Valenki's!
Nope - went past the Vulgari shop in Mall of the Emirates earlier and they're still spending money.Stupid boy.
GTIR said:
davepoth said:
GTIR said:
davepoth said:
Any country that sees any positive in an offensive war is extremely dangerous. That it's a nation so big and powerful as the USA is mildly terrifying.
EFA. I wasn't thinking about the government though - in Russia, it seems that the majority of the population are still in favour of rolling tanks onto the lawns of their neighbours. That's not common in the west any more, despite what happens at government level.
From Russian media reports?
The Russian people have to say that.
Personally I've always liked the crazy bloody Russian b
ds. GTIR said:
Asterix said:
GTIR said:
Asterix said:
GTIR said:
Ooh, I bet the Kremlin are shaking in their Valenki's!
Nope - went past the Vulgari shop in Mall of the Emirates earlier and they're still spending money.Stupid boy.
Ozzie Osmond said:
98elise said:
Proximity to a piece of land doesn't determine who owns it.
Unless your name is China and the piece of land is Hong Kong.P.S. I am NOT agreeing with you, especially when it comes to your views on the Falklands.
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