Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"

[Timmy40]

jshell said:

Vaud said:

jshell said:

Marin life will have stripped the bones completely clean by now.

Maybe. Depends how deep it is, surely? Is there much life at 15,000 feet below sea (for example) that could do this?

Tiny shrimp, polychaetes, spoonworms, fangtooth etc. It'll have been an absolute banquet down there.

Not so sure, with the Air France 447 that ended up in deep water off Brazil when they finally got an SV down to it months later the bodies of passengers were described as being like wax works, too delicate to move, but preserved in the cold deep water and not scavanged by marine life.

[jshell]

Timmy40 said:

jshell said:

Vaud said:

jshell said:

Marin life will have stripped the bones completely clean by now.

Maybe. Depends how deep it is, surely? Is there much life at 15,000 feet below sea (for example) that could do this?

Tiny shrimp, polychaetes, spoonworms, fangtooth etc. It'll have been an absolute banquet down there.

Not so sure, with the Air France 447 that ended up in deep water off Brazil when they finally got an SV down to it months later the bodies of passengers were described as being like wax works, too delicate to move, but preserved in the cold deep water and not scavanged by marine life.

Very interesting, thanks. My post was based on a chat with a pathologist who had worked with recovered victims of a deepwater crash. They were wearing survival suits and he said that the exposed areas had been cleaned to a surgical level with no flesh or organs remaining.

[Timmy40]

jshell said:

Timmy40 said:

jshell said:

Vaud said:

jshell said:

Marin life will have stripped the bones completely clean by now.

Maybe. Depends how deep it is, surely? Is there much life at 15,000 feet below sea (for example) that could do this?

Tiny shrimp, polychaetes, spoonworms, fangtooth etc. It'll have been an absolute banquet down there.

Not so sure, with the Air France 447 that ended up in deep water off Brazil when they finally got an SV down to it months later the bodies of passengers were described as being like wax works, too delicate to move, but preserved in the cold deep water and not scavanged by marine life.

Very interesting, thanks. My post was based on a chat with a pathologist who had worked with recovered victims of a deepwater crash. They were wearing survival suits and he said that the exposed areas had been cleaned to a surgical level with no flesh or organs remaining.

It probably comes down to deep Ocean currents, where 447 crashed the deep water is very cold, even though it's just off Brazil. If MH370 came down somehere in the Southern Ocean would there be cold water currents flowing out from the Antartic?

[jshell]

Timmy40 said:

It probably comes down to deep Ocean currents, where 447 crashed the deep water is very cold, even though it's just off Brazil. If MH370 came down somehere in the Southern Ocean would there be cold water currents flowing out from the Antartic?

Can be difficult to predict. The Ocean conveyors can and do change. Almost everywhere I've been, the seafloor is around 4degC from 65 DegN down to the equator. Then I come to Norway and parts are sub-zero!

[anonymous-user]

jshell said:

Timmy40 said:

jshell said:

Vaud said:

jshell said:

Marin life will have stripped the bones completely clean by now.

Maybe. Depends how deep it is, surely? Is there much life at 15,000 feet below sea (for example) that could do this?

Tiny shrimp, polychaetes, spoonworms, fangtooth etc. It'll have been an absolute banquet down there.

Not so sure, with the Air France 447 that ended up in deep water off Brazil when they finally got an SV down to it months later the bodies of passengers were described as being like wax works, too delicate to move, but preserved in the cold deep water and not scavanged by marine life.

Very interesting, thanks. My post was based on a chat with a pathologist who had worked with recovered victims of a deepwater crash. They were wearing survival suits and he said that the exposed areas had been cleaned to a surgical level with no flesh or organs remaining.

How is that interesting. It's bordering upon being ghoulish! & had naff all to do with finding the plane (if indeed it crashed in the Ocean!)

[jshell]

Jimboka said:

jshell said:

Timmy40 said:

jshell said:

Vaud said:

jshell said:

Marin life will have stripped the bones completely clean by now.

Maybe. Depends how deep it is, surely? Is there much life at 15,000 feet below sea (for example) that could do this?

Tiny shrimp, polychaetes, spoonworms, fangtooth etc. It'll have been an absolute banquet down there.

Not so sure, with the Air France 447 that ended up in deep water off Brazil when they finally got an SV down to it months later the bodies of passengers were described as being like wax works, too delicate to move, but preserved in the cold deep water and not scavanged by marine life.

Very interesting, thanks. My post was based on a chat with a pathologist who had worked with recovered victims of a deepwater crash. They were wearing survival suits and he said that the exposed areas had been cleaned to a surgical level with no flesh or organs remaining.

How is that interesting. It's bordering upon being ghoulish! & had naff all to do with finding the plane (if indeed it crashed in the Ocean!)

I think it's pretty sure it crashed in the ocean, to be honest. Having known people die in aircraft accidents, some of the divers that did the body recoveries - either whole or in small pieces - and the team of guys that managed at least one of the ops, then I can't help but find it 'interesting'.

[crankedup]

jshell said:

Jimboka said:

jshell said:

Timmy40 said:

jshell said:

Vaud said:

jshell said:

Marin life will have stripped the bones completely clean by now.

Maybe. Depends how deep it is, surely? Is there much life at 15,000 feet below sea (for example) that could do this?

Tiny shrimp, polychaetes, spoonworms, fangtooth etc. It'll have been an absolute banquet down there.

Not so sure, with the Air France 447 that ended up in deep water off Brazil when they finally got an SV down to it months later the bodies of passengers were described as being like wax works, too delicate to move, but preserved in the cold deep water and not scavanged by marine life.

Very interesting, thanks. My post was based on a chat with a pathologist who had worked with recovered victims of a deepwater crash. They were wearing survival suits and he said that the exposed areas had been cleaned to a surgical level with no flesh or organs remaining.

How is that interesting. It's bordering upon being ghoulish! & had naff all to do with finding the plane (if indeed it crashed in the Ocean!)

I think it's pretty sure it crashed in the ocean, to be honest. Having known people die in aircraft accidents, some of the divers that did the body recoveries - either whole or in small pieces - and the team of guys that managed at least one of the ops, then I can't help but find it 'interesting'.

Interest = learning. Not a bad thing imo.

[Gretchen]

Even I think it's interesting. Forensic entomology can teach us many things. Including time of death and location, perhaps even the origin of the 'killer'. It's far from ghoulish.

[jshell]

On one I knew the only passenger survivor, later was friends with a diver who worked the job (and bent his mind) and up until recently worked with the management, both onshore and offshore of the vessel that did the recovery. Also whilst at Uni did a case-study on the actual failed components that caused the catastrophe. I fking hate helicopters.

[jshell]

The search isn't 'that' easy: http://subseaworldnews.com/2016/04/14/remora-iii-r...

There's a good reason that global subsurface mapping is very, very difficult, costly and time consuming!

[Vaud]

jshell said:

The search isn't 'that' easy: http://subseaworldnews.com/2016/04/14/remora-iii-r...

There's a good reason that global subsurface mapping is very, very difficult, costly and time consuming!

Shame that there isn't an appetite for a global fund to buy 100's of these and truly map the oceans, giving the data to all... wish Google would do it!:

[/url]http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/news/a20048/boeing-has-a-beast-of-a-submarine-ready-to-autonomously-patrol-the-ocean/[/url]

[jshell]

Vaud said:

Shame that there isn't an appetite for a global fund to buy 100's of these and truly map the oceans, giving the data to all... wish Google would do it!:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ship...

..just fixing link to read it... Cheers!

[jshell]

More debris confirmed as from the missing plane: http://subseaworldnews.com/2016/04/20/mozambique-d...

[Morningside]

More debris. Real shame they cannot pinpoint the location of the wreck.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36495617

[Welshbeef]

Morningside said:

More debris. Real shame they cannot pinpoint the location of the wreck.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36495617

Considering they have still not yet found the plane which crashed in a tiny location in the Med v the great expanse of the Indian southern ocean I'm very confident we will never know its point of impact with any certainty within any living persons lifetime (unless a freak bit of luck) instead it's simply a mathematical calculation based upon vectors and assumptions. I'm assuming there would likely be nothing left really now anyway

[Vaud]

Welshbeef said:

I'm assuming there would likely be nothing left really now anyway

Why do you assume that? Big stuff like engines aren't going to just disappear.

[Welshbeef]

Vaud said:

Welshbeef said:

I'm assuming there would likely be nothing left really now anyway

Why do you assume that? Big stuff like engines aren't going to just disappear.

Hey will rot away/get covered in silt of were blown up ?

Who knows

[Blaster72]

Welshbeef said:

Vaud said:

Welshbeef said:

I'm assuming there would likely be nothing left really now anyway

Why do you assume that? Big stuff like engines aren't going to just disappear.

Hey will rot away/get covered in silt of were blown up ?

Who knows

They won't rot away, at least not for a very, very long time. Distinct possibility they'll never be found though, I agree, if they're at the bottom of the sea they could well stay there lost forever.

[sparks_E39]

Vaud said:

Welshbeef said:

I'm assuming there would likely be nothing left really now anyway

Why do you assume that? Big stuff like engines aren't going to just disappear.

Doubtful any victims remains would be left though.

[Eric Mc]

Welshbeef said:

Hey will rot away/get covered in silt of were blown up ?

Who knows

Large, heavy pieces such as engines and undercarriage legs will survive quite a long time in the water. There are still quite recognisable aircraft wrecks from World War 2 sitting in lagoons. A couple of years ago, a rich businessman located and recovered from the Atlantic some of the F1 rocket engines that had powered the Apollo 11 Saturn V.