Malaysia Airlines Plane "Loses Contact"
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Popped up today and is a decent (and sensible!) read
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/...
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/...
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Popped up today and is a decent (and sensible!) read
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/...
Interestinghttps://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/...
How common is it for pilots to sleep with flight attendants?
or flight attendants to sleep with pilots?
saaby93 said:
Interesting
How common is it for pilots to sleep with flight attendants?
or flight attendants to sleep with pilots?
Very. How common is it for pilots to sleep with flight attendants?
or flight attendants to sleep with pilots?
Most of the pilots I know are either going out with flight attendants, married to flight attendants or having affairs with flight attendants or trying to do a combination of the above.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Popped up today and is a decent (and sensible!) read
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/...
Very good articlehttps://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/...
MartG said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Popped up today and is a decent (and sensible!) read
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/...
Very good articlehttps://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/...
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Popped up today and is a decent (and sensible!) read
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/...
I find it bizarre that they only use secondary radar. And even more bizarre that the Malaysian military did nothing.https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/...
Good article. I didn’t realise that numerous pieces of (highly fragmented) wreckage had been found washed up, and that satellite data was sufficient to show a steep high speed descent in its final moments.
Everything points to it essentially being a mass murder suicide. Albeit with a bizarrely elaborate execution, and lacking a clear motive.
Everything points to it essentially being a mass murder suicide. Albeit with a bizarrely elaborate execution, and lacking a clear motive.
dvs_dave said:
Good article. I didn’t realise that numerous pieces of (highly fragmented) wreckage had been found washed up, and that satellite data was sufficient to show a steep high speed descent in its final moments.
Everything points to it essentially being a mass murder suicide. Albeit with a bizarrely elaborate execution, and lacking a clear motive.
It’s a good article but it still makes quite a few leaps in its’ conclusions and there’s still a lot of guesswork going on. Everything points to it essentially being a mass murder suicide. Albeit with a bizarrely elaborate execution, and lacking a clear motive.
El stovey said:
dvs_dave said:
Good article. I didn’t realise that numerous pieces of (highly fragmented) wreckage had been found washed up, and that satellite data was sufficient to show a steep high speed descent in its final moments.
Everything points to it essentially being a mass murder suicide. Albeit with a bizarrely elaborate execution, and lacking a clear motive.
It’s a good article but it still makes quite a few leaps in its’ conclusions and there’s still a lot of guesswork going on. Everything points to it essentially being a mass murder suicide. Albeit with a bizarrely elaborate execution, and lacking a clear motive.
dvs_dave said:
El stovey said:
dvs_dave said:
Good article. I didn’t realise that numerous pieces of (highly fragmented) wreckage had been found washed up, and that satellite data was sufficient to show a steep high speed descent in its final moments.
Everything points to it essentially being a mass murder suicide. Albeit with a bizarrely elaborate execution, and lacking a clear motive.
It’s a good article but it still makes quite a few leaps in its’ conclusions and there’s still a lot of guesswork going on. Everything points to it essentially being a mass murder suicide. Albeit with a bizarrely elaborate execution, and lacking a clear motive.
It’s a good summary of the known facts but it lets itself down when it moves onto trying to create motive and explain the elaborate nature of the apparent murder suicide.
I can see lots of inaccuracies regarding pilots, airlines particularly MAS and operating the B777, it then makes me think these extend into the other comments about the Malaysians, their air defence and the amounts of wreckage found.
The author also unequivocally discounted the possibility of a technical issue. I was at a meeting a few years ago with B777 operators and pilots and B777 engineers and numerous scenarios were suggested that could have led to this happening.
Obviously murder suicide looks most likely (and seems most likely to me) but the article is making it look most likely by using inaccuracies as evidence.
El stovey said:
The author also unequivocally discounted the possibility of a technical issue. I was at a meeting a few years ago with B777 operators and pilots and B777 engineers and numerous scenarios were suggested that could have led to this happening.
Can you elaborate on this? What possible technical issues could result in an aircraft unintentionally and unrecoverably following the sequence of events that we know MH370 did? The captain did practise flying off into the middle of the ocean and running out of fuel scenario on his home flight sim setup.
That clinches (Murder suicide) for me really as it seems to match well with the known facts.
"Forensic examinations of Zaharie’s simulator by the FBI revealed that he experimented with a flight profile roughly matching that of MH370—a flight north around Indonesia followed by a long run to the south, ending in fuel exhaustion over the Indian Ocean. Malaysian investigators dismissed this flight profile as merely one of several hundred that the simulator had recorded. That is true, as far as it goes, which is not far enough. Victor Iannello, an engineer and entrepreneur in Roanoke, Virginia, who has become another prominent member of the Independent Group and has done extensive analysis of the simulated flight, underscores what the Malaysian investigators ignored.
Of all the profiles extracted from the simulator, the one that matched MH370’s path was the only one that Zaharie did not run as a continuous flight—in other words, taking off on the simulator and letting the flight play out, hour after hour, until it reached the destination airport. Instead he advanced the flight manually in multiple stages, repeatedly jumping the flight forward and subtracting the fuel as necessary until it was gone. Iannello believes that Zaharie was responsible for the diversion. Given that there was nothing technical that Zaharie could have learned by rehearsing the act on a gamelike Microsoft consumer product, Iannello suspects that the purpose of the simulator flight may have been to leave a bread-crumb trail to say goodbye. Referring to the flight profile that MH370 would follow, Iannello said of Zaharie, “It’s as if he was simulating a simulation.” Without a note of explanation, Zaharie’s reasoning is impossible to know. But the simulator flight cannot easily be dismissed as a random coincidence."
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/mh370-pilot...
That clinches (Murder suicide) for me really as it seems to match well with the known facts.
"Forensic examinations of Zaharie’s simulator by the FBI revealed that he experimented with a flight profile roughly matching that of MH370—a flight north around Indonesia followed by a long run to the south, ending in fuel exhaustion over the Indian Ocean. Malaysian investigators dismissed this flight profile as merely one of several hundred that the simulator had recorded. That is true, as far as it goes, which is not far enough. Victor Iannello, an engineer and entrepreneur in Roanoke, Virginia, who has become another prominent member of the Independent Group and has done extensive analysis of the simulated flight, underscores what the Malaysian investigators ignored.
Of all the profiles extracted from the simulator, the one that matched MH370’s path was the only one that Zaharie did not run as a continuous flight—in other words, taking off on the simulator and letting the flight play out, hour after hour, until it reached the destination airport. Instead he advanced the flight manually in multiple stages, repeatedly jumping the flight forward and subtracting the fuel as necessary until it was gone. Iannello believes that Zaharie was responsible for the diversion. Given that there was nothing technical that Zaharie could have learned by rehearsing the act on a gamelike Microsoft consumer product, Iannello suspects that the purpose of the simulator flight may have been to leave a bread-crumb trail to say goodbye. Referring to the flight profile that MH370 would follow, Iannello said of Zaharie, “It’s as if he was simulating a simulation.” Without a note of explanation, Zaharie’s reasoning is impossible to know. But the simulator flight cannot easily be dismissed as a random coincidence."
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/mh370-pilot...
El stovey said:
dvs_dave said:
El stovey said:
dvs_dave said:
Good article. I didn’t realise that numerous pieces of (highly fragmented) wreckage had been found washed up, and that satellite data was sufficient to show a steep high speed descent in its final moments.
Everything points to it essentially being a mass murder suicide. Albeit with a bizarrely elaborate execution, and lacking a clear motive.
It’s a good article but it still makes quite a few leaps in its’ conclusions and there’s still a lot of guesswork going on. Everything points to it essentially being a mass murder suicide. Albeit with a bizarrely elaborate execution, and lacking a clear motive.
It’s a good summary of the known facts but it lets itself down when it moves onto trying to create motive and explain the elaborate nature of the apparent murder suicide.
I can see lots of inaccuracies regarding pilots, airlines particularly MAS and operating the B777, it then makes me think these extend into the other comments about the Malaysians, their air defence and the amounts of wreckage found.
The author also unequivocally discounted the possibility of a technical issue. I was at a meeting a few years ago with B777 operators and pilots and B777 engineers and numerous scenarios were suggested that could have led to this happening.
Obviously murder suicide looks most likely (and seems most likely to me) but the article is making it look most likely by using inaccuracies as evidence.
eldar said:
Has there been any update in the past year or so, credible update, that is.
Ive seen the odd reference to some odd theories, but nothing particularly believeable.
Have i missed some news?
It’s amazing it’s been over 6 years ago, and not a scrap of recent debris found.Ive seen the odd reference to some odd theories, but nothing particularly believeable.
Have i missed some news?
I still think there is a massive cover up on this from the Malaysian government.
I think I also read that Malaysia Air were not going to survive the downturn due to Covid, and the government won’t bail them out either!
Tragic and sad altogether.
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