Peaches Geldof found dead.
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tenpenceshort said:
I would prefer to live in a world where my children find it hard to get heroin and it is socially unacceptable to do so.
We already live in that world, but comments and attitudes such as this:tenpenceshort said:
She may have had money and some amount of fame, but neither of those things gives you a better chance of avoiding mental illness or addiction.
Mean that these behavioural traits are accepted and sympathised with. Chris
Not sure why the legalisation of drugs matters a jot in the case of Peaches.
However she got the drugs she chose to shoot up whilst having a babe in arms in her care.
She didn't appear to take any care of how much she took.
She died and put her baby's life at severe risk.
That she chose to shoot up whilst looking after her own baby tells you volumes about the kind of mother she was.
Having seen near identical cases like this as a Paramedic at both the rich-b
h and poor-skank levels I don't think I've missed any salient points out, have I?
However she got the drugs she chose to shoot up whilst having a babe in arms in her care.
She didn't appear to take any care of how much she took.
She died and put her baby's life at severe risk.
That she chose to shoot up whilst looking after her own baby tells you volumes about the kind of mother she was.
Having seen near identical cases like this as a Paramedic at both the rich-b
h and poor-skank levels I don't think I've missed any salient points out, have I?E24man said:
Not sure why the legalisation of drugs matters a jot in the case of Peaches.
However she got the drugs she chose to shoot up whilst having a babe in arms in her care.
She didn't appear to take any care of how much she took.
She died and put her baby's life at severe risk.
That she chose to shoot up whilst looking after her own baby tells you volumes about the kind of mother she was.
Having seen near identical cases like this as a Paramedic at both the rich-bh and poor-skank levels I don't think I've missed any salient points out, have I?
Unfortunately that's the bit that is the least pleasantHowever she got the drugs she chose to shoot up whilst having a babe in arms in her care.
She didn't appear to take any care of how much she took.
She died and put her baby's life at severe risk.
That she chose to shoot up whilst looking after her own baby tells you volumes about the kind of mother she was.
Having seen near identical cases like this as a Paramedic at both the rich-b
h and poor-skank levels I don't think I've missed any salient points out, have I?And you know, just know that the child will forever be linked to that as in " Miss X (wjhose Mother Peaches Geldof overdosed whilst she was with her ....etc)
Peaches showed zilch respect in that department.
E24man said:
Not sure why the legalisation of drugs matters a jot in the case of Peaches.
It's relevant given it has been reported that the smack she had was extremely strong by street standards; if it was an accidental OD then having BP-grade diamorphine available would greatly reduce the hazard presented by the variability in strength of street drugs.hidetheelephants said:
E24man said:
Not sure why the legalisation of drugs matters a jot in the case of Peaches.
It's relevant given it has been reported that the smack she had was extremely strong by street standards; if it was an accidental OD then having BP-grade diamorphine available would greatly reduce the hazard presented by the variability in strength of street drugs.Ms Geldof was a drug addict. Spend any time at all around drug addicts and you realise they do not make rational and reasoned choices. Choices such as how strong a hit to take and make, and choices such as to whether to take drugs when you are in sole charge of your own 11 month old baby.
Having a 'BP-grade' diamorphine available to her would not have made Peaches Geldof any more or less rational or reasoned. She will still have wanted a hit, she would still want a bigger hit, and she would still want to take drugs when looking after her baby.
The issue with a BP-grade diamorphine is that for some drug addicts it will be quite strong, for some it will be just right, and for some it won't be anywhere near enough........ A bit like, well, heroin from the street. One thing that heroin does tend to do is make you want that little bit more, that slightly bigger and longer hit, and to want to do it more and more often.
Having access to legal diamorphine will just make the drug a lifestyle option to potentially thousands more people who don't presently take it due to it being illegal. Having diamorphine legally won't suddenly change the effect it has on people, either physically or psychologically; they will still start to become irrational drug addicts unless they are strong willed enough not to.
Having access to drugs legally could suddenly open the choice of whether to take it to not to thousands upon thousands of weak-willed people people who would in all probability become addicts in a short space of time and all the do-good liberals in the world would soon have many, many young men and ladies dying whilst they look after their children.
Trying to desparately draw a comparison between alcohol and cigarettes and diamorphine is ridiculous because it misses out the one very major difference between the three drugs ; in the vast majority of cases alcohol and nicotine can be safely self administered without immediate risk to life from one single occasion of taking them. The same cannot be said for diamorphine.
You may want to say that many, many addicts have taken heroin for years without dying, but again that misses the point. The point is that nearly every adult on the planet has tried alcohol and nicotine and in a huge majority of circumstances not become an addict or died from taking either of them on a single occasion. The same cannot be said for heroin and to think otherwise is delusional.
Diamorphine is an incredibly strong drug and should not be self-administered for making a mistake in its application could kill you in one go. Diamorphine is an incredibly strong drug that can make the very strongest willed person an addict if it has the chance.
Those two statements cannot truely be said of alcohol and nicotine.
E24man said:
Having seen near identical cases like this as a Paramedic at both the rich-bh and poor-skank levels I don't think I've missed any salient points out, have I?
I think you've missed the part about her potentially being seriously, seriously ill to do what you have described - most people seem to have done the same.h and poor-skank levels I don't think I've missed any salient points out, have I?BJG1 said:
E24man said:
Having seen near identical cases like this as a Paramedic at both the rich-bh and poor-skank levels I don't think I've missed any salient points out, have I?
I think you've missed the part about her potentially being seriously, seriously ill to do what you have described - most people seem to have done the same.h and poor-skank levels I don't think I've missed any salient points out, have I?saaby93 said:
Is anyone here addicted to PH?
Tried to give it up, suffered withdrawal symptoms and cant let go?
Or in the beginning why would I want to get involved in that, oh let's give it a go?
Gradually it begins to take over your life.
I know someone that used PH just the once and they died!!!!Tried to give it up, suffered withdrawal symptoms and cant let go?
Or in the beginning why would I want to get involved in that, oh let's give it a go?
Gradually it begins to take over your life.
rich83 said:
Selfish idiot. She was a disgrace of a parent.
I would not have put it so bluntly however yes she was the one who chose to bring children into the world despite being a drug addict. I have no problem with adults choosing to take class a drugs (as long as they don't steal to fund their habit) but when children are involved it's a different story.I can't believe she had the cheek to go on daytime telly and partake in debates about parenting - wtf!
Nonetheless a sad story all round.
rich83 said:
Exactly. Hypocrisy of the highest order.
No, going on state television and condemning genocide whilst committing it yourself is the highest order. That was quite low level, but don't let hyperbole get in your way.Whatever life decisions she made, it is ultimately very sad for any child to predecease a parent.
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