Teacher Stabbed to Death

[Justin Cyder]

What this case will come down to is some kid who's just not quite right. I suspect you can debate Morals, abrogation of religious dictates, video games, Ed Miliband & Katie Price until you're blue in the face, but in the end, it will turn out that this boy is one of those one in a hundred thousand who is simply a bit fked in the head, over the far end of the psychopathic scale & it will be that simple.

Some people just aren't wired up right, most of them manage to keep or have others to keep a lid on the worst excesses of their characters, once in a while, one goes off & we see an end result like this. Sad, but nonetheless, a fact of life.

[IrateNinja]

fido said:

Whenever these sort of incidents happen, the usual platitudes get handed out "he was a good kid etc." but in these aetheist times I wonder if people have forgotten what a 'good person' is? I don't think ignoring someone who says "Hello" to you is good. Or minding your own business - is it okay to walk past someone who needs your help? Just passing exams or turning up for school does not make you a good person. A good person does not stab a 61 year old teacher to death.

I think you're right here, this is definitely the fault of the aethiests.

[fido]

IrateNinja said:

I think you're right here, this is definitely the fault of the aethiests.

Well with a login name like that I'm not going to argue with you.

[markiii]

TheSnitch said:

MonkeyBusiness said:

markiii said:

hmm so according to that article, he had no friends, didn't socialise, parents didn't socialise and liked music and computer games
sounds just like me at that age, not really sure why thats to blame.what's this obsession with everyone needing to be an extrovert these days

Don't forget he had long hair and liked heavy metal music.

I can tell you that there were no signs that this lad was the type to attack a teacher. He was your normal student.
The school certainly has its fair share of difficult students. He wasn't one of them.

I don't think it's that unusual that where crimes like this occur the kid responsible is described as a loner or 'a bit strange'. I think it's clear that a mental illness may make them appear lonely and withdrawn; that is not to say that every lonely and withdrawn kid is a spree killer just waiting to happen.

being introverted doesn't make you lonely and withdrawn

[WCZ]

fido said:

Whenever these sort of incidents happen, the usual platitudes get handed out "he was a good kid etc."

I'm in no way saying I know anything about this child but I do have a relevant anecdote. A person I knew at college was murdered in a case of mistaken identity and the press was full of 'he was a loving caring person' etc when in actual fact he was the biggest prick I've ever known and used to go out on nights out and start unprovoked fights on people inc smashing glass bottles on their heads. (I asked him once why he he did it and he replied 'it gives me a buzz')

[TheSnitch]

markiii said:

TheSnitch said:

MonkeyBusiness said:

markiii said:

hmm so according to that article, he had no friends, didn't socialise, parents didn't socialise and liked music and computer games
sounds just like me at that age, not really sure why thats to blame.what's this obsession with everyone needing to be an extrovert these days

Don't forget he had long hair and liked heavy metal music.

I can tell you that there were no signs that this lad was the type to attack a teacher. He was your normal student.
The school certainly has its fair share of difficult students. He wasn't one of them.

I don't think it's that unusual that where crimes like this occur the kid responsible is described as a loner or 'a bit strange'. I think it's clear that a mental illness may make them appear lonely and withdrawn; that is not to say that every lonely and withdrawn kid is a spree killer just waiting to happen.

being introverted doesn't make you lonely and withdrawn

Indeed.
I did not, however, refer to anyone being introverted, so your reply seems a bit of a non sequitur

[TheSnitch]

Hoofy said:

TheSnitch said:

Hoofy said:

I must be on some kind of list, then. I've played violent games for the last 30 years. Ok, so Commando doesn't cut it but there's nothing like sneaking up on someone lying prone on BF3, flipping them over and sticking a knife in their chest. http://youtu.be/F5wAH_Gz77E?t=7m28s

You don't think this is a bit inappropriate? I'm sure your prowess on your game of choice is legend, but in the real world there is a woman who appears to have been a very decent and inspirational person with her life cut tragically short, and I don't find that a subject for humour.

Well, it's more about the debate on whether violent games are at fault than me trying to make fun of the situation.

Well, as the thread is about the teacher who was stabbed to death, perhaps you could spare us the laughing smilies

[WCZ]

TheSnitch said:

Well, as the thread is about the teacher who was stabbed to death, perhaps you could spare us the laughing smilies

is anyone here genuinely offended at that?

[s3fella]

Boris Morris said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10794...

It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.

Poor kid, never stood a chance.

Others may see it that he had been given every chance, opportunities to be educated in the same environment as all the others, no doubt opportunities to engage in extra curricular activities through school, and maybe he chose not to? If he was well educated and 'introverted' perhaps he chose to be that way, perhaps he'd spurned every opportunity people at given him to be 'included' and if so, that's his choice.
I'd suggest his 'chances' of making good on life were a damned sight better 48 hours ago before he stabbed his Spanish teacher to death. I'd suggest he's pretty well fked them up now, and he must carry the can for that one, no one else.

As for your 'broken family' comment, do you know how many kids have divorced parents and compare that to the number of murders committed by them? Maybe this kid had PLENTY of chance, same as all the other kids from 'broken families' who don't stab their teachers to death.

I do understand your sentiment, but it's far too simplistic a view IMO. And he's 15, ok a kid in law, but if he is educated he should know right from wrong by that age.
I too suspect there may be some mental illness at play here, and it may transpire his is not responsible for his actions on that basis. But whilst a contributory factor maybe, being an 'introvert from a broken home' is not in itself reason to suffer from mental illness or to take the actions he appears to have taken.

My sincere condolences to the family and loved ones of Mrs M.

[Halb]

Crash Bandicoot possibly to blame?

[MajorProblem]

He was also a drug user - reports in the mail saying he took some paracetamol before a party.

[scenario8]

An aspirin footballer then, perhaps?

[Apologies, I appreciate it's still far too early for silliness]

[98elise]

fido said:

Whenever these sort of incidents happen, the usual platitudes get handed out "he was a good kid etc." but in these aetheist times I wonder if people have forgotten what a 'good person' is. I don't think ignoring someone who says "Hello" to you is good. Or minding your own business - is it okay to walk past someone who needs your help? Just passing exams or turning up for school does not make you a good person. A good person does not stab a 61 year old teacher to death.

"athiest times"????

I don't recall the last time someone was murdered in the name of athiesm. Any particular reason why you think an atheist can't be a good person.

I'd rather leave my kids alone with an atheist than a catholic priest.

[Engineer1]

98elise said:

"athiest times"????

I don't recall the last time someone was murdered in the name of athiesm. Any particular reason why you think an atheist can't be a good person.

I'd rather leave my kids alone with an atheist than a catholic priest.

Firstly atheism doesn't have a well oiled machine that moves dodgy preists away from their victims.
Secondly if you need a seriously dubious moral code from the bible which needs cherry picking through to avoid a life in prison that would occur if you followed it all to the letter.
Thirdly if all that is keeping you from murder is the threat of hell I'd rather not be anywhere near you.

[dave_s13]

s3fella said:

Others may see it that he had been given every chance, opportunities to be educated in the same environment as all the others, no doubt opportunities to engage in extra curricular activities through school, and maybe he chose not to? If he was well educated and 'introverted' perhaps he chose to be that way, perhaps he'd spurned every opportunity people at given him to be 'included' and if so, that's his choice.
I'd suggest his 'chances' of making good on life were a damned sight better 48 hours ago before he stabbed his Spanish teacher to death. I'd suggest he's pretty well fked them up now, and he must carry the can for that one, no one else.

As for your 'broken family' comment, do you know how many kids have divorced parents and compare that to the number of murders committed by them? Maybe this kid had PLENTY of chance, same as all the other kids from 'broken families' who don't stab their teachers to death.

I do understand your sentiment, but it's far too simplistic a view IMO. And he's 15, ok a kid in law, but if he is educated he should know right from wrong by that age.
I too suspect there may be some mental illness at play here, and it may transpire his is not responsible for his actions on that basis. But whilst a contributory factor maybe, being an 'introvert from a broken home' is not in itself reason to suffer from mental illness or to take the actions he appears to have taken.

My sincere condolences to the family and loved ones of Mrs M.

I'd suggest he is a complete waste of skin and the world wouldn't miss him in the slightest.

I'd fully support him being terminated.

To add, I went to a Catholic high school in Leeds and come from a 'broken home', that actually broke down about age 14. I gave the teachers some stick but didn't kill any of them.

Edited by dave_s13 on Tuesday 29th April 20:19

[B17NNS]

98elise said:

"athiest times"????

I don't recall the last time someone was murdered in the name of athiesm. Any particular reason why you think an atheist can't be a good person.

I'd rather leave my kids alone with an atheist than a catholic priest.

Quite. Or a Muslim cleric.

Do you think atheists have no moral code fido? No sense of right or wrong?

[Ali G]

I find this very troubling.

I cannot imagine the horror and nightmares which those classmates who witnessed this grotesque murder have and will suffer.

This must have been a very troubled lad - whether or not a psychopath remains to be determined.

Although he has been described as an 'introvert' this provides no explanation, and certainly no excuse, but may provide some insight.

Above all, perhaps there may be some introspection carried out by all parties which may provide future guidance for all concerned.

[SuperDude]

dave_s13 said:

I'd suggest he is a complete waste of skin and the world wouldn't miss him in the slightest.

I'd fully support him being terminated.

For all my lefty Guardiany reasoning, I'd find it difficult to argue with this.

[ADM06]

Why is "introvert" being thrown around like it's an insult? "Extrovert" is really just a nicer way of saying someone is loud and borish.

[SuperDude]

ADM06 said:

Why is "introvert" being thrown around like it's an insult? "Extrovert" is really just a nicer way of saying someone is loud and borish.

Because extroverts think of introverts as shy, snotty and weird. Whilst introverts look at extroverts as loud, common and stupid.

Neither are particularly accurate.