Teacher Stabbed to Death

[B17NNS]

Killer2005 said:

Lots of rumours on Leeds based forums, the kid has been quoted as saying "I don't want to hurt you, I want to kill you".

From Sky news it sounds like its premeditated and he went to kill her.

RIP

Nasty business. A name is going around Twitter. If it's him his Facebook picture is grim viewing.

[10 Pence Short]

Munter said:

Indeed... I'm missing the point on how the way we treat kids now is intended NOT lead to them doing dumb stuff, so we should be surprised/horrified and all the other words people will use over the coming days. This has always been part of growing up, until we find another way of raising kids that's better. What's the big surprise?

Yet you look at the posts and none of it was "I wonder why he felt he had to do this?", it's instantly "Lock the fker up". Yet we (society), have created/have allowed him to be created. And now he's killed someone is when we decide to step in and declare instantly it's the kid at fault. Not us...

My own opinion, for what it's worth, is that we treat kids as 'young adults' all too readily. With adult treatment come adult pressures.

[BULLITT Rich]

This was my old High School, that teacher taught me Religious Education in my final year. I have to say, at the time I was there, a situation like this would never ever come about, I think it shows more about children's "power" in society (They know exactly what they can get away with!) rather than soft touch schools.

I didn't like school that much (who does at that age) and I was bullied a hell of a lot, but you know what, I got through it, like 99% of people do. Their were bullies, there were the hardnuts who you knew not to mess with but not one of them would ever have considered doing this to a teacher, there was still respect there. I didn't like or agree with a lot of things teachers did or said but you still did as you were told, regardless of how angry you were about it.

What's more upsetting about this situation is at 15 years old, this murderer will be treated and trialled as a child or young offender rather than an adult. There are NO excuses for killing someone like what's happened today and the arguments I'm reading here at any other time would be laughable, today they are just retarded at best. Kids today KNOW what they can get away with, they KNOW the consequences. This kid brought a knife into school with the intention of harming either another pupil or a teacher - whoever got on his wrong side, and people here are saying it's not his fault?! Don't kid yourself, he knew EXACTLY what he was doing.

[Jasandjules]

Munter said:

Consider how you would act if you were demonised by society because of your age and dress sense, ignored by your parent(s), forced to spend 5 hours a day locked up with people you can't stand for numerous reasons, whittering on about stuff you can't understand, being punished because you're not interested, and told you have no future anyway because A)You're a boy and boys are scum, only girls are mature enough to make something of themselves B) There is no future for you even if you pay attention and get good grades.

Eventually some of them will snap.

Edited by Munter on Monday 28th April 15:59

Isn't that called work?

[anonymous-user]

Perhaps this lad has no interest in gang culture, no desire to rebel, simply a schizophrenic mental illness, and then all this 'country's fked' starts to sound silly?

[Fittster]

Munter said:

Indeed... I'm missing the point on how the way we treat kids now is intended NOT lead to them doing dumb stuff, so we should be surprised/horrified and all the other words people will use over the coming days. This has always been part of growing up, until we find another way of raising kids that's better. What's the big surprise?

Yet you look at the posts and none of it was "I wonder why he felt he had to do this?", it's instantly "Lock the fker up". Yet we (society), have created/have allowed him to be created. And now he's killed someone is when we decide to step in and declare instantly it's the kid at fault. Not us...

It's our fault we have preserved with this individual in the education system. Allows schools to expel trouble makers and individuals who don't fancy an education will soon find themselves in a grave or a cell.

[Fittster]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

However still shouldn't have been in a classroom.

[hidetheelephants]

10 Pence Short said:

Munter said:

I think the bit in your post where you mention "it being common for teenagers to feel depressed about school, bullied or worthless" does tell us about society. We know that there will always be a few outliers. Todays events are one of those outliers I agree. But shouldn't we be accepting that if we have a system that routinely makes their lives depressing. A system that they are legally forced to be in. That the outliers will include a few more stabbings etc than it otherwise would?

I'll bet this kid has a history of trouble. But the system will have continued to try and force the kid to comply with it's wishes. Without any good alternatives...something has to give.

We have a one size fits all system that commonly makes people depressed. Lets keep it, and blame people forcibly put through it for it's failings? I'm ok with either changing to a better system, or keeping it and not worrying about the effects. But I'm not going to be shocked/surprised/horrified when it produces this kind of effect. I expect it.

Being a teenager is the bit that can be depressing. Hormones all over the place, peer pressure and so on. It's not a new phenomenon or something that's appeared in the past 40 years. Kids have always felt pressured and angsty. I don't think Romeo & Juliet was written in recent times...

+1 Childhood is about being given boundaries; it's usually a lack of imposed boundaries that causes problems like this.

[Shaolin]

Fittster said:

Munter said:

Indeed... I'm missing the point on how the way we treat kids now is intended NOT lead to them doing dumb stuff, so we should be surprised/horrified and all the other words people will use over the coming days. This has always been part of growing up, until we find another way of raising kids that's better. What's the big surprise?

Yet you look at the posts and none of it was "I wonder why he felt he had to do this?", it's instantly "Lock the fker up". Yet we (society), have created/have allowed him to be created. And now he's killed someone is when we decide to step in and declare instantly it's the kid at fault. Not us...

It's our fault we have preserved with this individual in the education system. Allows schools to expel trouble makers and individuals who don't fancy an education will soon find themselves in a grave or a cell.

There kids in mainstream education these days in all schools right through to 16 who in the past would never have come anywhere near a mainstream school.

That post about misunderstood teens is quite sickening really, he was a promising footballer too no doubt.

Edited by Shaolin on Monday 28th April 18:51

[shoestring7]

Jasandjules said:

Munter said:

Consider how you would act if you were demonised by society because of your age and dress sense, ignored by your parent(s), forced to spend 5 hours a day locked up with people you can't stand for numerous reasons, whittering on about stuff you can't understand, being punished because you're not interested, and told you have no future anyway because A)You're a boy and boys are scum, only girls are mature enough to make something of themselves B) There is no future for you even if you pay attention and get good grades.

Eventually some of them will snap.

Edited by Munter on Monday 28th April 15:59

Isn't that called work?

Five hours a day? Only if you're an MP.

SS7

[killingjoker]

Foppo said:

Fittster said:

killingjoker said:

This is absolutely awful. Why can we not bring back discipline and teach respect in schools anymore?
Until we do things will only get worse. It makes me fear for the world my young lad is growing into.

"Permanent exclusion

Permanent exclusion means your child is expelled. The local council must arrange full-time education from the 6th school day."

You can't kick kids out of the education system.

Educate him in prison for the rest of his live.

As a parent i am staggered at how things have changed since i went to school. It's down to bad (or no) parental guidence, and an educational system that now panders to bad behaviour.
Proper self respect and the respect of others, responsability for your actions, and being taught that you need to get out and earn your way in life should be ideals.
I've watched how things have changed since i was a lad, and until it's those ideals are taught from a young age then things will only get worse.

[McWigglebum4th]

But is he any good at football?

[Fittster]

killingjoker said:

As a parent i am staggered at how things have changed since i went to school. It's down to bad (or no) parental guidence, and an educational system that now panders to bad behaviour.

What do you mean by the 'educational system'? Schools have very few sticks they can use, Corporal punishment went decades ago and its very hard to remove a child from a school.

[Foppo]

I am a parent and grandparent two sons and a daughter.None of my kids are Angels but we have done our best to teach them right from wrong.

It takes some believing for a 15 year old to stab a teacher female 61 to death.

How many more schools are there when children are walking about with knives in their pocket? And in certain circumstances are willing to use it.The mind boggles.

[Fittster]

Pupil's are much better than they werem in 1997 12,300 were expelled by 2012 there were only 5,170.

[Ozzie Osmond]

10 Pence Short said:

My own opinion, for what it's worth, is that we treat kids as 'young adults' all too readily. With adult treatment come adult pressures.

My opinion is the exact opposite. I believe pretending young people are "children" until the age of 18 has exactly the wrong effect. IMO young people need to learn responsibility and you can't learn that unless you are given some.

I think it is wrong, for instance, that teens often can't drink until their 18th birthday yet the following day they can be out unsupervised and get completely ratted.

[turbobloke]

Ozzie Osmond said:

10 Pence Short said:

My own opinion, for what it's worth, is that we treat kids as 'young adults' all too readily. With adult treatment come adult pressures.

My opinion is the exact opposite. I believe pretending young people are "children" until the age of 18 has exactly the wrong effect. IMO young people need to learn responsibility and you can't learn that unless you are given some.

I think it is wrong, for instance, that teens often can't drink until their 18th birthday yet the following day they can be out unsupervised and get completely ratted.

Is that so? They can't buy but they can drink.

If a young adult is 16 or 17 and accompanied by an adult then they can drink (but not buy) beer, wine or cider with a meal.

Above the age of 5 children can be given alcoholic drinks at home within the law, but I suspect most parents will put the law to one side and wait a bit longer.

Gripe water for ratty babies once contained about 3% alcohol, not sure about the current position on that as some may have gone from ratty to ratted.

[TheSnitch]

Munter said:

Consider how you would act if you were demonised by society because of your age and dress sense, ignored by your parent(s), forced to spend 5 hours a day locked up with people you can't stand for numerous reasons, whittering on about stuff you can't understand, being punished because you're not interested, and told you have no future anyway because A)You're a boy and boys are scum, only girls are mature enough to make something of themselves B) There is no future for you even if you pay attention and get good grades.

Eventually some of them will snap.

Edited by Munter on Monday 28th April 15:59

Uh huh.

Hesiod 8th Century BC said:

"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint"

Edited by TheSnitch on Monday 28th April 18:31

[GALLARDOGUY]

McWigglebum4th said:

But is he any good at football?

Beat me to it.

[MonkeyBusiness]

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Edited by MonkeyBusiness on Monday 28th April 18:54