Teacher Stabbed to Death
Discussion
Munter said:
Consider how you would act if you were demonised by society because of your age and dress sense, ignored by your parent(s), forced to spend 5 hours a day locked up with people you can't stand for numerous reasons, whittering on about stuff you can't understand, being punished because you're not interested, and told you have no future anyway because A)You're a boy and boys are scum, only girls are mature enough to make something of themselves B) There is no future for you even if you pay attention and get good grades.
Eventually some of them will snap.
When people used to feel like that when I was at school they'd go truant, not go stabbing people to death. Eventually some of them will snap.
Edited by Munter on Monday 28th April 15:59
Fittster said:
Pupil's are much better than they werem in 1997 12,300 were expelled by 2012 there were only 5,170.
Perhaps because no one dares exclude them nowadays, it makes the school look bad and the parents always side with the child. My sister is a supply teacher, she has worked at schools in all areas good and bad, the bad schools really are a world apart from what they where even 15yrs ago.
Kids often threaten to shoot or stab teachers,
They use their phones to organise and terrorise the teacher,
They light up cigarettes in class at 13years old,
They know they are untouchable - at some schools my sister is issued a panic button to call either a security guard or police officer if a child has to be removed from class, they cannot touch the child because then the kids start accusations of assault or paedophilia and as said, the parents storm in and back the child to the hilt.
But hey, as long as you look good on the league tables.
I just read that the most recent figures show 550 pupils a year in England are 'permanently' excluded from school for physical attacks on adult staff.
However, this was a surprise - even to me, who usually is no longer surprised by anything today in this country.
There are police based in some Secondary schools.
However, this was a surprise - even to me, who usually is no longer surprised by anything today in this country.
There are police based in some Secondary schools.
ClassicMotorNut said:
Unless he's mentally ill, I can't see an excuse. I go about being pissed off with life on a more or less daily basis and constantly have to tolerate a hell of a lot of idiots whom I dislike intensely. I have never considered stabbing anyone, or killing them in any other way.
Quite, anyone who repeatedly stabs a defenceless "older" lady to death is seriously deranged, the murderer is as far from a normal teen, or any normal member of the general public as it is possible to be.Unless there were some obvious signs of his deranged state then there is little anyone could have done to stop what happened. Even if there were metal detectors or security guards, he simply had to wait for her to leave the school or follow her home and commit this atrocity.
There are lots of psychopaths in the world it's not possible to treat them all or remove them all from society. We can only hope the "system" stops him ever destroying another life again, as that is something society can and should do.
f
ked up.
My wife is a secondary school teacher in a "rough" inner city school in Leeds. Her view is that although this is utterly despicable and pretty bloody awful it needs to be put into the context of how many incident free teaching days have passed up to this point. It doesn't happen every day and I don't think you can blame the education system either. He would have likely flipped and done something similar at some other point in his life.
What a horrible thing for the other kids to witness too. People are killed in all sorts of creative ways all over the world every day but in the context of what is a safe teaching environment it's unthinkable. In this country anyway.
ked up.My wife is a secondary school teacher in a "rough" inner city school in Leeds. Her view is that although this is utterly despicable and pretty bloody awful it needs to be put into the context of how many incident free teaching days have passed up to this point. It doesn't happen every day and I don't think you can blame the education system either. He would have likely flipped and done something similar at some other point in his life.
What a horrible thing for the other kids to witness too. People are killed in all sorts of creative ways all over the world every day but in the context of what is a safe teaching environment it's unthinkable. In this country anyway.
dave_s13 said:
fked up.
My wife is a secondary school teacher in a "rough" inner city school in Leeds. Her view is that although this is utterly despicable and pretty bloody awful it needs to be put into the context of how many incident free teaching days have passed up to this point. It doesn't happen every day and I don't think you can blame the education system either. He would have likely flipped and done something similar at some other point in his life.
What a horrible thing for the other kids to witness too. People are killed in all sorts of creative ways all over the world every day but in the context of what is a safe teaching environment it's unthinkable. In this country anyway.
To an extend i'd echo this. Statistically it's a very, very low possibility although speaking as a teacher i think it pays to never, ever assume you're safe.ked up.My wife is a secondary school teacher in a "rough" inner city school in Leeds. Her view is that although this is utterly despicable and pretty bloody awful it needs to be put into the context of how many incident free teaching days have passed up to this point. It doesn't happen every day and I don't think you can blame the education system either. He would have likely flipped and done something similar at some other point in his life.
What a horrible thing for the other kids to witness too. People are killed in all sorts of creative ways all over the world every day but in the context of what is a safe teaching environment it's unthinkable. In this country anyway.
Story-
When I was at high school in the mid 90's there was a guy in my class called David. He was a bit of a weirdo tbh, very few friends, little ability to 'chat' with other kids and to top it off, he had long hair. Nothing wrong with long hair but back then he was one of only a couple in the school with long hair so stood out.
He was tormented by a lot of kids, just the run of the mill bullying that went on at high school. Nothing serious I must stress, never beat up or anything.
The thing that still makes me think back to that guy was the fact that some of the teachers were worse than the kids! I swear some of the teachers enjoyed picking on him.
Our English teacher really took it upon herself to give him a really hard time, just silly things like pick him up on his accent or how he'd word things. In all honesty, he was no different to any of the other kids in the class.
Anyway, he was at the front of the class doing a 'talk' on a subject he had chose (i remember clearly it was mushrooms and funghi). She took him apart, left him standing at the front of the class, with a lot of folk in the class just laughing at him, with nowhere to go.
I remember thinking that day (and still to this day) that I wouldn't have been surprised if he 'lost it' and attacked her,..It would've been ridiculous to think he would've tried to kill her, but the systematic bullying he suffered from teachers was enough to make me think he could easily 'snap'
I'm not saying that's the case here, but if am interested to find out what made a 15 yr old go to school to kill a teacher.
When I was at high school in the mid 90's there was a guy in my class called David. He was a bit of a weirdo tbh, very few friends, little ability to 'chat' with other kids and to top it off, he had long hair. Nothing wrong with long hair but back then he was one of only a couple in the school with long hair so stood out.
He was tormented by a lot of kids, just the run of the mill bullying that went on at high school. Nothing serious I must stress, never beat up or anything.
The thing that still makes me think back to that guy was the fact that some of the teachers were worse than the kids! I swear some of the teachers enjoyed picking on him.
Our English teacher really took it upon herself to give him a really hard time, just silly things like pick him up on his accent or how he'd word things. In all honesty, he was no different to any of the other kids in the class.
Anyway, he was at the front of the class doing a 'talk' on a subject he had chose (i remember clearly it was mushrooms and funghi). She took him apart, left him standing at the front of the class, with a lot of folk in the class just laughing at him, with nowhere to go.
I remember thinking that day (and still to this day) that I wouldn't have been surprised if he 'lost it' and attacked her,..It would've been ridiculous to think he would've tried to kill her, but the systematic bullying he suffered from teachers was enough to make me think he could easily 'snap'
I'm not saying that's the case here, but if am interested to find out what made a 15 yr old go to school to kill a teacher.
ikarl said:
Story-
When I was at high school in the mid 90's there was a guy in my class called David. He was a bit of a weirdo tbh, very few friends, little ability to 'chat' with other kids and to top it off, he had long hair. Nothing wrong with long hair but back then he was one of only a couple in the school with long hair so stood out.
He was tormented by a lot of kids, just the run of the mill bullying that went on at high school. Nothing serious I must stress, never beat up or anything.
The thing that still makes me think back to that guy was the fact that some of the teachers were worse than the kids! I swear some of the teachers enjoyed picking on him.
Our English teacher really took it upon herself to give him a really hard time, just silly things like pick him up on his accent or how he'd word things. In all honesty, he was no different to any of the other kids in the class.
Anyway, he was at the front of the class doing a 'talk' on a subject he had chose (i remember clearly it was mushrooms and funghi). She took him apart, left him standing at the front of the class, with a lot of folk in the class just laughing at him, with nowhere to go.
I remember thinking that day (and still to this day) that I wouldn't have been surprised if he 'lost it' and attacked her,..It would've been ridiculous to think he would've tried to kill her, but the systematic bullying he suffered from teachers was enough to make me think he could easily 'snap'
I'm not saying that's the case here, but if am interested to find out what made a 15 yr old go to school to kill a teacher.
That does happen. Bullying by staff is despicable, the absolute lowest. Aome of these kids are so fragile and have had such a sWhen I was at high school in the mid 90's there was a guy in my class called David. He was a bit of a weirdo tbh, very few friends, little ability to 'chat' with other kids and to top it off, he had long hair. Nothing wrong with long hair but back then he was one of only a couple in the school with long hair so stood out.
He was tormented by a lot of kids, just the run of the mill bullying that went on at high school. Nothing serious I must stress, never beat up or anything.
The thing that still makes me think back to that guy was the fact that some of the teachers were worse than the kids! I swear some of the teachers enjoyed picking on him.
Our English teacher really took it upon herself to give him a really hard time, just silly things like pick him up on his accent or how he'd word things. In all honesty, he was no different to any of the other kids in the class.
Anyway, he was at the front of the class doing a 'talk' on a subject he had chose (i remember clearly it was mushrooms and funghi). She took him apart, left him standing at the front of the class, with a lot of folk in the class just laughing at him, with nowhere to go.
I remember thinking that day (and still to this day) that I wouldn't have been surprised if he 'lost it' and attacked her,..It would've been ridiculous to think he would've tried to kill her, but the systematic bullying he suffered from teachers was enough to make me think he could easily 'snap'
I'm not saying that's the case here, but if am interested to find out what made a 15 yr old go to school to kill a teacher.
t time they look to us for a safe place to make mistakes, a crucial part of learning. It is absolutely a core part of our job to give them that environment.Johnnytheboy said:
anonymous said:
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This sounds more likely to me.Unless he was majorly, majorly dim, a non-insane teenager would know that they weren't going to get away with it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10794...
It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.
Poor kid, never stood a chance.
It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.
Poor kid, never stood a chance.
Boris Morris said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10794...
It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.
Poor kid, never stood a chance.
The kid never stood a chance? If you read the story you'll notice he was the one with the knife, not the 61 year old woman.It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.
Poor kid, never stood a chance.
Boris Morris said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10794...
It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.
Poor kid, never stood a chance.
No, it just shows the neighbours didn't know them & his FB page is locked down to the max settings.It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.
Poor kid, never stood a chance.
He's a well educated lad, with a girlfriend, one of the quiet ones, not a party goer, the 'swot' type. He didn't do well in Spanish which she taught, which is interesting, but who knows wtf went on
Fittster said:
The kid never stood a chance? If you read the story you'll notice he was the one with the knife, not the 61 year old woman.
He is as much a victim (of the in-your-face, Americanised, all singing, all dancing extroverted society we have regrettably become in the last 30 years, that values 'entertainment factor' over ability and feels intimidated by deep thinkers, labeling them weird and gay and future paedophiles) as she was.Family breakdown is another big problem faced by today's young people. Self-absorbed parents splitting up and letting new men/women into their lives. How can that be good for a teenager's mental well-being?
People will blame everything but themselves, as usual. Maybe it was computer games. Maybe he was born evil. If only the school had metal detectors, this could never have happened. etc.
Edited by Boris Morris on Tuesday 29th April 09:00
SuperDude said:
anonymous said:
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This this this.Answer: Zero.
Number of school days in the same period: thousands.
Last teacher stabbed to death at school: Philip Lawrence, 1995.
Boris Morris said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10794...
It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.
Poor kid, never stood a chance.
Thousands of children are similar yet do not murder people, he chose to. Blaming society is not the answer, he is responsible for his actions.It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.
Poor kid, never stood a chance.
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