Teacher Stabbed to Death
Discussion
Boris Morris said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10794...
It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.
Poor kid, never stood a chance.
As the one with a knife I'd say he stood a very good chance in a fight against a 61 year old woman.It sounds like the pupil was an introvert and came from a broken family of introverts.
Poor kid, never stood a chance.
Foppo said:
Are you right Boris Moris? Poor Kid? The teacher never stood a change.Plenty of kids have poor upbringings or parents who are divorced or don't get on.He stabbed her over and over accordind to the reports.He is a coward to boot attacking a woman.No excuses.
You're missing the point by such a gulf I'm embarrassed on your behalf.If you keep a pet, you should know the animal is never to blame. Always you. You create the environment for the animal to live, and if something goes wrong, it's the enviroment YOU created to blame. Not the animal.
Whatever the mental state of the boy in question, the rules of nature / nurture dictate that this boy didnt have the support he needed. And he stabbed an innocent woman to death because the environment he grew up in failed him.
Some people are, simply, broken. Physical or chemical deformations in the brain leave them unable to function as healthy, social human beings. It's the way of the world - we're not all born equal. To prevent such and awful thing happening again do we A; brand him a coward and hope he learns some respect? or B; learn from what happened and improve diagnosis and treatment of mental illness to help people like this boy in the future?
Because A's pretty much akin to asking a pet mouse to not s
t itself after you let it run around your house. SuperDude said:
Foppo said:
Are you right Boris Moris? Poor Kid? The teacher never stood a change.Plenty of kids have poor upbringings or parents who are divorced or don't get on.He stabbed her over and over accordind to the reports.He is a coward to boot attacking a woman.No excuses.
You're missing the point by such a gulf I'm embarrassed on your behalf.If you keep a pet, you should know the animal is never to blame. Always you. You create the environment for the animal to live, and if something goes wrong, it's the enviroment YOU created to blame. Not the animal.
Whatever the mental state of the boy in question, the rules of nature / nurture dictate that this boy didnt have the support he needed. And he stabbed an innocent woman to death because the environment he grew up in failed him.
Some people are, simply, broken. Physical or chemical deformations in the brain leave them unable to function as healthy, social human beings. It's the way of the world - we're not all born equal. To prevent such and awful thing happening again do we A; brand him a coward and hope he learns some respect? or B; learn from what happened and improve diagnosis and treatment of mental illness to help people like this boy in the future?
Because A's pretty much akin to asking a pet mouse to not s
t itself after you let it run around your house. SuperDude said:
You're missing the point by such a gulf I'm embarrassed on your behalf.
If you keep a pet, you should know the animal is never to blame. Always you. You create the environment for the animal to live, and if something goes wrong, it's the enviroment YOU created to blame. Not the animal.
(etc..........)
So it's the teacher's fault & the kid is blameless? Really?If you keep a pet, you should know the animal is never to blame. Always you. You create the environment for the animal to live, and if something goes wrong, it's the enviroment YOU created to blame. Not the animal.
(etc..........)
Justin Cyder said:
Absolutely. Quite why the end of days brigade never stop for a moment to consider how many teachers have been stabbed to death in the classroom in the say, the past twenty years before declaring the country over & done with is a mystery to me.
Answer: Zero.
Number of school days in the same period: thousands.
Last teacher stabbed to death at school: Philip Lawrence, 1995.
I do wonder about these statistics.Answer: Zero.
Number of school days in the same period: thousands.
Last teacher stabbed to death at school: Philip Lawrence, 1995.
It seems that the ambulance crew called the police, not the school. Perhaps the school were hoping to let the Bishop deal with the boy and whisk him away to a quiet retreat to think about things.....
I was at a fairly rough school in Dundee in the 70's. A teacher was stabbed when I was in 4th year. I remember it well. The culprit was a nasty, scary piece of work. He was expelled and it was kept so quiet that even the local paper never heard about it. A year later a teacher was stabbed at another school in the city (a supposedly 'good Academy'). That never reached the papers either, in case they lost their 'good' name. Fortunately, neither of these teachers died, though both were critically injured.
I suspect it has happened many times in the past. Thankfully, it is far more difficult to hide things now.
IroningMan said:
SuperDude said:
Foppo said:
Are you right Boris Moris? Poor Kid? The teacher never stood a change.Plenty of kids have poor upbringings or parents who are divorced or don't get on.He stabbed her over and over accordind to the reports.He is a coward to boot attacking a woman.No excuses.
You're missing the point by such a gulf I'm embarrassed on your behalf.If you keep a pet, you should know the animal is never to blame. Always you. You create the environment for the animal to live, and if something goes wrong, it's the enviroment YOU created to blame. Not the animal.
Whatever the mental state of the boy in question, the rules of nature / nurture dictate that this boy didnt have the support he needed. And he stabbed an innocent woman to death because the environment he grew up in failed him.
Some people are, simply, broken. Physical or chemical deformations in the brain leave them unable to function as healthy, social human beings. It's the way of the world - we're not all born equal. To prevent such and awful thing happening again do we A; brand him a coward and hope he learns some respect? or B; learn from what happened and improve diagnosis and treatment of mental illness to help people like this boy in the future?
Because A's pretty much akin to asking a pet mouse to not s
t itself after you let it run around your house. And next to "teach these kids some respect" or "kids just arent the same these days"???
Rovinghawk said:
SuperDude said:
You're missing the point by such a gulf I'm embarrassed on your behalf.
If you keep a pet, you should know the animal is never to blame. Always you. You create the environment for the animal to live, and if something goes wrong, it's the enviroment YOU created to blame. Not the animal.
(etc..........)
So it's the teacher's fault & the kid is blameless? Really?If you keep a pet, you should know the animal is never to blame. Always you. You create the environment for the animal to live, and if something goes wrong, it's the enviroment YOU created to blame. Not the animal.
(etc..........)
markiii said:
hmm so according to that article, he had no friends, didn't socialise, parents didn't socialise and liked music and computer games
sounds just like me at that age, not really sure why thats to blame.what's this obsession with everyone needing to be an extrovert these days
Don't forget he had long hair and liked heavy metal music. sounds just like me at that age, not really sure why thats to blame.what's this obsession with everyone needing to be an extrovert these days
I can tell you that there were no signs that this lad was the type to attack a teacher. He was your normal student.
The school certainly has its fair share of difficult students. He wasn't one of them.
I must be on some kind of list, then. I've played violent games for the last 30 years. Ok, so Commando doesn't cut it but there's nothing like sneaking up on someone lying prone on BF3, flipping them over and sticking a knife in their chest. http://youtu.be/F5wAH_Gz77E?t=7m28s
MonkeyBusiness said:
markiii said:
hmm so according to that article, he had no friends, didn't socialise, parents didn't socialise and liked music and computer games
sounds just like me at that age, not really sure why thats to blame.what's this obsession with everyone needing to be an extrovert these days
Don't forget he had long hair and liked heavy metal music. sounds just like me at that age, not really sure why thats to blame.what's this obsession with everyone needing to be an extrovert these days
I can tell you that there were no signs that this lad was the type to attack a teacher. He was your normal student.
The school certainly has its fair share of difficult students. He wasn't one of them.
Hoofy said:
I must be on some kind of list, then. I've played violent games for the last 30 years. Ok, so Commando doesn't cut it but there's nothing like sneaking up on someone lying prone on BF3, flipping them over and sticking a knife in their chest. http://youtu.be/F5wAH_Gz77E?t=7m28s
You don't think this is a bit inappropriate? I'm sure your prowess on your game of choice is legend, but in the real world there is a woman who appears to have been a very decent and inspirational person with her life cut tragically short, and I don't find that a subject for humour. Guam said:
The linking to video games has already started 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615694/Lo...
Didn't take long for that sterotype to emerge. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2615694/Lo...
Magog said:
Lost soul said:
This country is really going down the stter
They were saying that 20 years ago when Phillip Lawrence was killed.tter TheSnitch said:
Hoofy said:
I must be on some kind of list, then. I've played violent games for the last 30 years. Ok, so Commando doesn't cut it but there's nothing like sneaking up on someone lying prone on BF3, flipping them over and sticking a knife in their chest. http://youtu.be/F5wAH_Gz77E?t=7m28s
You don't think this is a bit inappropriate? I'm sure your prowess on your game of choice is legend, but in the real world there is a woman who appears to have been a very decent and inspirational person with her life cut tragically short, and I don't find that a subject for humour. Whenever these sort of incidents happen, the usual platitudes get handed out "he was a good kid etc." but in these aetheist times I wonder if people have forgotten what a 'good person' is. I don't think ignoring someone who says "Hello" to you is good. Or minding your own business - is it okay to walk past someone who needs your help? Just passing exams or turning up for school does not make you a good person. A good person does not stab a 61 year old teacher to death.
What this case will come down to is some kid who's just not quite right. I suspect you can debate Morals, abrogation of religious dictates, video games, Ed Miliband & Katie Price until you're blue in the face, but in the end, it will turn out that this boy is one of those one in a hundred thousand who is simply a bit fked in the head, over the far end of the psychopathic scale & it will be that simple.
Some people just aren't wired up right, most of them manage to keep or have others to keep a lid on the worst excesses of their characters, once in a while, one goes off & we see an end result like this. Sad, but nonetheless, a fact of life.
ked in the head, over the far end of the psychopathic scale & it will be that simple.Some people just aren't wired up right, most of them manage to keep or have others to keep a lid on the worst excesses of their characters, once in a while, one goes off & we see an end result like this. Sad, but nonetheless, a fact of life.
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