Missing Dossier ! ?

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MartG

20,702 posts

205 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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MarshPhantom said:
Can understand that a small percentage of all documents go missing but if 100% of docs on paedo MPs go missing that is more than a bit odd.
They seem to be very good at losing documents that may embarrass or incriminate the government/politicians but somehow don't manage to lose many relating to, for example, how much tax 'normal' people owe

Jasandjules

69,969 posts

230 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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MartG said:
They seem to be very good at losing documents that may embarrass or incriminate the government/politicians but somehow don't manage to lose many relating to, for example, how much tax 'normal' people owe
Some pigs are more equal than others.

Just shows the utter contempt they hold the public in. Pitchfork sales must be on the up.

number 46

1,019 posts

249 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Pesty said:
Wonder if this bloke was in the missing files. Seems more files are being made yet he may not face a judge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2688160/La...
I wonder who this is then????? Do we know what the hobby was????

FiF

44,200 posts

252 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Not difficult to find out there.

Yazar

1,476 posts

121 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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number 46 said:
I wonder who this is then????? Do we know what the hobby was????
A quick Twitter/blog search makes allegations which could be made up so treat as highly suspect:
https://twitter.com/TradBritGroup
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2014/07/10/lord...

No idea if it is him or not as Twitter is just anyone posting, but a google of this name shows he is part of the ongoing enquiry and had his office raided:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2665005/Po...

He is labour, in his 80's and has a hobby that would interest kids as quote "is a member of the Magic Circle and the International Brotherhood of Magicians". Mirror article here states that magic was involved: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-peer-e...

http://www.grevillejanner.org.uk/biography.html

Again, before his lawyers get in touch, let me state this is just a quick google and there must be multiple peers in their 80's who are labour and may also do magic.



Update: It can't be him, as he wrote against forgiveness or leniency for age/ill health.

lord said:
There were some who felt a pang of pity for John Demjanjuk yesterday, after he was found guilty for crimes committed during the Holocaust. He is, after all, now a very old man. Ill health restricted him to his wheelchair throughout his trial, as he sat silently behind dark glasses. At times it felt hard to connect this frail figure before a Munich court with the heinous crimes that were being detailed.

But we should waste no misplaced sympathy on a man who spent so many of the final years of his long life evading justice; we should instead save our sympathy for the 28,060 innocent men, women and children, robbed of their years by Demjanjuk and by his murdering cohorts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8512103/Nazi-criminal-John-Demjanjuk-deserves-no-sympathy.html

Edited by Yazar on Friday 11th July 13:22

9mm

3,128 posts

211 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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I think the eventual outcome will be to say it went on but the perpetrators are all dead/about to die. Maybe a token scapegoat, ideally from the entertainment world. Depressing.

Tirus

1,542 posts

121 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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They track down ageing Nazi criminals & they go to prison etc so why not ALL of these cretins regardless of age ,health etc?

MartG

20,702 posts

205 months

Friday 11th July 2014
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Tirus said:
They track down ageing Nazi criminals & they go to prison etc so why not ALL of these cretins regardless of age ,health etc?
Because in this case the people in charge of the tracking down and punishment are the guilty ones

number 46

1,019 posts

249 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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I had forgotten about Janner, always thought he was full of st and a wrongen, interesting that the Mirror states that the Pie funding was at the request if special branch????? curiouser and curiouser??

Los Endos

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309 posts

140 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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MrCarPark

528 posts

142 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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Los Endos said:
Blimey. No wonder Cameron gives that curious-but-knowing expression when someone asks him about it.

Los Endos

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309 posts

140 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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Names are named for the first time in 'mainstream' media !
Cameron, Clegg and Milliband have an inherited a right mess here, I almost feel sorry for them because let's be clear this is just not a Tory problem.....
When this has finished, it will make MP's expenses and phone hacking look like a tea party ! !

Must go.... Daily Politics in 2 mins, should be interesting

El Guapo

2,787 posts

191 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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Butler-Sloss cannot lead the enquiry now, surely. I think they have to bring in an outsider, by which I mean someone from outside the UK.

MrCarPark

528 posts

142 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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El Guapo said:
Butler-Sloss cannot lead the enquiry now, surely. I think they have to bring in an outsider, by which I mean someone from outside the UK.
Butler-Sloss has stepped down.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

138 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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MrCarPark said:
El Guapo said:
Butler-Sloss cannot lead the enquiry now, surely. I think they have to bring in an outsider, by which I mean someone from outside the UK.
Butler-Sloss has stepped down.[/quote

Finally, I had feared it wouldn't happen.

Derek Smith

45,773 posts

249 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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I've got a high regard for Butler-Sloss. Now there is a stain not only on her brother but on her as well. One will always wonder if she knew all the time and accepted the post for her own reasons.

Sleaze upon sleaze upon sleaze.

But let's not just blame MPs. Others knew and either cooperated or turned a blind eye - which is, of course, cooperating.

The press must have known. The police must have known. The civil service must have known. We in turn must know why the bosses of the three, as well of those of the MPs, did nothing.


MartG

20,702 posts

205 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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Los Endos

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309 posts

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Monday 14th July 2014
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Derek Smith said:
I've got a high regard for Butler-Sloss. Now there is a stain not only on her brother but on her as well. One will always wonder if she knew all the time and accepted the post for her own reasons.

Sleaze upon sleaze upon sleaze.

But let's not just blame MPs. Others knew and either cooperated or turned a blind eye - which is, of course, cooperating.

The press must have known. The police must have known. The civil service must have known. We in turn must know why the bosses of the three, as well of those of the MPs, did nothing.
Building on this point, I thought that the IS job was to screen people in Govt to ensure they could not be subject to 'leverage' from foreign powers ?
Clearly I got this completely wrong !
Actually now I come to think about it, it was quite a ridicules thought, because 2 years ago we had the Minister of Defence who is a closet homosexual employing his younger lover as a 'consultant' to enrich himself. And today I heard Cameron was going to bring him back into Goverment !
Tis a strange world these people occupy....


Derek Smith

45,773 posts

249 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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Los Endos said:
Building on this point, I thought that the IS job was to screen people in Govt to ensure they could not be subject to 'leverage' from foreign powers ?
Clearly I got this completely wrong !
Actually now I come to think about it, it was quite a ridicules thought, because 2 years ago we had the Minister of Defence who is a closet homosexual employing his younger lover as a 'consultant' to enrich himself. And today I heard Cameron was going to bring him back into Goverment !
Tis a strange world these people occupy....
I would have thought that someone with something to hide is the perfect person for the intelligence services to recruit. What better way to ensure loyalty? They wouldn't want them being able to follow their consciences now, would they?

We have already hear how the whips used the 'indiscretions' (ie committing offences) to ensure compliance.

We've had Vaz on the TV this afternoon talking about morals and putting the right person into a position of authority. He, the one who used the bombing of an army recruitment centre to further his career. Who lobbied on behalf of rich mates of his, who told lies about a police woman. He is the person who, according to Filkin (should she chair this enquiry?), blocked her enquiry into multiple allegations against him of accepting 'donations', limiting his culpability to just a few. He's the one who . . . oh, so many.

He gave a speech which, in effect, supported the fatwa against Rushdie.

And there he is, criticising other for their choices.

Sorry about the rant. And I'm sorry about my next one, the next time I see him on TV.

El Guapo

2,787 posts

191 months

Monday 14th July 2014
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Derek Smith said:
Sorry about the rant. And I'm sorry about my next one, the next time I see him on TV.
Who knows when that might be? We know how much Keith Vaz hates being on the telly.