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TheRealFingers99 said:
Whose terrorism? The terrorism of Hamas which I condemn, or the terrorism of Israel, which you don't acknowledge?
I am amazed that this discussion is still continuing.It is obvious that over the past 60 years serious mistakes have been made,and are still being made, on both sides,opportunities to find a reasonable settlement missed.
What purpose is served by a few posters going over the same old ground ?
The two main posters have different points of view,so that's it ,agree to disagree and move on.
avinalarf said:
I am amazed that this discussion is still continuing.
It is obvious that over the past 60 years serious mistakes have been made,and are still being made, on both sides,opportunities to find a reasonable settlement missed.
What purpose is served by a few posters going over the same old ground ?
The two main posters have different points of view,so that's it ,agree to disagree and move on.
What purpose is served? It is obvious that over the past 60 years serious mistakes have been made,and are still being made, on both sides,opportunities to find a reasonable settlement missed.
What purpose is served by a few posters going over the same old ground ?
The two main posters have different points of view,so that's it ,agree to disagree and move on.
Why sir, the immense fun of course! Also poor old Realfinger doesn't get out much so I consider this my social and civic duty to keep him entertained.
Grumfutock said:
avinalarf said:
I am amazed that this discussion is still continuing.
It is obvious that over the past 60 years serious mistakes have been made,and are still being made, on both sides,opportunities to find a reasonable settlement missed.
What purpose is served by a few posters going over the same old ground ?
The two main posters have different points of view,so that's it ,agree to disagree and move on.
What purpose is served? It is obvious that over the past 60 years serious mistakes have been made,and are still being made, on both sides,opportunities to find a reasonable settlement missed.
What purpose is served by a few posters going over the same old ground ?
The two main posters have different points of view,so that's it ,agree to disagree and move on.
Why sir, the immense fun of course! Also poor old Realfinger doesn't get out much so I consider this my social and civic duty to keep him entertained.
Ps - I would actually be relieved if you are bizarrely....
Grumfutock said:
What purpose is served?
Why sir, the immense fun of course! Also poor old Realfinger doesn't get out much so I consider this my social and civic duty to keep him entertained.
Grum, I have not posted on here for a while as I had nothing much to say, but you have dragged me back in now you are just trying to wind people up (again).Why sir, the immense fun of course! Also poor old Realfinger doesn't get out much so I consider this my social and civic duty to keep him entertained.
I thought you were losing the plot suggesting nuking the west bank, but I see it is just trolling.
Trolling? Really? Think what you want, if you haven't learnt anything yet please learn this. I do not care what you think of me. Really broad shoulders and a very thick skin.
Whilst my defence of Israel and her actions may not be popular please do not make the mistake of thinking that they are not my beliefs or that I do it for some sort of kick.
That said I expect nothing less from some on here how drift in and out with the sole purpose of relighting the fire and trying to score points. I actually have a lot more respect for Mr Finger, at least he has stayed the course, argued his case and been honest to his beliefs.
Whilst my defence of Israel and her actions may not be popular please do not make the mistake of thinking that they are not my beliefs or that I do it for some sort of kick.
That said I expect nothing less from some on here how drift in and out with the sole purpose of relighting the fire and trying to score points. I actually have a lot more respect for Mr Finger, at least he has stayed the course, argued his case and been honest to his beliefs.
zuby84 said:
I think the main issue here is that Grumfutock doesn't really know how to draw logical conclusions from parallels that he seems to be using which can get quite irritating as arguments which aren't based on sound logic can start to unravel and hence desperation kicks in. This leads to people comparing apples to oranges when it suits their argument and discounting the comparison of apples to apples when it doesn't suit them.
No, I am one of the only people on this thread pointing out that Hamas are not the font of all evil in the area. That maybe, JUST maybe, if Israel stop blowing up Palestinians, stop dropping bombs on them and stop stealing yet more Palestinian land then perhaps Hamas will respond. Continue the terrorism then why oh why would you be surprised if the evil Hamas terrorists fight back and build tunnels to try and fight back.
You see, Grumfutock's argument is really no more well thought out than "do X and Y may happen." I'm just surprised at how he's kept it up for so long. What I think will happen if Grumfutock's wishes came true:
^^ Great post Zuby! Grumfutock said:
No, I am one of the only people on this thread pointing out that Israel are not the font of all evil in the area. That maybe, JUST maybe, if terrorists stop blowing up Israeli's, stop firing rockets at them and stop tunnelling then perhaps Israel will respond. Continue the terrorism then why oh why would you be surprised if the evil Zionist bullies drop a bomb on your house.
Here's a mind exercise for Grumfutock:No, I am one of the only people on this thread pointing out that Hamas are not the font of all evil in the area. That maybe, JUST maybe, if Israel stop blowing up Palestinians, stop dropping bombs on them and stop stealing yet more Palestinian land then perhaps Hamas will respond. Continue the terrorism then why oh why would you be surprised if the evil Hamas terrorists fight back and build tunnels to try and fight back.
You see, Grumfutock's argument is really no more well thought out than "do X and Y may happen." I'm just surprised at how he's kept it up for so long. What I think will happen if Grumfutock's wishes came true:
Grumfutock said:
No, I am one of the only people on this thread pointing out that Israel are not the font of all evil in the area. That maybe, JUST maybe, if terrorists stop blowing up Israeli's, stop firing rockets at them and stop tunnelling then perhaps Israel will respond will continue to easily steal more land and further victimise the Palestinians without the eyes of the International community on them. Continue the terrorism then why oh why would you be surprised if the evil Zionist bullies drop a bomb on your house.
Grumfutock said:
I actually have a lot more respect for Mr Finger, at least he has stayed the course, argued his case and been honest to his beliefs.
LOL That is funny!Only because he counters your arguments with facts and makes you look like a idiot (not the first time though and yes you can call me troll for saying that)
Grumfutock said:
That said I expect nothing less from some on here how drift in and out with the sole purpose of relighting the fire and trying to score points. I actually have a lot more respect for Mr Finger, at least he has stayed the course, argued his case and been honest to his beliefs.
To be fair, I think people are just sick of your crass method of debate and how you rationalise things. Accusing people of being things they are not, lying, deflecting/ignoring valid questions/points and kicking and screaming when you don't get your way. Like I have said you have done a brilliant job of muddying the waters for everyone through your bullying argumentative style. It's not your views people can't stand; it's your debating style. Maybe a Politician's role is beckoning for you?Can't speak for everyone, but I stopped replying to this thread as I just knew you would accuse me of holding beliefs I don't have and you would just be recycling your same opinions over and over as if you have to get the last word in. I like debate which is a bit more "grown up" and evolves over time. Something which participating on this thread hasn't brought to the table for a long time.
zuby84 said:
To be fair, I think people are just sick of your crass method of debate and how you rationalise things. Accusing people of being things they are not, lying, deflecting/ignoring valid questions/points and kicking and screaming when you don't get your way. Like I have said you have done a brilliant job of muddying the waters for everyone through your bullying argumentative style. It's not your views people can't stand; it's your debating style. Maybe a Politician's role is beckoning for you?
Can't speak for everyone, but I stopped replying to this thread as I just knew you would accuse me of holding beliefs I don't have and you would just be recycling your same opinions over and over as if you have to get the last word in. I like debate which is a bit more "grown up" and evolves over time. Something which participating on this thread hasn't brought to the table for a long time.
I Agree.Can't speak for everyone, but I stopped replying to this thread as I just knew you would accuse me of holding beliefs I don't have and you would just be recycling your same opinions over and over as if you have to get the last word in. I like debate which is a bit more "grown up" and evolves over time. Something which participating on this thread hasn't brought to the table for a long time.
I read the first chapter of a book which says this is the only route Israel have. I.e. That they will continue to argue and debate whilst stealing land and killing civilians until which time they are accepted. Believing they are correct.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Mrr T said:
What's this:
As I say, watch the film. Make up your own mind. I use it (as I've said repeatedly) only as an example of why (and how) history must adapt to new revelations.
For Ahron Jay Cristol see here. Seems the man is both an ardent Zionist and a charlatan.
So lets be clear you claimed there was new evidence Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty based on a faked recording in a film. You now want me to watch the film!!Mrr T said:
So now you say a film includes a voice recording of the attach.
Eh? Have I ever said anything else? As I say, watch the film. Make up your own mind. I use it (as I've said repeatedly) only as an example of why (and how) history must adapt to new revelations.
For Ahron Jay Cristol see here. Seems the man is both an ardent Zionist and a charlatan.
Why do I want to watch a movie with a faked recording.
Can I suggest you stop relying on faked recording for evidence and look at the real evidence on the attack.
As for Jay Cristol does it matter what he is. All he did was file the FOI request with the NSA for recording related to the attach. The transcript then released by the NSA in 2003 is public record and shows at the time of the recording there was NO identification.
zuby84 said:
To be fair, I think people are just sick of your crass method of debate and how you rationalise things. Accusing people of being things they are not, lying, deflecting/ignoring valid questions/points and kicking and screaming when you don't get your way. Like I have said you have done a brilliant job of muddying the waters for everyone through your bullying argumentative style. It's not your views people can't stand; it's your debating style. Maybe a Politician's role is beckoning for you?
Can't speak for everyone, but I stopped replying to this thread as I just knew you would accuse me of holding beliefs I don't have and you would just be recycling your same opinions over and over as if you have to get the last word in. I like debate which is a bit more "grown up" and evolves over time. Something which participating on this thread hasn't brought to the table for a long time.
And yet you are still posting???? As I said, some sad people like to drift in every now and again to reignite the fire and watch the flames.Can't speak for everyone, but I stopped replying to this thread as I just knew you would accuse me of holding beliefs I don't have and you would just be recycling your same opinions over and over as if you have to get the last word in. I like debate which is a bit more "grown up" and evolves over time. Something which participating on this thread hasn't brought to the table for a long time.
Oh and lying???? Bullying????? Out of interest how the hell do you bully on here????
SR7492 said:
LOL That is funny!
Only because he counters your arguments with facts and makes you look like a idiot (not the first time though and yes you can call me troll for saying that)
Your opinion. But then again some idiots believe in god, thought the earth was flat and that bacon is dirty so I don't put to much into opinions. Only because he counters your arguments with facts and makes you look like a idiot (not the first time though and yes you can call me troll for saying that)
Oh and no, it wasn't funny. Jimmy Carr is funny.
hey aren't terrorists are they! Of course they want peace!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-299117...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-299117...
Mrr T said:
So lets be clear you claimed there was new evidence Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty based on a faked recording in a film. You now want me to watch the film!!
Why do I want to watch a movie with a faked recording.
Can I suggest you stop relying on faked recording for evidence and look at the real evidence on the attack.
As for Jay Cristol does it matter what he is. All he did was file the FOI request with the NSA for recording related to the attach. The transcript then released by the NSA in 2003 is public record and shows at the time of the recording there was NO identification.
AFAIK Jay Cristol has nothing to do with the film. Why do I want to watch a movie with a faked recording.
Can I suggest you stop relying on faked recording for evidence and look at the real evidence on the attack.
As for Jay Cristol does it matter what he is. All he did was file the FOI request with the NSA for recording related to the attach. The transcript then released by the NSA in 2003 is public record and shows at the time of the recording there was NO identification.
Let me put it bluntly for you:
1. The film is either fake or not. I have absolutely no way of being 100% certain.
2. I use, and this is the third time I've said it, the film as an example. Nothing more.
3. If you can point me to the transcript, I'll happily look at it.
Grumfutock said:
hey aren't terrorists are they! Of course they want peace!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-299117...
Israel doesn't target civilians, do they?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-299117...
http://news.sky.com/story/1366857/israel-flouted-t...
SR7492 said:
No they don't and that isn't what the report say's now does it!!The report doesn't say that Israel targeted civilians, it say's that they didn't take enough care to avoid civilian casualties. HUGE DIFFERENCE!!! Or perhaps you think that car was just out of control because the terrorist was sending a text message???
I would also point out that if Hams didn't fire rockets from and hide amongst civilians then this wont happen.
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