Israeli

[JawKnee]

loafer123 said:

I feel that we are seeing a new dose of realism in politics, hence I started the "Backlash" thread yesterday.

Two examples today are;

Israel finding out that they cannot depend upon the support of the US if they take it for granted and don't listen to the moral objections of their friends,

This is one "backlash" I can support but too little too late from Obama. Unfortunately, it won't last long as Trump is now going to punish the UN for daring to call out the illegal settlements. I can't see the US-Israel relationship changing an awful lot while Trump is in charge.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.breitbart.com/big...

[Jimbeaux]

JawKnee said:

loafer123 said:

I feel that we are seeing a new dose of realism in politics, hence I started the "Backlash" thread yesterday.

Two examples today are;

Israel finding out that they cannot depend upon the support of the US if they take it for granted and don't listen to the moral objections of their friends,

This is one "backlash" I can support but too little too late from Obama. Unfortunately, it won't last long as Trump is now going to punish the UN for daring to call out the illegal settlements. I can't see the US-Israel relationship changing an awful lot while Trump is in charge.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.breitbart.com/big...

Why are they illegal ? That is land they won in war they did not start. Lessons for the Arab nations; don't attack, lose, then want your land back. What Obama just did was a cowardly betrayal. He has been kissing the ass of nations where groups like Hamas hold sway while slapping the face of our only friend in the ME and the only freely elected democracy. Backstabbing coward.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 24th December 03:06

[Jimbeaux]

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". Those are the people that were betrayed and left trapped in lands the "brother nations" lost after five of them attacked Israel and were defeated. Those "brother nations" could have easily, years ago, absorbed those people into their nations. Two reasons they have not. First, they don't really give a damn about them. Secondly, they are happy keeping them right where they are as they serve as an excuse to continue acting out. These nations' leadership not want a two state solution; the only thing that will make them happy is Israel ceasing to exist.

[Jimbeaux]

The U.S. Pays more to the U.N. Than 185 countries combined. I say let that bill get spread out. That is some valuable real estate the U.N. Sits on. Maybe we can find better uses for that plot.

[968]

Jimbeaux said:

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". Those are the people that were betrayed and left trapped in lands the "brother nations" lost after five of them attacked Israel and were defeated. Those "brother nations" could have easily, years ago, absorbed those people into their nations. Two reasons they have not. First, they don't really give a damn about them. Secondly, they are happy keeping them right where they are as they serve as an excuse to continue acting out. These nations' leadership not want a two state solution; the only thing that will make them happy is Israel ceasing to exist.

Of course not a single part of that statement is true as you well know but perpetuate the lies as your alt right neonazis that you voted for will undoubtedly do.

[Biker 1]

Jimbeaux said:

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". Those are the people that were betrayed and left trapped in lands the "brother nations" lost after five of them attacked Israel and were defeated. Those "brother nations" could have easily, years ago, absorbed those people into their nations. Two reasons they have not. First, they don't really give a damn about them. Secondly, they are happy keeping them right where they are as they serve as an excuse to continue acting out. These nations' leadership not want a two state solution; the only thing that will make them happy is Israel ceasing to exist.

Yep, ain't that the truth.

Anyway, this US vote is simply Obama's parting shot; there was zero chemistry between him & Netanyahu. Trump will be a very different ally than Obama. The Iran nuclear agreement may well be scuppered, as Israel sees a nuclear armed Iran as an existential threat to its very existence, whether a state of 'palestine' is created or not. 'The Final solution' is burn deep into the collective Israeli memory; destruction from nuclear war is a very real threat. Imagine the kudos Iran (or any other state) would receive for pulling that one off?

[JawKnee]

Jimbeaux said:

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". Those are the people that were betrayed and left trapped in lands the "brother nations" lost after five of them attacked Israel and were defeated. Those "brother nations" could have easily, years ago, absorbed those people into their nations. Two reasons they have not. First, they don't really give a damn about them. Secondly, they are happy keeping them right where they are as they serve as an excuse to continue acting out. These nations' leadership not want a two state solution; the only thing that will make them happy is Israel ceasing to exist.

Christ. And I thought I chatted the most st on this forum.

[Smiler.]

JawKnee said:

Christ. And I thought I chatted the most st on this forum.

You're not alone, everyone else that thinks that of you too.

[irocfan]

Jimbeaux said:

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". Those are the people that were betrayed and left trapped in lands the "brother nations" lost after five of them attacked Israel and were defeated. Those "brother nations" could have easily, years ago, absorbed those people into their nations. Two reasons they have not. First, they don't really give a damn about them. Secondly, they are happy keeping them right where they are as they serve as an excuse to continue acting out. These nations' leadership not want a two state solution; the only thing that will make them happy is Israel ceasing to exist.

mostly on the money there.

That's not to say that Israel doesn't behave badly at times but land gained in war seems to be fair game (most of Eastern Europe, Falklands, Texas, New Zealand as examples?)

[Funkycoldribena]

loafer123 said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Leroy902 said:

Good. Israel seem to think they can go by their own rules, it's about time something is done.
They're quick to play the sympathy card when it suits them, but then think it's ok to behave the way they are.

Do you condemn Hamas?

What relevance does that have?

It is questions like that which have kept the Middle East in conflict for decades.

I titled my thread last night as Backlash, but I think Realism would have been more apt.

I'd say the organisation that wishes the destruction of Israel is quite relevant.
It wouldn't matter if Israel moved to a pontoon in the sea,it would still have rockets fired at it.

[loafer123]

Funkycoldribena said:

loafer123 said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Leroy902 said:

Good. Israel seem to think they can go by their own rules, it's about time something is done.
They're quick to play the sympathy card when it suits them, but then think it's ok to behave the way they are.

Do you condemn Hamas?

What relevance does that have?

It is questions like that which have kept the Middle East in conflict for decades.

I titled my thread last night as Backlash, but I think Realism would have been more apt.

I'd say the organisation that wishes the destruction of Israel is quite relevant.
It wouldn't matter if Israel moved to a pontoon in the sea,it would still have rockets fired at it.

Well if it makes you feel better I condemn Hamas.

I also agree with his post.

[combiharvey]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/24/isra...

not sure if this has been brought up yet?

[BlackLabel]

Every US president since 1967 has opposed settlement expansion in the West Bank - not that it has mattered much as the Israelis have gone ahead and built them anyway.

Kind of ironic that Israel has just cancelled all aid to Senegal (because they voted for the resolution) given that Israel itself is a recipient of huge levels of aid from the United States. Obama just signed off on one of the biggest military aid packages ever to Israel - perhaps the latter should be a bit more grateful for that.

Edited by BlackLabel on Saturday 24th December 12:46

[combiharvey]

BlackLabel said:

Every US president since 1967 has opposed settlement expansion in the West Bank.

true, but there is an extremely powerful lobby group in the US which is pro Israel in every sense.

what is Trumps position on Israel? or hasn't he made that up yet?

[Funkycoldribena]

combiharvey said:

true, but there is an extremely powerful lobby group in the US which is pro Israel in every sense.

what is Trumps position on Israel? or hasn't he made that up yet?

I'd say your own link above answers that.

[Jimbeaux]

968 said:

Jimbeaux said:

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". Those are the people that were betrayed and left trapped in lands the "brother nations" lost after five of them attacked Israel and were defeated. Those "brother nations" could have easily, years ago, absorbed those people into their nations. Two reasons they have not. First, they don't really give a damn about them. Secondly, they are happy keeping them right where they are as they serve as an excuse to continue acting out. These nations' leadership not want a two state solution; the only thing that will make them happy is Israel ceasing to exist.

Of course not a single part of that statement is true as you well know but perpetuate the lies as your alt right neonazis that you voted for will undoubtedly do.

I believe it is true. Go lay back down with your stale lies.

[Jimbeaux]

JawKnee said:

Jimbeaux said:

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". Those are the people that were betrayed and left trapped in lands the "brother nations" lost after five of them attacked Israel and were defeated. Those "brother nations" could have easily, years ago, absorbed those people into their nations. Two reasons they have not. First, they don't really give a damn about them. Secondly, they are happy keeping them right where they are as they serve as an excuse to continue acting out. These nations' leadership not want a two state solution; the only thing that will make them happy is Israel ceasing to exist.

Christ. And I thought I chatted the most st on this forum.

Worry not, you do.

[Muntu]

Jimbeaux said:

JawKnee said:

Jimbeaux said:

There is no such thing as a "Palestinian". Those are the people that were betrayed and left trapped in lands the "brother nations" lost after five of them attacked Israel and were defeated. Those "brother nations" could have easily, years ago, absorbed those people into their nations. Two reasons they have not. First, they don't really give a damn about them. Secondly, they are happy keeping them right where they are as they serve as an excuse to continue acting out. These nations' leadership not want a two state solution; the only thing that will make them happy is Israel ceasing to exist.

Christ. And I thought I chatted the most st on this forum.

Worry not, you do.

[combiharvey]

Funkycoldribena said:

I'd say your own link above answers that.

no it doesn't, it says that he has appointed a a " far-right pro-settler"

my question was what was Trump's position?

ps love you funky xx

Edited by combiharvey on Saturday 24th December 13:27

Edited by combiharvey on Saturday 24th December 13:59

[psgcarey]

Jimbeaux said:

I believe it is true. Go lay back down with your stale lies.

Does this mean that you believe that, prior to 1949, the bit of land that is now Israel was a conveniently empty tract of land just waiting for humans to arrive?